From roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com Thu Aug 23 22:39:09 2007 From: roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com (Roadkill the Avatar of Misfortune) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:39:09 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] *tap* *tap* *tap* *** FEEDBACK **** Message-ID: <200708231639.09909.roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com> Ahem... is this thing on??? Okay everyone first off, I'm really sorry for the length of time it has taken me to get this server back online. Things have been very crazy for me.. and a lot of things were up in the air. During the move, some hardware died on me that made it impossible for me to get everything back online as I would have liked. I had a lot of hard choices to make, and I'm very sorry for the inconvience this has caused... Hopefully we can no get back to our regullary scheduled lug'in rk From klown@revealed.net Thu Aug 23 22:56:52 2007 From: klown@revealed.net (Mark Riedesel) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:56:52 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] *tap* *tap* *tap* *** FEEDBACK **** In-Reply-To: <200708231639.09909.roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com> References: <200708231639.09909.roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com> Message-ID: <46CE02A4.2040903@revealed.net> tis workin' Roadkill the Avatar of Misfortune wrote: > Ahem... is this thing on??? > > > Okay everyone first off, I'm really sorry for the length of time it has taken > me to get this server back online. Things have been very crazy for me.. and > a lot of things were up in the air. > > During the move, some hardware died on me that made it impossible for me to > get everything back online as I would have liked. I had a lot of hard > choices to make, and I'm very sorry for the inconvience this has caused... > > Hopefully we can no get back to our regullary scheduled lug'in > > rk > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > From fatpuppystew@gmail.com Thu Aug 23 23:09:20 2007 From: fatpuppystew@gmail.com (Mike Robinson) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:09:20 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] *tap* *tap* *tap* *** FEEDBACK **** In-Reply-To: <46CE02A4.2040903@revealed.net> References: <200708231639.09909.roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com> <46CE02A4.2040903@revealed.net> Message-ID: <1187906960.3251.2.camel@home7> and there was much rejoicing. yeah... On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 16:56 -0500, Mark Riedesel wrote: > tis workin' > > Roadkill the Avatar of Misfortune wrote: > > Ahem... is this thing on??? > > > > > > Okay everyone first off, I'm really sorry for the length of time it has taken > > me to get this server back online. Things have been very crazy for me.. and > > a lot of things were up in the air. > > > > During the move, some hardware died on me that made it impossible for me to > > get everything back online as I would have liked. I had a lot of hard > > choices to make, and I'm very sorry for the inconvience this has caused... > > > > Hopefully we can no get back to our regullary scheduled lug'in > > > > rk > > _______________________________________________ > > QCLUG mailing list > > QCLUG@qclug.org > > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug From mrmagnum@mchsi.com Fri Aug 24 06:46:26 2007 From: mrmagnum@mchsi.com (Harley McClure) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 00:46:26 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] *tap* *tap* *tap* *** FEEDBACK **** In-Reply-To: <200708231639.09909.roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com> References: <200708231639.09909.roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com> Message-ID: <200708240046.26391.mrmagnum@mchsi.com> On Thursday 23 August 2007 04:39 pm, Roadkill the Avatar of Misfortune wrote: > Ahem... is this thing on??? > > > Okay everyone first off, I'm really sorry for the length of time it has > taken me to get this server back online. Things have been very crazy for > me.. and a lot of things were up in the air. > > During the move, some hardware died on me that made it impossible for me to > get everything back online as I would have liked. I had a lot of hard > choices to make, and I'm very sorry for the inconvience this has caused... > > Hopefully we can no get back to our regullary scheduled lug'in > > rk > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug All right! Crank it up to eleven and let's rock! Harley From volunteer.jim@gmail.com Sat Aug 25 03:04:45 2007 From: volunteer.jim@gmail.com (Jim Hall) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:04:45 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] *tap* *tap* *tap* *** FEEDBACK **** In-Reply-To: <200708231639.09909.roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com> References: <200708231639.09909.roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com> Message-ID: <997c8c1b0708241904j2601274bjce71b7e0f517e023@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment On 8/23/07, Roadkill the Avatar of Misfortune wrote: > > > Ahem... is this thing on??? > > > Okay everyone first off, I'm really sorry for the length of time it has > taken > me to get this server back online. Things have been very crazy for me.. > and > a lot of things were