[QCLUG] novell and microsoft agreements good or bad
Noah J Norris
preludelinux@mchsi.com
Sat, 11 Nov 2006 12:44:05 -0600
interesting , yet i dont think open source moment will buy into using a
microsoft linux because everything they add will be closed im sure are made
in a way that a year down the road they will make us pay for it. plus
microsoft has no trust in the open source market we know the smoke and
mirrors tricks the buyouts of compation. there is concern that novell might
be in violation of the gpl for even having this aggreement. interesting point
pc makers are complaining that vista is going to cost to much and yet raise
prices for pc's being that no one will want the home version because its
striped down.
In the end novell might regret doing this they could get dumped and even
forked sence they made suse linux open with opensuse . or i can see opensuse
disconecting from novell/suse alltogether
In my gut i get a bad feeling of dajuvu . didnt microsoft do something
simulure with sco , didnt microsoft buy licness to use linux ..... and buying
something now from novell . ( novell does own the unix ip rights .....) could
a patent war start because of this , could microsoft try to buy novell and
try a sco as a last effert to kill open source . buy just making this
aggreement are they circumventing the gpl? hmmm embrace extend and extengish
remeber what happened to any company that partnered with microsoft
ibm with os2 ....
many companies that got bought out or destoried
microsoft and trust (two words in a sentecne that dont make sence ) how much
trust honestly does microsoft have? with the open source community ? (-100%)
one last note if microsoft wants to be nice to opensource it dont have to buy
anything or make any agreements with companies it would publicly open its
formats api ( dark secrets ... ) etc. Im thinking this could be just a ploy
to get lawsuits off microsofts back too plus microsoft looks good in the
press right before vista comes out .......
oh with the changes in govment offiice could microsoft get another anti-trust
suit going against it?
On Saturday 11 November 2006 08:56, John Brun wrote:
> Just an opinion:
>
> I believe Microsoft sees what is happening in the Linux community and
> understands that it either embraces it, or ultimately trails behind it.
> Servers, both business and web, are all starting to move towards a linux
> based platform. Slowly, as Linux grows, more and more home systems are
> converting. Office desktop systems are starting to slowly move towards
> linux also. Novell saw that an enterprise system was a money maker, and it
> seems to be, for them.
>
> When you're looking to launch Vista and once again charge people $100 -
> $200 for an operating system, that will be in the testing stages for the
> next two years, you can't overlook the draw linux is starting to have.
> Also, for microsoft, could they come up with a competing Enterprise edition
> of Linux and conqueror both markets....probably.
>
> All that aside the saying "keep your friends close, and your enemies
> closer" seems to also come into play. Having control over some of the
> linux market might also allow them to adjust windows to fight off the linux
> makers.
>
>
> John
>
> > > on other news redhat thinks there gona be the only big distro in a
> > > couple years ... wonder why
> > >
> > > whats microsoft real plan for doing this ??? leak ip/code to sue ???
> > > go after
> > > samba and mono projects ( guess suse works with mono alot ) ( mono =
> > > opensource .net implamtation ) i hate rabbit holes ....... does novall
> > > own the unix ip from sco suit ...... could this bring another sco type
> > > suit even fud another microsft funded law suit not directly connected
> > > .....
> > >
> > > yes i think any type of wedge would fail cause of linuxs growth but
> > > could this
> > > be also a way to port microsoft office to linux making sure nothings
> > > open source . i dont think theres a wedge to make the kernel closed
> > > source and all
> > > the gpl apps correct if so it would only be for microsofts interface
> > > maybe they will make a layer to run windows software fully on linux yet
> > > charge a full fee for it . maybe we could see window gui on top of
> > > linux kernel . i think alot of these will not happen maybe office they
> > > would make money ( perhapes they would charge for the copy of office
> > > plus the windows layer so like 300-600 ... lol ) .
> > >
> > > why is novall doing this , i mean how many times do they have to get it
> > > in the
> > > rear .... novall netwear anyone. we will have to wait and see what
> > > happens out of this .
> > >
> > > maybe theres no evil intent at all , but i can not even think this with
> > > microsofts track record .
> > >
> > > On Tuesday 07 November 2006 21:30, Jim Kristan wrote:
> > > > Here is John Dvorak's take on this, he has good in site, or good
> > > > sources in the past.
> > > > http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2052320,00.asp
> > > >
> > > > On 11/7/06, Leif Theden <leif.theden@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > ha. well i personally wont miss suse.
> > > > >
> > > > > On 11/7/06, McKnight, Lee <LMcKnight@bandag.com> wrote:
> > > > > > I agree with Noah - this can't be anything good for open
> > > > > > source/Linux. Especially the way that documents can be shared by
> > > > > > both environments (M$Office/OO), but what's that? The documents
> > > > > > won't be 100% sharable? That must mean M$Office documents can
> > > > > > share OO documents 100%, but OO can only share 90% of M$Office
> > > > > > document features? Gee, do you suppose that's because if they
> > > > > > were 100% sharable there would be no reason to purchase M$Office?
> > > > > > Naw, that can't be it, there must be a better argument than
> > > > > > that. Hmm, I wonder what that could be...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Have you ever seen a company that partnered with M$oft that
> > > > > > wasn't out of business in a few years?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mac....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org [mailto:qclug-bounces@qclug.org] On
> > > > > > Behalf Of Noah J Norris
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 7:23 AM
> > > > > > To: qclug@qclug.org
> > > > > > Subject: [QCLUG] novell and microsoft agreements good or bad
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've been reading more and more about microsoft and novell
> > > > > > working together .
> > > > > > Whats everyones take on this . from what i have read its not good
> > > > > > and can bring another sco type case against linux.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > link
> > > > > > http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/node/1851
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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