up in the air. > > During the move, some hardware died on me that made it impossible for me > to > get everything back online as I would have liked. I had a lot of hard > choices to make, and I'm very sorry for the inconvience this has caused... > > Hopefully we can no get back to our regullary scheduled lug'in > > rk > _______________________________________________ > > You and your efforts are always much appreciated. This list runs so smoothly that some may forget about the person that makes that happen. So, thank you, Steve. Jim ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/6df9a33f/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From preludelinux@gmail.com Sat Aug 25 15:28:14 2007 From: preludelinux@gmail.com (Noah Norris) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 09:28:14 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] servers back notebook woes Message-ID: <65dc1580708250728n5b58d448te4988772e3d48614@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Nice to see everyone back. im still waiting on my laptop i ordered from dell on 7/18 they seem to be having alot of problems now with getting parts for making the laptops there still trying to sell so if anyone is looking to buy a dell you might want to wait a lil bit. theres allot of unhappy customers not getting there laptops and by the sounds of things there backed up badly and still taking orders oh i got the magic est ship date of 8/28 like 1,000 of others ...... heres some links to direct2dells website where theres alot of unhappy customers read before buying a laptop or if you dont mind waiting to next year ..... http://direct2dell.com/one2one/archive/2007/08/03/23340.aspx http://direct2dell.com/one2one/archive/2007/08/17/24548.asp http://direct2dell.com/one2one/archive/2007/08/24/25755.aspx Im still selling my gateway laptop but not untill i get my vaporware 1720 ..... If i dont get my laptop i may just cancel my order soon too anyone have any recommendations on a new laptop I have been looking at lenovo hp gateway sony and even apple things im looking for are hard-drive space ( adding a future second drive would be nice ) 17" screen size 2gb-ram Nvidia video linux working wifi DVD-RW dual-core processor at least 2.0 ghz ( may have to have a dual-boot option with winxp and support vmware well under linux ) gateway has some nice tablet pc's with pen support but linux support for the pen looks like its in its beta stage The main problem with many companies getting a laptop is support for linux hardware wise theres always something that dont work and ati video cards are not even an option i will never go through that again. Anyone try intel x31000 video yet is it any good ? ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/53aac510/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From volunteer.jim@gmail.com Tue Aug 28 16:39:46 2007 From: volunteer.jim@gmail.com (Jim Hall) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:39:46 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Missing "Star"t in the lower left corner of the screen In-Reply-To: <989129.78322.qm@web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <989129.78322.qm@web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <997c8c1b0708280839q5433c850y52a6ee1d7f254eb0@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment On 4/2/07, RK wrote: > > I am just experimenting with Mandriva 2007 right now > and my son somehow has managed to make his Star icon > in the lower left corner (access to the programs menu) > disappear. How do I make this reappear, and also, how > did he accomplish this? Thank you in advance. > > Ron Knapper > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Did you ever get this solved? Jim ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/e799d983/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From preludelinux@gmail.com Tue Aug 28 21:22:02 2007 From: preludelinux@gmail.com (Noah Norris) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:22:02 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] buying laptop from dell Message-ID: <65dc1580708281322l6ceeff88w8183bfda4c69d94@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment well honestly i dont know if dell is gona be around for much longer at there going rate ive ordered a laptop on 7/18/2007 and still no laptop , ive read lots of stories of loads of people cancel orders i say this cause 10,000 people cancel there $1k-$3k orders thats gota hurt customer service total blows you lucky to get someone to speak scripted English .... at the present time i do not recommend anyone to buy them ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/834e2db7/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From klown@revealed.net Tue Aug 28 21:41:50 2007 From: klown@revealed.net (Mark Riedesel) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:41:50 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] buying laptop from dell In-Reply-To: <65dc1580708281322l6ceeff88w8183bfda4c69d94@mail.gmail.com> References: <65dc1580708281322l6ceeff88w8183bfda4c69d94@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46D4888E.30100@revealed.net> I'm very satisfied with my dell laptop I purchased about a year ago. I would doubt it Dell is going out of business anytime soon, considering this problematic shipping delays such as the one you've encountered are probably an indicator of too much business and not having enough employees to keep up with demand. My biggest complaint with Dell would have to be their annoying pushing salespeople being super adamant about me buying hardware warranties or "home support" to help me "remove viruses". I conversed with her for a good 10 minutes, repeatedly stating that I'm not interested and she kept telling me to "think about it". So, yeah.. phone people = suck, hardware itself = pretty satisfactory. related article: http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/10/dude-youre-not-getting-a-dell-shipping-delays-hound-pc-maker/ You could always throw this in Dell's face, maybe.. Nice little FTC 30-day rule: http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/mailorder.shtm Mark Noah Norris wrote: > well honestly i dont know if dell is gona be around for much longer at > there going rate > ive ordered a laptop on 7/18/2007 and still no laptop , ive read lots of > stories of loads of people cancel orders > i say this cause 10,000 people cancel there $1k-$3k orders thats gota hurt > > customer service total blows you lucky to get someone to speak scripted > English .... > at the present time i do not recommend anyone to buy them From preludelinux@gmail.com Tue Aug 28 21:51:17 2007 From: preludelinux@gmail.com (Noah Norris) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:51:17 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] buying laptop from dell In-Reply-To: <46D4888E.30100@revealed.net> References: <65dc1580708281322l6ceeff88w8183bfda4c69d94@mail.gmail.com> <46D4888E.30100@revealed.net> Message-ID: <65dc1580708281351m5997c4efja68013ffba119b50@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment well maybe that was then order a laptop now and you wait 2+ months i dont get any information at all about order sent from dell like delay times items etc well theres alot of people buying other brand laptops alot of xps buyers went to buy apple laptops . also i was given no information on when i ordered that i would have a delay and dell knew at that time that there was problems , lack of communication and loads of lies. by the time i found out i started college to soon to try to order from another place. On 8/28/07, Mark Riedesel wrote: > > I'm very satisfied with my dell laptop I purchased about a year ago. I > would doubt it Dell is going out of business anytime soon, considering > this problematic shipping delays such as the one you've encountered are > probably an indicator of too much business and not having enough > employees to keep up with demand. > > My biggest complaint with Dell would have to be their annoying pushing > salespeople being super adamant about me buying hardware warranties or > "home support" to help me "remove viruses". I conversed with her for a > good 10 minutes, repeatedly stating that I'm not interested and she kept > telling me to "think about it". So, yeah.. phone people = suck, > hardware itself = pretty satisfactory. > > related article: > > http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/10/dude-youre-not-getting-a-dell-shipping-delays-hound-pc-maker/ > > You could always throw this in Dell's face, maybe.. Nice little FTC > 30-day rule: > http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/mailorder.shtm > > Mark > > > Noah Norris wrote: > > well honestly i dont know if dell is gona be around for much longer at > > there going rate > > ive ordered a laptop on 7/18/2007 and still no laptop , ive read lots of > > stories of loads of people cancel orders > > i say this cause 10,000 people cancel there $1k-$3k orders thats gota > hurt > > > > customer service total blows you lucky to get someone to speak scripted > > English .... > > at the present time i do not recommend anyone to buy them > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/54f109c1/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From todd@admospheres.com Tue Aug 28 23:13:22 2007 From: todd@admospheres.com (todd@admospheres.com) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:13:22 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Coding Contract Work Message-ID: Hello, Not sure if this is appropriate for the list, but if it is I respectfully submit the following posting: Seeking Coder Proficient in MYSQL and PHP for 20 to 40 hours contract work. Can work @ home and/or my Davenport office. Project entails buildimg dbase with 65+ variables and rendering data on demand into existing subscriber based web site, with existing printed page formatting to follow as structure for rendering. Currently posting data via xls rendered into html and pasted into CMS module. Will also require a custom search function to be created. www.dailyracingsheets.com Interested? Contact Todd McGreevy @ 563 650 0120 or todd@admospheres.com Thank You! Todd -- Todd McGreevy todd@admospheres.com 301 E 2nd Street Davenport, IA 52801 563.322.4864 Office 563.823.0612 FAX 563.650.0120 Direct From dmichael.burns@gmail.com Wed Aug 29 01:41:53 2007 From: dmichael.burns@gmail.com (Mike Burns) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:41:53 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] buying laptop from dell In-Reply-To: <46D4888E.30100@revealed.net> References: <65dc1580708281322l6ceeff88w8183bfda4c69d94@mail.gmail.com> <46D4888E.30100@revealed.net> Message-ID: <46d4c0cc.270b240a.3a51.ffff8980@mx.google.com> Heh, that reminds me of the last time I looked into buying a computer at Best Buy. The salesman thought I was totally insane because I wanted one without a hard drive full of Micro$oft Vista. He kept telling me how great Vista is and how secure, yada, yada. Or better yet, when XP first came out and I had this guy from M$ try to convince me that XP did not sit on top of DOS. He went so far as to tell me that the cmd window that you can get on XP was an emulator that sits on top of XP. Well, I convinced him that if it was indeed an "emulator" that that XP didn't sit on top of DOS, then we could just rename a couple of obvious DOS files and XP would still boot. I didn't stick around long enough to see if he had to reinstall or just rescue mode from the CD-ROM, but the look on his face was priceless when the computer gave him a black screen with the white letters saying "Operating system not found." Naturally I had to throw in there the old, "well, I guess I was right and XP does sit on top of DOS." Evil of me, I know, but there are just some people that are totally asking for a headache. Michael -----Original Message----- From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org [mailto:qclug-bounces@qclug.org] On Behalf Of Mark Riedesel Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 3:42 PM To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: Re: [QCLUG] buying laptop from dell I'm very satisfied with my dell laptop I purchased about a year ago. I would doubt it Dell is going out of business anytime soon, considering this problematic shipping delays such as the one you've encountered are probably an indicator of too much business and not having enough employees to keep up with demand. My biggest complaint with Dell would have to be their annoying pushing salespeople being super adamant about me buying hardware warranties or "home support" to help me "remove viruses". I conversed with her for a good 10 minutes, repeatedly stating that I'm not interested and she kept telling me to "think about it". So, yeah.. phone people = suck, hardware itself = pretty satisfactory. related article: http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/10/dude-youre-not-getting-a-dell-shipping-de lays-hound-pc-maker/ You could always throw this in Dell's face, maybe.. Nice little FTC 30-day rule: http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/mailorder.shtm Mark Noah Norris wrote: > well honestly i dont know if dell is gona be around for much longer at > there going rate > ive ordered a laptop on 7/18/2007 and still no laptop , ive read lots of > stories of loads of people cancel orders > i say this cause 10,000 people cancel there $1k-$3k orders thats gota hurt > > customer service total blows you lucky to get someone to speak scripted > English .... > at the present time i do not recommend anyone to buy them _______________________________________________ QCLUG mailing list QCLUG@qclug.org http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug From preludelinux@gmail.com Wed Aug 29 02:00:49 2007 From: preludelinux@gmail.com (Noah Norris) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:00:49 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] buying laptop from dell In-Reply-To: <46d4c0cc.270b240a.3a51.ffff8980@mx.google.com> References: <65dc1580708281322l6ceeff88w8183bfda4c69d94@mail.gmail.com> <46D4888E.30100@revealed.net> <46d4c0cc.270b240a.3a51.ffff8980@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <65dc1580708281800q236d1a3ameef3f0c1ef1580e4@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment lol ... oh i hate going in there .... they all have to talk like they know more then you oh and make sure to let geek squad make sure you except the eula ...... On 8/28/07, Mike Burns wrote: > > Heh, that reminds me of the last time I looked into buying a computer at > Best Buy. The salesman thought I was totally insane because I wanted one > without a hard drive full of Micro$oft Vista. He kept telling me how > great > Vista is and how secure, yada, yada. > > Or better yet, when XP first came out and I had this guy from M$ try to > convince me that XP did not sit on top of DOS. He went so far as to tell > me > that the cmd window that you can get on XP was an emulator that sits on > top > of XP. Well, I convinced him that if it was indeed an "emulator" that > that > XP didn't sit on top of DOS, then we could just rename a couple of obvious > DOS files and XP would still boot. I didn't stick around long enough to > see > if he had to reinstall or just rescue mode from the CD-ROM, but the look > on > his face was priceless when the computer gave him a black screen with the > white letters saying "Operating system not found." Naturally I had to > throw > in there the old, "well, I guess I was right and XP does sit on top of > DOS." > > Evil of me, I know, but there are just some people that are totally asking > for a headache. > > Michael > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org [mailto:qclug-bounces@qclug.org] On Behalf > Of > Mark Riedesel > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 3:42 PM > To: qclug@qclug.org > Subject: Re: [QCLUG] buying laptop from dell > > I'm very satisfied with my dell laptop I purchased about a year ago. I > would doubt it Dell is going out of business anytime soon, considering > this problematic shipping delays such as the one you've encountered are > probably an indicator of too much business and not having enough > employees to keep up with demand. > > My biggest complaint with Dell would have to be their annoying pushing > salespeople being super adamant about me buying hardware warranties or > "home support" to help me "remove viruses". I conversed with her for a > good 10 minutes, repeatedly stating that I'm not interested and she kept > telling me to "think about it". So, yeah.. phone people = suck, > hardware itself = pretty satisfactory. > > related article: > > http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/10/dude-youre-not-getting-a-dell-shipping-de > lays-hound-pc-maker/ > > You could always throw this in Dell's face, maybe.. Nice little FTC > 30-day rule: > http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/mailorder.shtm > > Mark > > > Noah Norris wrote: > > well honestly i dont know if dell is gona be around for much longer at > > there going rate > > ive ordered a laptop on 7/18/2007 and still no laptop , ive read lots of > > stories of loads of people cancel orders > > i say this cause 10,000 people cancel there $1k-$3k orders thats gota > hurt > > > > customer service total blows you lucky to get someone to speak scripted > > English .... > > at the present time i do not recommend anyone to buy them > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/9eef65e0/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From vorlon@dodds.net Wed Aug 29 02:54:43 2007 From: vorlon@dodds.net (Steve Langasek) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:54:43 -0700 Subject: [QCLUG] buying laptop from dell In-Reply-To: <46d4c0cc.270b240a.3a51.ffff8980@mx.google.com> References: <65dc1580708281322l6ceeff88w8183bfda4c69d94@mail.gmail.com> <46D4888E.30100@revealed.net> <46d4c0cc.270b240a.3a51.ffff8980@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20070829015443.GF25233@dario.dodds.net> On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 07:41:53PM -0500, Mike Burns wrote: > Or better yet, when XP first came out and I had this guy from M$ try to > convince me that XP did not sit on top of DOS. He went so far as to tell me > that the cmd window that you can get on XP was an emulator that sits on top > of XP. Well, I convinced him that if it was indeed an "emulator" that that > XP didn't sit on top of DOS, then we could just rename a couple of obvious > DOS files and XP would still boot. I didn't stick around long enough to see > if he had to reinstall or just rescue mode from the CD-ROM, but the look on > his face was priceless when the computer gave him a black screen with the > white letters saying "Operating system not found." Naturally I had to throw > in there the old, "well, I guess I was right and XP does sit on top of DOS." Cute story, but no, XP does not sit on top of DOS... -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. vorlon@debian.org http://www.debian.org/ From j.brun@mchsi.com Wed Aug 29 04:02:30 2007 From: j.brun@mchsi.com (John Brun) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:02:30 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] buying laptop from dell In-Reply-To: <20070829015443.GF25233@dario.dodds.net> References: <65dc1580708281322l6ceeff88w8183bfda4c69d94@mail.gmail.com> <46D4888E.30100@revealed.net> <46d4c0cc.270b240a.3a51.ffff8980@mx.google.com> <20070829015443.GF25233@dario.dodds.net> Message-ID: <46D4E1C6.3000701@mchsi.com> As of late I have had real good relations with Best Buy. Mostly in the warranty dept. I have a 21 inch LCD screen that the first two I bought had bad pixels. They were replaced without question. Couple other incidents that have been handled fine. As for Windows et al, I just don't even ask questions, I politely thank them for any info, and tell them I'm going to wipe the drive clean. Usually been a short conversation. John Steve Langasek wrote: > On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 07:41:53PM -0500, Mike Burns wrote: > >> Or better yet, when XP first came out and I had this guy from M$ try to >> convince me that XP did not sit on top of DOS. He went so far as to tell me >> that the cmd window that you can get on XP was an emulator that sits on top >> of XP. Well, I convinced him that if it was indeed an "emulator" that that >> XP didn't sit on top of DOS, then we could just rename a couple of obvious >> DOS files and XP would still boot. I didn't stick around long enough to see >> if he had to reinstall or just rescue mode from the CD-ROM, but the look on >> his face was priceless when the computer gave him a black screen with the >> white letters saying "Operating system not found." Naturally I had to throw >> in there the old, "well, I guess I was right and XP does sit on top of DOS." >> > > Cute story, but no, XP does not sit on top of DOS... > > From fatpuppystew@gmail.com Wed Aug 29 23:31:31 2007 From: fatpuppystew@gmail.com (Mike Robinson) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:31:31 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] buying laptop from dell In-Reply-To: <46D4E1C6.3000701@mchsi.com> References: <65dc1580708281322l6ceeff88w8183bfda4c69d94@mail.gmail.com> <46D4888E.30100@revealed.net> <46d4c0cc.270b240a.3a51.ffff8980@mx.google.com> <20070829015443.GF25233@dario.dodds.net> <46D4E1C6.3000701@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <1188426691.3174.12.camel@home7> Its the deer in the headlights look when you mention linux...most will back off pretty quick. On Tue, 2007-08-28 at 22:02 -0500, John Brun wrote: > As of late I have had real good relations with Best Buy. Mostly in the > warranty dept. I have a 21 inch LCD screen that the first two I bought > had bad pixels. They were replaced without question. Couple other > incidents that have been handled fine. As for Windows et al, I just > don't even ask questions, I politely thank them for any info, and tell > them I'm going to wipe the drive clean. Usually been a short conversation. > > John > > Steve Langasek wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 07:41:53PM -0500, Mike Burns wrote: > > > >> Or better yet, when XP first came out and I had this guy from M$ try to > >> convince me that XP did not sit on top of DOS. He went so far as to tell me > >> that the cmd window that you can get on XP was an emulator that sits on top > >> of XP. Well, I convinced him that if it was indeed an "emulator" that that > >> XP didn't sit on top of DOS, then we could just rename a couple of obvious > >> DOS files and XP would still boot. I didn't stick around long enough to see > >> if he had to reinstall or just rescue mode from the CD-ROM, but the look on > >> his face was priceless when the computer gave him a black screen with the > >> white letters saying "Operating system not found." Naturally I had to throw > >> in there the old, "well, I guess I was right and XP does sit on top of DOS." > >> > > > > Cute story, but no, XP does not sit on top of DOS... > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug From parspe@hotmail.com Thu Aug 30 02:15:06 2007 From: parspe@hotmail.com (Patrick P) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:15:06 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] new Distro Message-ID: I am working on a project to create a lightweight Linux workstation distro= for older hardware, mainly PII and PIII machines. The goal is a functional= desktop with easy installation and configuration. This is not a LiveCD lik= e damn small linux but a complete installation distro which uses IceWM for = the window manager. All of the applications from Debian stable are availabl= e post install for those who need additional software. We could use a littl= e help with testing and a few details if anyone has time or wants to. Deb-Ice is a customized Debian distribution uses apt for package managemen= t and the 2.6 kernel. Deb-Ice simplifys the process of installing Debian on= an older machine. Currently we just have an installer which uses the Debia= n repositories. Once we get to version 1.0 we will release an iso for offli= ne installation. The IceWM window manager is installed along with a selecti= on of applications for everyday use, most of which are selected for low mem= ory usage, although familar applications such as a Mozilla browser suite ar= e also included for those who would rather use them. We are working on gett= ing together the needed graphical configuration utilities as well. It is a = desktop workstation distribution to simple functionality and performance on= older hardware. Basically everything is together but we need to make sure nothing importan= t is missing or see if anyone can think of some other applications that nee= d to be added. Things we need help with include: * testing sound, printing * Getting together some information (documentation and HowTos) about gettin= g these things working for the distribution.=20 * There are a few broken pieces of software lying around that we would like= to get included if anyone that can program in C++ or C would like to work = on. These are basically just configuration utilities which are missing. deb= ian packaging expertise would also be helpful here. * We could use some prople who are good with graphics to create icons for t= he menu items, which are not completed yet. =20 Website is still under construction but can be found at http://icelinux.ne= t If you would like to help out Just send me an email if you want to help o= ut and then download the iso https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=3D203391 _________________________________________________________________ Explore the seven wonders of the world http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=3D7+wonders+world&mkt=3Den-US&form=3DQ= BRE= From ronknapperpub@yahoo.com Thu Aug 30 02:44:16 2007 From: ronknapperpub@yahoo.com (RK) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:44:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [QCLUG] Missing "Star"t in the lower left corner of the screen In-Reply-To: <997c8c1b0708280839q5433c850y52a6ee1d7f254eb0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <375587.33743.qm@web51811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Honestly, I never got around to trying the suggestions. I am a teacher and have just started back, I may have some time over the holiday weekend to dig back through the archives to get the suggestions and try them. Ron Knapper --- Jim Hall wrote: > On 4/2/07, RK wrote: > > > > I am just experimenting with Mandriva 2007 right > now > > and my son somehow has managed to make his Star > icon > > in the lower left corner (access to the programs > menu) > > disappear. How do I make this reappear, and also, > how > > did he accomplish this? Thank you in advance. > > > > Ron Knapper > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > Did you ever get this solved? > > Jim > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From preludelinux@gmail.com Thu Aug 30 05:57:56 2007 From: preludelinux@gmail.com (Noah Norris) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:57:56 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] buying laptop from dell In-Reply-To: <1188426691.3174.12.camel@home7> References: <65dc1580708281322l6ceeff88w8183bfda4c69d94@mail.gmail.com> <46D4888E.30100@revealed.net> <46d4c0cc.270b240a.3a51.ffff8980@mx.google.com> <20070829015443.GF25233@dario.dodds.net> <46D4E1C6.3000701@mchsi.com> <1188426691.3174.12.camel@home7> Message-ID: <65dc1580708292157v19152dfbt8b3cc32c5e49b546@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment lol mention linux everyone runs away ... ( job security ) On 8/29/07, Mike Robinson wrote: > > Its the deer in the headlights look when you mention linux...most will > back off pretty quick. > > On Tue, 2007-08-28 at 22:02 -0500, John Brun wrote: > > As of late I have had real good relations with Best Buy. Mostly in the > > warranty dept. I have a 21 inch LCD screen that the first two I bought > > had bad pixels. They were replaced without question. Couple other > > incidents that have been handled fine. As for Windows et al, I just > > don't even ask questions, I politely thank them for any info, and tell > > them I'm going to wipe the drive clean. Usually been a short > conversation. > > > > John > > > > Steve Langasek wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 07:41:53PM -0500, Mike Burns wrote: > > > > > >> Or better yet, when XP first came out and I had this guy from M$ try > to > > >> convince me that XP did not sit on top of DOS. He went so far as to > tell me > > >> that the cmd window that you can get on XP was an emulator that sits > on top > > >> of XP. Well, I convinced him that if it was indeed an "emulator" > that that > > >> XP didn't sit on top of DOS, then we could just rename a couple of > obvious > > >> DOS files and XP would still boot. I didn't stick around long enough > to see > > >> if he had to reinstall or just rescue mode from the CD-ROM, but the > look on > > >> his face was priceless when the computer gave him a black screen with > the > > >> white letters saying "Operating system not found." Naturally I had > to throw > > >> in there the old, "well, I guess I was right and XP does sit on top > of DOS." > > >> > > > > > > Cute story, but no, XP does not sit on top of DOS... > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > QCLUG mailing list > > QCLUG@qclug.org > > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/39961a08/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From jack@haleprint.com Thu Aug 30 16:17:06 2007 From: jack@haleprint.com (Jack) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:17:06 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Linux VS MS Message-ID: <46D6DF72.9090002@haleprint.com> Thought you all may like to see this. http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=201803012 All for now Jack From preludelinux@gmail.com Fri Aug 31 05:28:52 2007 From: preludelinux@gmail.com (Noah Norris) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 23:28:52 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Linux VS MS In-Reply-To: <46D6DF72.9090002@haleprint.com> References: <46D6DF72.9090002@haleprint.com> Message-ID: <65dc1580708302128v8385a68g7b1c42e4cdeef4d6@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment ah the MS format war ...... whats sad is they been caught buying out people to vote yes. oh and currently only there office suit opens these new formats and people are hitting walls using the provided specs to make filters for openoffice ..... oh and just because its a zipped xml files yet if you edit simple things office rejects it as an error ya and my college is forcing it allready too , i can open .Docs fine but so far nothing opens this new format ... basicly this is to make a half open spec a standard so they can sell / lock more people into there office suit even as xml they made sure in order to read it 100% in another program you have to still reverse engineer the bugs in the way office stores the information . they want this bad ..... so theres a solution that leads to them ........ On 8/30/07, Jack wrote: > > Thought you all may like to see this. > > http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=201803012 > > > > All for now > Jack > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/45b86131/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From LMcKnight@bandag.com Fri Aug 31 18:28:45 2007 From: LMcKnight@bandag.com (McKnight, Lee) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 12:28:45 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Linux VS MS In-Reply-To: <46D6DF72.9090002@haleprint.com> References: <46D6DF72.9090002@haleprint.com> Message-ID: Excellent article Jack! Regards, Mac..........=20 -----Original Message----- From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org [mailto:qclug-bounces@qclug.org] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:17 AM To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: [QCLUG] Linux VS MS Thought you all may like to see this. http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=3D2018030= 1 2 All for now Jack _______________________________________________ QCLUG mailing list QCLUG@qclug.org http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug