From vorlon@dodds.net Tue Apr 1 00:09:35 2008 From: vorlon@dodds.net (Steve Langasek) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:09:35 -0700 Subject: [QCLUG] Virtual Machines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080401000934.GB16269@dario.dodds.net> On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 10:39:58PM -0500, Chris Cooper wrote: > As for Xen, it doesn't really compete on the same level as Virtualbox > and VMware server. Xen is probably one of the fastest of all the > virtual machine apps, but it is a hypervisor (a lightweight linux > distro who's sole function is to host VM's), and can't be run inside > your main environment. Yes - instead, you run your main environment under Xen, with a one-time reboot. > It is restricted to 64-bit processors only, No, it isn't. There are certain incompatibilities that prevent you from mixing PAE and non-PAE guests/hypervisors (where 64-bit kernels are all implicitly PAE), but there are 32-bit processors with PAE support and Xen can also be built in non-PAE mode to support older 32-bit processors. > and doesn't provide access to the guest VM's from it's console, since > it is command line only. Sorry, to what console are you referring? With recent versions of Xen, it should be possible to run your full graphical environment under Xen dom0, and run other, non-graphical guests under domU. It should also be possible to implement VMWare-like graphical guests using Xvfb+x11vnc or vncserver, though I'll grant you this isn't as nicely packaged as the VMWare frontend. Cheers, -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developer http://www.debian.org/ slangasek@ubuntu.com vorlon@debian.org From codeshepherd@gmail.com Wed Apr 2 00:58:07 2008 From: codeshepherd@gmail.com (Deepan) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 06:28:07 +0530 Subject: [QCLUG] Grub Error Message-ID: <3482db61c41738c389ab5a0424269370@localhost.localdomain> Hi All, I deleted my windows partition using live CD. Now my machine won't boot into linux. It stops at the grub prompt with the error operating system not found. How do I reinstall grub using live CD? Or should I boot into my linux operating system with root, kernel and initrd option in grub and then install grub ? Regards Deepan Sudoku Solver: http://www.sudoku-solver.net/ From nickmiller92@gmail.com Wed Apr 2 01:03:46 2008 From: nickmiller92@gmail.com (Nick Miller) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:03:46 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Grub Error In-Reply-To: <3482db61c41738c389ab5a0424269370@localhost.localdomain> References: <3482db61c41738c389ab5a0424269370@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <47F2DB72.9040004@gmail.com> Deepan wrote: > Hi All, > I deleted my windows partition using live CD. Now > my machine won't boot into linux. It stops at the > grub prompt with the error operating system not > found. How do I reinstall grub using live CD? Or > should I boot into my linux operating system with > root, kernel and initrd option in grub and then > install grub ? > Regards > Deepan > I could be wrong, but perhaps grub will throw that error if it can't find the location of the Windows installation from the config file. Try booting to a live cd, mounting the Linux partition, and deleting the Windows reference from the grub configuration file. If that doesn't work, I don't know. Nick From Robert@RM-Jones.com Wed Apr 2 11:12:06 2008 From: Robert@RM-Jones.com (Robert Jones) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 06:12:06 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Grub Error In-Reply-To: <3482db61c41738c389ab5a0424269370@localhost.localdomain> References: <3482db61c41738c389ab5a0424269370@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <47F36A06.3080903@RM-Jones.com> Deepan wrote: > Hi All, > I deleted my windows partition using live CD. Now > my machine won't boot into linux. It stops at the > grub prompt with the error operating system not > found. How do I reinstall grub using live CD? Or > should I boot into my linux operating system with > root, kernel and initrd option in grub and then > install grub ? > Regards > Deepan > Sudoku Solver: http://www.sudoku-solver.net/ > I had the same problem a while back. I don't remember where I found this but here is what worked for me. This is taken directly from my notes. Hope it works for you. Bob Jones *We succeeded in bringing the Grub back* /*Here's the steps;*/ * boot by using Linux live CD, go to terminal and run -->> *sudo grub* * you're in grub menu now, then type -->> *find /boot/grub/stage1* * It will /display your grub position/, example (hd0,4) or (hd0,5) * Then type -->> *root (hd*,*)* -- ( replace the * with your grub position – (hd0,4)) * Then type -->> *setup (hd0)* * The above statement will replace your windows MBR configuration * Then close the grub menu by typing -->> *quit* * Reboot your machine -->> *sudo reboot* * Above steps are only for Ubuntu clans, for others : *without sudo* From Robert@RM-Jones.com Fri Apr 4 21:41:37 2008 From: Robert@RM-Jones.com (Robert Jones) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 16:41:37 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Problems Installing Software Message-ID: <47F6A091.1090706@RM-Jones.com> I was wondering if anyone besides me has problems when they have to install software that they download from the internet. It seems like things never go like they should. This time I'm trying to install a program called RoadMap. The instructions say to run "make" and then run "make install". Sounds simple enough to me so here I go. I downloaded the file roadmap-1.1.0-src.tar.gz to /home/robert/Installed/RoadMap and then unpacked it using Arc. No problems so far. I go to the place where the files are, /home/robert/Installed/RoadMap/roadmap-1.1.0/src and do like they say I get into a terminal (I have done it both as robert and using sudo -i) and run make. It gets a bunch of warnings and errors. I run make install anyway and it has all kinds of problems. I don't expect anyone to figure out the problem with these poor descriptions. I was just wondering a couple of things. 1. Are problems like this normal or am I just messing up something. 2. Is there any program that will do an install for me. I have tried Kconfigure and it can't do it because it don't find the file to run. 3. Can anyone point me to a simple tutorial on how to install programs from the command line. I mean really basic because I have the Sgt Schulz problem "I know nothing". Thanks for the help. See ya Tuesday From dbergert@gmail.com Fri Apr 4 21:59:32 2008 From: dbergert@gmail.com (Dave Bergert) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 16:59:32 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Problems Installing Software In-Reply-To: <47F6A091.1090706@RM-Jones.com> References: <47F6A091.1090706@RM-Jones.com> Message-ID: <119ED431-9472-4DC9-A974-36E10ABC711E@gmail.com> Did you read the README or INSTALL file that came with the package. there are likely software and library dependencies that are required that you do not have. The errors and warnings should give you a hint of what is wrong -- is a library missing or not found ? -- See http://roadmap.sourceforge.net/manual.html#id.s4.1 Did you read this: http://roadmap.sourceforge.net/manual.html#id.s4.6 Did you do the first steps ? #1 Install the development libraries for GTK+ 1.2, GTK+ 2.0 or Qt. ? #2 install the shapelib and expat development libraries. Shapelib is required for building maps from some data sources (though not the US Tiger data). The "expat" library is optional, except that you won't be able to save or restore route, waypoint, or track information. -- then depending on your linux distro -- you will either need to install the package that has these libraries - or download and install them from source. google is your friend here to find out what packages you need. typically the documentation is quite well if you follow the steps and instructions... but installing and finding the dependies can be challeging sometimes. Have fun, BTW I don;t see a binary package for roadmap for ubutu. Dave On Apr 4, 2008, at 4:41 PM, Robert Jones wrote: > I was wondering if anyone besides me has problems when they have to > install software that they download from the internet. It seems like > things never go like they should. This time I'm trying to install a > program called RoadMap. The instructions say to run "make" and then > run "make install". Sounds simple enough to me so here I go. I > downloaded the file roadmap-1.1.0-src.tar.gz to /home/robert/ > Installed/RoadMap and then unpacked it using Arc. No problems so > far. I go to the place where the files are, /home/robert/Installed/ > RoadMap/roadmap-1.1.0/src and do like they say I get into a terminal > (I have done it both as robert and using sudo -i) and run make. It > gets a bunch of warnings and errors. I run make install anyway and > it has all kinds of problems. > > I don't expect anyone to figure out the problem with these poor > descriptions. I was just wondering a couple of things. > > 1. Are problems like this normal or am I just messing up something. > 2. Is there any program that will do an install for me. I have tried > Kconfigure and it can't do it because it don't find the file to run. > 3. Can anyone point me to a simple tutorial on how to install > programs from the command line. I mean really basic because I have > the Sgt Schulz problem "I know nothing". > > Thanks for the help. See ya Tuesday > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug Dave Bergert dbergert@gmail.com From Robert@RM-Jones.com Fri Apr 4 22:41:59 2008 From: Robert@RM-Jones.com (Robert Jones) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 17:41:59 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Problems Installing Software In-Reply-To: <119ED431-9472-4DC9-A974-36E10ABC711E@gmail.com> References: <47F6A091.1090706@RM-Jones.com> <119ED431-9472-4DC9-A974-36E10ABC711E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47F6AEB7.9040300@RM-Jones.com> Thank you for getting back to me so quick Dave. Dave Bergert wrote: > Did you read the README or INSTALL file that came with the package. > there are likely software and library dependencies that are required > that you do not have. I thought I did but it's like reading Greek to me most of the time. > See http://roadmap.sourceforge.net/manual.html#id.s4.1 > > Did you read this: > http://roadmap.sourceforge.net/manual.html#id.s4.6 Probably not. I looked at it but didn't spend a lot of time. I guess this is just so different I'm going to have to learn to do things Right :-( > Did you do the first steps ? No. But I'm learning :-) > Have fun, BTW I don;t see a binary package for roadmap for ubutu. I guess I don't understand. Do you mean that I can only install it if there is a "Ubuntu" binary package? I thought that any Linux package would work. Again, got a lot of learning to do. I'm just Playing with my laptop and am installing KDE4 Kubuntu in it again just to see if they are making any progress. I know they are. I'll download the documents and print them off and try it again. Thanks Again. Bob Jones From mriedesel@gmail.com Fri Apr 4 23:24:21 2008 From: mriedesel@gmail.com (Mark Riedesel) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 18:24:21 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Problems Installing Software In-Reply-To: <47F6AEB7.9040300@RM-Jones.com> References: <47F6A091.1090706@RM-Jones.com> <119ED431-9472-4DC9-A974-36E10ABC711E@gmail.com> <47F6AEB7.9040300@RM-Jones.com> Message-ID: <1c9537490804041624q5d905865l2cf11d261d110264@mail.gmail.com> Always avoid installing things from source tarballs (the tar.gz things) if pre-packaged binaries are available. In the case of Ubuntu packages, we would be referring to .deb files, such as those available through apt-get. Installing from tarballs is always an option, although it typically requires knowledge about library dependencies and being able to interpret lengthy compiler errors, you also lose the benefit of automatic updates and dependency tracking that regular package management systems provide. Some pointers for diagnosing compilation issues would be to scroll up to the point during the compile where it appeared to be doing things successfully, and then determine where the first error appeared and work your way down from there. For the heck of it, I attempted compiling Roadmap, I currently don't have the GTK2 development libraries installed so it was guaranteed to fail at some point. It was progressing nicely and then exploded with 50 lines of generally cryptic errors like these... roadmap_main.c: In function 'roadmap_main_remove_periodic': roadmap_main.c:610: error: 'struct roadmap_main_timer' has no member named 'callback' roadmap_main.c:612: error: 'struct roadmap_main_timer' has no member named 'callback' roadmap_main.c:613: warning: implicit declaration of function 'gtk_timeout_remove' roadmap_main.c:613: error: 'struct roadmap_main_timer' has no member named 'id' So, I scroll upwards to where things were still looking good, lines like these.. gcc -O2 -ffast-math -fomit-frame-pointer -W -Wall -Wno-unused-parameter -Wcast-align -Wreturn-type -Wsign-compare -DROADMAP_USES_EXPAT -I. -I/usr/local/include -DNDEBUG -c -o buildmap_messages.o buildmap_messages.c Inbetween those sections I find this useful tidbit.. Package gtk+-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gtk+-2.0.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable No package 'gtk+-2.0' found roadmap_main.c:33:21: error: gtk/gtk.h: No such file or directory roadmap_main.c:34:28: error: gdk/gdkkeysyms.h: No such file or directory >From that error combined with prior knowledge of what provides the gtk.h header files, I can deduce that I am in fact missing the GTK development libraries. Also the pkg-config error suggests it's GTK 2.0 specifically. Now I quick search for packages that might satisfy that dependency. Thankfully all the library packages begin with "lib", and development libraries end with "-dev". Since we're compiling, we need the development packages for that library. So we'll search for libgtk2, and the package name will probably end with -dev. The search can be performed like so ( piping the output to 'less' is optional of course, but helpful if you end up with a long list of results ) apt-cache search libgtk2.*dev | less ( note: apt-cache uses regular expressions for pattern matching, therefore .* is used as a wildcard rather than the regular glob-style *, that's a whole other subject in itself though, to be more proper I suppose it'd be ^libgtk2.*dev$, but that's just being nitpicky and now I'm off-subject. Ignore everything I said inside these parenthesis! ) I get quite a few matches. I see libgtk1.2-dev, libgtk-vnc-1.0-dev, libgtkmm-2.4-dev... keep looking, eventually I find libgtk2.0-dev! Install it with sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev. Attempt compiling the application once again. If you get more errors, just repeat the entire library hunting steps, wash, rinse, repeat, etc. On occasion you'll run into compilation errors that aren't necessarily library based, then you're pretty much screwed unless you start tinkering with the sources. So, the moral of the story is, pre-packaged binaries are our friend! -Mark -- snipsnip -- > > Have fun, BTW I don;t see a binary package for roadmap for ubutu. > > > I guess I don't understand. Do you mean that I can only install it if there > is a "Ubuntu" binary package? I thought that any Linux package would work. > Again, got a lot of learning to do. From dbergert@gmail.com Fri Apr 4 23:42:59 2008 From: dbergert@gmail.com (Dave Bergert) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 18:42:59 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Problems Installing Software In-Reply-To: <47F6AEB7.9040300@RM-Jones.com> References: <47F6A091.1090706@RM-Jones.com> <119ED431-9472-4DC9-A974-36E10ABC711E@gmail.com> <47F6AEB7.9040300@RM-Jones.com> Message-ID: <48951375-9DFE-49BA-87C1-529995EF88B0@gmail.com> Bob: Mark did a great job of explaining the process.. so I would start with that. Basically the rule is try a binary package first (well if you are not running http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ or Gentoo - http://www.gentoo.org/ ), and if a binary doesn't exist then you need to do the whole ./ configure ./make make install steps, and make sure that all of the dependencies and libraries are installed. Sometimes this can be a pain. Here are some comments below: (Just to make sure that I top post, middle post and bottom post :) On Apr 4, 2008, at 5:41 PM, Robert Jones wrote: > Thank you for getting back to me so quick Dave. > > Dave Bergert wrote: >> Did you read the README or INSTALL file that came with the package. >> there are likely software and library dependencies that are >> required that you do not have. > I thought I did but it's like reading Greek to me most of the time. >> See http://roadmap.sourceforge.net/manual.html#id.s4.1 >> This listed the required and optional dependencies and required for the software. the instructions point out that GTK or QT is required to build/compile the code from source. >> Did you read this: >> http://roadmap.sourceforge.net/manual.html#id.s4.6 > Probably not. I looked at it but didn't spend a lot of time. I guess > this is just so different I'm going to have to learn to do things > Right :-( These are basically the step by step instructions, that state there are 2 steps before unpacking the archive. > >> Did you do the first steps ? > No. But I'm learning :-) Great :) > >> Have fun, BTW I don;t see a binary package for roadmap for ubutu. > I guess I don't understand. Do you mean that I can only install it > if there is a "Ubuntu" binary package? I thought that any Linux > package would work. Again, got a lot of learning to do. > There are basically two ways to install software on linux -- from a binary package -- this is the "apt-get install" stuff. the other option is compile and build from source. which requires development tools, compilers, library files, header files, etc. this is the configure, make, make test, make install > I'm just Playing with my laptop and am installing KDE4 Kubuntu in it > again just to see if they are making any progress. I know they are. > I'll download the documents and print them off and try it again. > Thanks Again. Anytime -- DB > Dave Bergert dbergert@gmail.com From Robert@RM-Jones.com Sat Apr 5 12:45:11 2008 From: Robert@RM-Jones.com (Robert Jones) Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 07:45:11 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Problems Installing Software In-Reply-To: <48951375-9DFE-49BA-87C1-529995EF88B0@gmail.com> References: <47F6A091.1090706@RM-Jones.com> <119ED431-9472-4DC9-A974-36E10ABC711E@gmail.com> <47F6AEB7.9040300@RM-Jones.com> <48951375-9DFE-49BA-87C1-529995EF88B0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47F77457.2090401@RM-Jones.com> Dave Bergert wrote: (snip - snip) I guess this is the way to do it. All new to me ;-) > There are basically two ways to install software on linux -- from a > binary package -- this is the "apt-get install" stuff. the other > option is compile and build from source. which requires development > tools, compilers, library files, header files, etc. this is the > configure, make, make test, make install Thanks Dave and Mark. From what Mark said I would guess that for now I better stick with the packages that I can click and get. The only reason I wanted to get RoadMap was to try to get completely rid of Windows. That can come later. I think I will watch for an old junk computer in a yard sale and put a basic Ubuntu system in it to play with this make and make install stuff. > Dave Bergert > dbergert@gmail.com Thanks again. I'll see you Tuesday night. I have Kubuntu 8.04 with the KDE4 desktop installed in my laptop and will have it along with me if anyone hasn't seen KDE4 yet and would like to. Bob Jones > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > From Robert@RM-Jones.com Sat Apr 5 13:35:00 2008 From: Robert@RM-Jones.com (Robert Jones) Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 08:35:00 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Problems Installing Software In-Reply-To: <47F77457.2090401@RM-Jones.com> References: <47F6A091.1090706@RM-Jones.com> <119ED431-9472-4DC9-A974-36E10ABC711E@gmail.com> <47F6AEB7.9040300@RM-Jones.com> <48951375-9DFE-49BA-87C1-529995EF88B0@gmail.com> <47F77457.2090401@RM-Jones.com> Message-ID: <47F78004.4060705@RM-Jones.com> One more questions - Only one, I promise. This would be a "Dumb Question" except I don't know the answer and the only dumb question is the one you already know the answer to. Does it make a difference where I put the downloaded file and "install" it from. I'm an organization FREAK and would normally put my downloaded files in /home/robert/download/install/{program name} . Is this as good as other places or should I put it somewhere else to install it? If so, where? Thanks Bob Jones > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > From mriedesel@gmail.com Sat Apr 5 13:40:38 2008 From: mriedesel@gmail.com (Mark Riedesel) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 08:40:38 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Problems Installing Software In-Reply-To: <47F78004.4060705@RM-Jones.com> References: <47F6A091.1090706@RM-Jones.com> <119ED431-9472-4DC9-A974-36E10ABC711E@gmail.com> <47F6AEB7.9040300@RM-Jones.com> <48951375-9DFE-49BA-87C1-529995EF88B0@gmail.com> <47F77457.2090401@RM-Jones.com> <47F78004.4060705@RM-Jones.com> Message-ID: <1c9537490804050640x361b4eaq4bb0d7dbb12ebf8f@mail.gmail.com> Installing from source? After 'make install' is all done, you can safely destroy the entire contents of the extracted source archive (both the tar.gz and extracted directory), since 'make install' scatters the application files to the appropriate places on the system, which is another reason why package management stuff is great. As always, no question is dumb :) On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Robert Jones wrote: > One more questions - Only one, I promise. > This would be a "Dumb Question" except I don't know the answer and the only > dumb question is the one you already know the answer to. > > Does it make a difference where I put the downloaded file and "install" it > from. I'm an organization FREAK and would normally put my downloaded files > in /home/robert/download/install/{program name} . Is this as good as other > places or should I put it somewhere else to install it? If so, where? > > Thanks > > > Bob Jones > > > _______________________________________________ > > QCLUG mailing list > > QCLUG@qclug.org > > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > From Robert@RM-Jones.com Mon Apr 7 14:05:33 2008 From: Robert@RM-Jones.com (Robert Jones) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 08:05:33 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Problems Installing Software In-Reply-To: <1c9537490804041624q5d905865l2cf11d261d110264@mail.gmail.com> References: <47F6A091.1090706@RM-Jones.com> <119ED431-9472-4DC9-A974-36E10ABC711E@gmail.com> <47F6AEB7.9040300@RM-Jones.com> <1c9537490804041624q5d905865l2cf11d261d110264@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47FA1C1D.6050005@RM-Jones.com> Mark Riedesel wrote: > Always avoid installing things from source tarballs (the tar.gz > things) if pre-packaged binaries are available. In the case of Ubuntu > packages, we would be referring to .deb files, such as those available > through apt-get. Installing from tarballs is always an option, > although it typically requires knowledge about library dependencies > and being able to interpret lengthy compiler errors, you also lose the > benefit of automatic updates and dependency tracking that regular > package management systems provide. > > Some pointers for diagnosing compilation issues would be to scroll up > to the point during the compile where it appeared to be doing things > successfully, and then determine where the first error appeared and > work your way down from there. Thanks for the assistance Mark and Dave. I finally figured out how to install RoadMap from the tar.gz file. That was an Interesting learning procedure. I thought that someone might be interested in Linux/GPS software. Roadmap (the one I was trying to install) isn't great by any means. It has better graphics than some but is not up to what I need. However, Kubuntu / Ubuntu 8.04 has a program called Viking. It is Great or at least is seems to be so far. And it is a "click and install" :-) I have it installed and it seems to be very good. I am going to give it a "road test" in the next day or two and will let you know if I like it or not. If there are any "Geocache" people out there you may want to take a look at "Viking" when Ubuntu 8.04 comes out or if you don't plan to change right away you can get it at http://viking.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page Thanks again Bob Jones From dbergert@gmail.com Mon Apr 7 14:14:35 2008 From: dbergert@gmail.com (Dave Bergert) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 08:14:35 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Problems Installing Software In-Reply-To: <47FA1C1D.6050005@RM-Jones.com> References: <47F6A091.1090706@RM-Jones.com> <119ED431-9472-4DC9-A974-36E10ABC711E@gmail.com> <47F6AEB7.9040300@RM-Jones.com> <1c9537490804041624q5d905865l2cf11d261d110264@mail.gmail.com> <47FA1C1D.6050005@RM-Jones.com> Message-ID: <359B348B-1BAD-4610-852B-2C2DD17F6A7E@gmail.com> Robert: I've also used GPS Drive http://www.gpsdrive.de/screenshots/ index.shtml in the past with success. On Apr 7, 2008, at 8:05 AM, Robert Jones wrote: > Mark Riedesel wrote: >> Always avoid installing things from source tarballs (the tar.gz >> things) if pre-packaged binaries are available. In the case of Ubuntu >> packages, we would be referring to .deb files, such as those >> available >> through apt-get. Installing from tarballs is always an option, >> although it typically requires knowledge about library dependencies >> and being able to interpret lengthy compiler errors, you also lose >> the >> benefit of automatic updates and dependency tracking that regular >> package management systems provide. >> >> Some pointers for diagnosing compilation issues would be to scroll up >> to the point during the compile where it appeared to be doing things >> successfully, and then determine where the first error appeared and >> work your way down from there. > Thanks for the assistance Mark and Dave. I finally figured out how > to install RoadMap from the tar.gz file. That was an Interesting > learning procedure. I thought that someone might be interested in > Linux/GPS software. Roadmap (the one I was trying to install) isn't > great by any means. It has better graphics than some but is not up > to what I need. However, Kubuntu / Ubuntu 8.04 has a program called > Viking. It is Great or at least is seems to be so far. And it is a > "click and install" :-) I have it installed and it seems to be very > good. I am going to give it a "road test" in the next day or two and > will let you know if I like it or not. If there are any "Geocache" > people out there you may want to take a look at "Viking" when Ubuntu > 8.04 comes out or if you don't plan to change right away you can get > it at http://viking.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page > Thanks again > Bob Jones > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug Dave Bergert dbergert@gmail.com From culley.smith@gmail.com Mon Apr 7 14:16:56 2008 From: culley.smith@gmail.com (Culley Smith) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 08:16:56 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Problems Installing Software In-Reply-To: <359B348B-1BAD-4610-852B-2C2DD17F6A7E@gmail.com> References: <47F6A091.1090706@RM-Jones.com> <119ED431-9472-4DC9-A974-36E10ABC711E@gmail.com> <47F6AEB7.9040300@RM-Jones.com> <1c9537490804041624q5d905865l2cf11d261d110264@mail.gmail.com> <47FA1C1D.6050005@RM-Jones.com> <359B348B-1BAD-4610-852B-2C2DD17F6A7E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <893089ec0804070616y656365f8u9e99def0166268b5@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment At the very least, this conversation has given me a few ideas for a nice Road mapping program for Linux. I'd been looking for one for a while and had pretty much given up. Google Maps works well, but presupposes one has an active Internet connection, which may not always be the case. :) ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/6cbb6939/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From Robert@RM-Jones.com Mon Apr 7 15:27:37 2008 From: Robert@RM-Jones.com (Robert Jones) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 09:27:37 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Problems Installing Software In-Reply-To: <893089ec0804070616y656365f8u9e99def0166268b5@mail.gmail.com> References: <47F6A091.1090706@RM-Jones.com> <119ED431-9472-4DC9-A974-36E10ABC711E@gmail.com> <47F6AEB7.9040300@RM-Jones.com> <1c9537490804041624q5d905865l2cf11d261d110264@mail.gmail.com> <47FA1C1D.6050005@RM-Jones.com> <359B348B-1BAD-4610-852B-2C2DD17F6A7E@gmail.com> <893089ec0804070616y656365f8u9e99def0166268b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47FA2F59.9050107@RM-Jones.com> Culley Smith wrote: > At the very least, this conversation has given me a few ideas for a > nice Road mapping program for Linux. I'd been looking for one for a > while and had pretty much given up. Google Maps works well, but > presupposes one has an active Internet connection, which may not > always be the case. :) Hi Culley, Viking requires you to download maps also. However, I added my waypoints from my gps (Garmin 76S) and then loaded Google Maps for the whole USA. I searched around at Le Claire and then saved the maps. Next time I loaded it the whole USA map and the local street maps were still there along with my waypoints. I believe I will be able to load the maps for whatever area I want to visit, save them to disk and recall when necessary. Let me know if you have any luck with this and after I try it for a while on the road I'll start a new thread and let everyone know how I'm doing with Viking. Bob Jones From Robert@RM-Jones.com Mon Apr 7 15:31:23 2008 From: Robert@RM-Jones.com (Robert Jones) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 09:31:23 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Problems Installing Software In-Reply-To: <359B348B-1BAD-4610-852B-2C2DD17F6A7E@gmail.com> References: <47F6A091.1090706@RM-Jones.com> <119ED431-9472-4DC9-A974-36E10ABC711E@gmail.com> <47F6AEB7.9040300@RM-Jones.com> <1c9537490804041624q5d905865l2cf11d261d110264@mail.gmail.com> <47FA1C1D.6050005@RM-Jones.com> <359B348B-1BAD-4610-852B-2C2DD17F6A7E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47FA303B.1050300@RM-Jones.com> Dave Bergert wrote: > Robert: > > I've also used GPS Drive > http://www.gpsdrive.de/screenshots/index.shtml in the past with success. Hi Dave, I took a look at GPS Drive and didn't want to use it. I don't remember why. There is a review of GPS Drive, Viking and a couple of others at http://www.fsckin.com/2008/04/06/review-four-linux-gps-packages/ that I found interesting. Bob Jones From Robert@RM-Jones.com Mon Apr 7 20:16:31 2008 From: Robert@RM-Jones.com (Robert Jones) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 14:16:31 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Back To Windows Message-ID: <47FA730F.6070103@RM-Jones.com> Well, I have been tinkering with Linux for over 2 months now and every time I think things are great, something else pops up that needs tinkering with. I guess that I'm just tired of it for now so back to Windows at least for a while. Knowing me I'll probably be back to Linux in 6 months so don't give up on me yet. I just have to get some work done. I will probably wait a while and set my older computer up with Linux and play with it to see how things are going. However, I think I will have to keep Windows around for everyday use because I just have to many commitments for my time to keep trying to learn everything at once. Before I go I wanted to say thanks to all of you for your help. I'll probably see you at one of the meetings in a few month. I'm so erratic that I never stay in one place to long :-) Talk to you all in six months :-) Bob Jones From arronlorenz@gmail.com Mon Apr 7 21:03:39 2008 From: arronlorenz@gmail.com (Arron Lorenz) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 15:03:39 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Back To Windows In-Reply-To: <47FA730F.6070103@RM-Jones.com> References: <47FA730F.6070103@RM-Jones.com> Message-ID: <30cf66b30804071303i7ce08d48o9d224c1b51ab403c@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Bob, Hey bob don't run to far away from us yet! Don't forget that you can still use the free VMware, and VirtualBox to play with linux inside of windows. You can also use the Ubuntu windows installer that will let you install Ubuntu from inside windows. It creates a hard drive image on your windows partition that will allow you to easily dual boot Ubuntu and Windows. I know that I didn't just drop windows one day and started using Linux. I use Ubuntu as my main Desktop it's taken me 7 years, and about a dozen different flavors. I still use a combination of Ubuntu and Gentoo as my distributions of choice. Good luck with windows, and hey don't forget to install some anti-virus asap! Regards, Arron Lorenz On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Robert Jones wrote: > Well, I have been tinkering with Linux for over 2 months now and every > time I think things are great, something else pops up that needs tinkering > with. I guess that I'm just tired of it for now so back to Windows at least > for a while. Knowing me I'll probably be back to Linux in 6 months so don't > give up on me yet. I just have to get some work done. I will probably wait a > while and set my older computer up with Linux and play with it to see how > things are going. However, I think I will have to keep Windows around for > everyday use because I just have to many commitments for my time to keep > trying to learn everything at once. > > Before I go I wanted to say thanks to all of you for your help. I'll > probably see you at one of the meetings in a few month. I'm so erratic that > I never stay in one place to long :-) > > Talk to you all in six months :-) > Bob Jones > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > -- From: Arron James Lorenz Reel to Reel Drive In Reach Global Networks LLC 563-579-7046 ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/a8547c57/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From Robert@RM-Jones.com Mon Apr 7 22:13:36 2008 From: Robert@RM-Jones.com (Robert Jones) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 16:13:36 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Back To Windows In-Reply-To: <30cf66b30804071303i7ce08d48o9d224c1b51ab403c@mail.gmail.com> References: <47FA730F.6070103@RM-Jones.com> <30cf66b30804071303i7ce08d48o9d224c1b51ab403c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47FA8E80.20606@RM-Jones.com> Arron Lorenz wrote: > Bob, > Hey bob don't run to far away from us yet! Don't forget that you can > still use the free VMware, and VirtualBox to play with linux inside of > windows. You can also use the Ubuntu windows installer that will let > you install Ubuntu from inside windows. It creates a hard drive image > on your windows partition that will allow you to easily dual boot > Ubuntu and Windows. > I won't run to far. I have a computer sitting in the basement with Windows XP in it. When I get these set up I won't have a need for it so it will probably put Ubuntu / Kubuntu 8.04 in it. Most likely it will take 6 months because I just have so much to do and I have been neglecting it while I tinkered with Linux. You guys aren't getting rid of me that easy :-) Bob Jones From volunteer.jim@gmail.com Tue Apr 8 18:15:54 2008 From: volunteer.jim@gmail.com (Jim Hall) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:15:54 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Gentle reminder In-Reply-To: <30cf66b30803310812r425353cue89f70e586fb8252@mail.gmail.com> References: <47EE7F9C.5010707@revealed.net> <65dc1580803300242h469e3a5fg8a182a20527e53ff@mail.gmail.com> <30cf66b30803310812r425353cue89f70e586fb8252@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <997c8c1b0804081015k22361260qe60ad86607d8c954@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 10:12 AM, Arron Lorenz wrote: > Arron prepares to start a level 3 e-mail client flame war. I use gmail, as > long as the subject line stays intact It does all the work for me. > > Regards, > Arron > > > D Joe, If the list is entertaining and potentially useful (to you and us), why not subscribe with your new address? You are correct that sometimes I don't follow through with everything I should. If I'm in a hurry or dead tired or not well, I may slide. I shouldn't, but nobody is perfect no matter how hard we try. The basic advice should still be kept in mind, however. Why bottom posting? an homage to Karnak. A: About three pounds. Q: Whats a henway? Jim ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/d1452cdd/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From volunteer.jim@gmail.com Tue Apr 8 18:22:57 2008 From: volunteer.jim@gmail.com (Jim Hall) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:22:57 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Back To Windows In-Reply-To: <47FA8E80.20606@RM-Jones.com> References: <47FA730F.6070103@RM-Jones.com> <30cf66b30804071303i7ce08d48o9d224c1b51ab403c@mail.gmail.com> <47FA8E80.20606@RM-Jones.com> Message-ID: <997c8c1b0804081022l47377d23jb9616b69401259f@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Robert Jones wrote: > Arron Lorenz wrote: > > > Bob, > > Hey bob don't run to far away from us yet! Don't forget that you can > > still use the free VMware, and VirtualBox to play with linux inside of > > windows. You can also use the Ubuntu windows installer that will let you > > install Ubuntu from inside windows. It creates a hard drive image on your > > windows partition that will allow you to easily dual boot Ubuntu and > > Windows. > > > > I won't run to far. I have a computer sitting in the basement with > Windows XP in it. When I get these set up I won't have a need for it so it > will probably put Ubuntu / Kubuntu 8.04 in it. Most likely it will take 6 > months because I just have so much to do and I have been neglecting it while > I tinkered with Linux. You guys aren't getting rid of me that easy :-) > > Bob Jones > _______________________________________________ > You can still come to meetings and enjoy the food and conversation. Also, if you're having trouble with one distro try something else. I use Mepis for people who have withdrawal from Windoze problems, and Debian for people who want to get under the hood. Take care. Jim ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So, when I began thinking of it that way, it allowed me to use Linux for many of the same, but also different tasks than I used in Windows... while also using Windows for certain tasks. My solution was to boot into Windows when I needed to use a particular feature... a VPN client, play a game, or run a particular program that didn't work under Wine. Then, boot into Linux for everything else. I've still never gotten completely away from Windows. We live in a Microsoft world, and being a tech guy, using Windows just comes with the territory. Anyhow. Good luck. Culley On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Robert Jones wrote: > Well, I have been tinkering with Linux for over 2 months now and every > time I think things are great, something else pops up that needs tinkering > with. I guess that I'm just tired of it for now so back to Windows at least > for a while. Knowing me I'll probably be back to Linux in 6 months so don't > give up on me yet. I just have to get some work done. I will probably wait a > while and set my older computer up with Linux and play with it to see how > things are going. However, I think I will have to keep Windows around for > everyday use because I just have to many commitments for my time to keep > trying to learn everything at once. > > Before I go I wanted to say thanks to all of you for your help. I'll > probably see you at one of the meetings in a few month. I'm so erratic that > I never stay in one place to long :-) > > Talk to you all in six months :-) > Bob Jones > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ubuntu Developer http://www.debian.org/ slangasek@ubuntu.com vorlon@debian.org From volunteer.jim@gmail.com Tue Apr 8 22:05:36 2008 From: volunteer.jim@gmail.com (Jim Hall) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:05:36 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Small success Message-ID: <997c8c1b0804081405s368e9941jc8c5f19018ae497c@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Did something good last night. Got my first ever scanner up and running! USB and Xsane recognized it first thing without the usual Windoze jump through hoops BS. Linux is great! Jim ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Really makes me enjoy anytime someone says "Linux won't be ready until my grandma can use it." Just had to kick in my two cents after reading your post. Regards, Arron On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Jim Hall wrote: > Did something good last night. Got my first ever scanner up and running! > USB and Xsane recognized it first thing without the usual Windoze jump > through hoops BS. Linux is great! > > Jim > -- From: Arron James Lorenz Reel to Reel Drive In Reach Global Networks LLC 563-579-7046 ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/2f8ab368/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From ronknapperpub@yahoo.com Tue Apr 15 01:53:06 2008 From: ronknapperpub@yahoo.com (RK) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:53:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [QCLUG] Back To Windows In-Reply-To: <20080408195227.GC19202@dario.dodds.net> Message-ID: <615807.87990.qm@web51805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> VMWare! I have been "playing" with Linux for about 7-8 years, but have had a problem with commitment. In other words, I use my computer to get things done. Now, Microsoft Windows is just more familiar and my computers have all been built from the manufacturer to be MS Windows compatible. So... after X years using Microsoft operating systems, it just is comfortable and familiar. I rarely have major problems with MS Windows for my normal daily use. But when I set up a second computer with Linux (way back, don't remember the first one I tried but I do remember text based installers and getting a computer that I could, boot up to Linux and that is all, then Fedora, then Mandrake, others?). The second computer just didn't work for me. If I had to accomplish something, it was just easier to use my main computer (MS Windows) then to try and find how to do it in Linux. I did have a dual boot setup, on my previous "main computer" and again, rebooting into Linux (Mandriva 2008) was just too much of a pain, since I could get my work done in MS Windows. But now, after a couple of hours reading and being overly cautious on backups and setup instructions for how to setup VMWare and Linux (Ubuntu/Kubuntu this time) The actual setup time was less then 30 minutes. I have a system I can virtually boot into and play with while not excluding myself from using the applicaitons I have working in MS Windows. It takes all of 15-30 minutes for me to create a new virtual machine and load a different distribution to see what it is like. Have done this now with 3 distributions and currently have 1 (Ubuntu, though I did download and install KDE which I prefer, but for whatever reason I had problems getting Kubuntu to install and work properly...), the other two being "difficult" with my network setup and hardware. VMWare I think is a great stepping stone to get someone into the world of Linux without making it difficult, I can pop in and out of Linux for 15 minutes, or a couple of hours, and know if I really hose things up, it is a virtual computer anyway so no big deal. Ron Knapper --- Steve Langasek wrote: > On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 12:39:57PM -0500, Culley > Smith wrote: > > We live in a Microsoft world, and being a tech > guy, using Windows just > > comes with the territory. > > Hmm, that's an interesting (narrow) definition of > "tech guy"... :) > > -- > Steve Langasek Give me a lever > long enough and a Free OS > Debian Developer to set it on, and > I can move the world. > Ubuntu Developer > http://www.debian.org/ > slangasek@ubuntu.com > vorlon@debian.org > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From ronknapperpub@yahoo.com Tue Apr 15 02:03:19 2008 From: ronknapperpub@yahoo.com (RK) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:03:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [QCLUG] Small success In-Reply-To: <30cf66b30804081417p552e104enec09df01d2b27de0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <328598.88822.qm@web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I think this is something that indicates Linux is getting ready for Grandma to use. It is getting to be close for many things. If we can just continue the fight and have Linux be a "viable" option pre-installed on computers from mainstream manufacturers. When you can walk into Best Buy and the saleperson says, "This computer will meet your needs, for ..." without regards to operating system. The more people who switch to OSX, the more people will consider just getting the computer that will meet their needs and operating system will be just a personal preference rather than the only system they have ever used. Enough babbling. Ron Knapper --- Arron Lorenz wrote: > Jim, > A comment after my heart... Last week I went over to > set up my dad's new > printer onto windows XP, so 20 minutes, a driver > download, and a reboot > later his printer was up and running. > > I also got a new printer/scanner combo, before I > plugged everything in, and > before I finished installing the ink cartirdges > there was a little bubble > pop up that said my printer was ready to use. I sat > backed and laughed a > little. Really makes me enjoy anytime someone says > "Linux won't be ready > until my grandma can use it." > > Just had to kick in my two cents after reading your > post. > > Regards, > Arron > > On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Jim Hall > wrote: > > > Did something good last night. Got my first ever > scanner up and running! > > USB and Xsane recognized it first thing without > the usual Windoze jump > > through hoops BS. Linux is great! > > > > Jim > > > > > > -- > From: > Arron James Lorenz > Reel to Reel Drive In > Reach Global Networks LLC > 563-579-7046 > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From mriedesel@gmail.com Tue Apr 15 02:07:30 2008 From: mriedesel@gmail.com (Mark Riedesel) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:07:30 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Small success In-Reply-To: <328598.88822.qm@web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <30cf66b30804081417p552e104enec09df01d2b27de0@mail.gmail.com> <328598.88822.qm@web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1c9537490804141807p171a4554o54c6ce7eb63ffc56@mail.gmail.com> My grandma already does. On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 8:03 PM, RK wrote: > I think this is something that indicates Linux is > getting ready for Grandma to use From ronknapperpub@yahoo.com Tue Apr 15 02:24:56 2008 From: ronknapperpub@yahoo.com (RK) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [QCLUG] Small success In-Reply-To: <1c9537490804141807p171a4554o54c6ce7eb63ffc56@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <63987.57461.qm@web51801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> OK, let me amend my statement. I think this is something that indicates Linux is getting ready for Grandma to use. But also, from experience, this also indicates that MS Windows is getting ready for Grandma to use too. Ron --- Mark Riedesel wrote: > My grandma already does. > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 8:03 PM, RK > wrote: > > I think this is something that indicates Linux is > > getting ready for Grandma to use > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From leif.theden@gmail.com Tue Apr 15 02:54:47 2008 From: leif.theden@gmail.com (Leif Theden) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:54:47 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Small success In-Reply-To: <63987.57461.qm@web51801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <63987.57461.qm@web51801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1208224487.6682.0.camel@sankofa> I would be more comfortable with my grandma using Gnome that I would her using Windows. :) On Mon, 2008-04-14 at 18:24 -0700, RK wrote: > OK, let me amend my statement. > > I think this is something that indicates Linux is > getting ready for Grandma to use. But also, from > experience, this also indicates that MS Windows is > getting ready for Grandma to use too. > > Ron > > --- Mark Riedesel wrote: > > > My grandma already does. > > > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 8:03 PM, RK > > wrote: > > > I think this is something that indicates Linux is > > > getting ready for Grandma to use > > _______________________________________________ > > QCLUG mailing list > > QCLUG@qclug.org > > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug From LMcKnight@bandag.com Tue Apr 15 18:52:08 2008 From: LMcKnight@bandag.com (McKnight, Lee) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:52:08 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Small success In-Reply-To: <1208224487.6682.0.camel@sankofa> References: <63987.57461.qm@web51801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1208224487.6682.0.camel@sankofa> Message-ID: Grandma may need to seriously upgrade her PC if she is going to run Vista.......=20 -----Original Message----- From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org [mailto:qclug-bounces@qclug.org] On Behalf Of Leif Theden Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:55 PM To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: Re: [QCLUG] Small success I would be more comfortable with my grandma using Gnome that I would her using Windows. :) On Mon, 2008-04-14 at 18:24 -0700, RK wrote: > OK, let me amend my statement.=20 >=20 > I think this is something that indicates Linux is getting ready for=20 > Grandma to use. But also, from experience, this also indicates that MS > Windows is getting ready for Grandma to use too. >=20 > Ron >=20 > --- Mark Riedesel wrote: >=20 > > My grandma already does. > >=20 > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 8:03 PM, RK > > wrote: > > > I think this is something that indicates Linux is getting ready=20 > > > for Grandma to use > > _______________________________________________ > > QCLUG mailing list > > QCLUG@qclug.org > > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. =20 > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=3DAhu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug _______________________________________________ QCLUG mailing list QCLUG@qclug.org http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug From Robert@RM-Jones.com Tue Apr 15 23:26:44 2008 From: Robert@RM-Jones.com (Robert Jones) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:26:44 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Small success In-Reply-To: <1c9537490804141807p171a4554o54c6ce7eb63ffc56@mail.gmail.com> References: <30cf66b30804081417p552e104enec09df01d2b27de0@mail.gmail.com> <328598.88822.qm@web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1c9537490804141807p171a4554o54c6ce7eb63ffc56@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48052BA4.9070607@RM-Jones.com> Mark Riedesel wrote: > My grandma already does. > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 8:03 PM, RK wrote: > >> I think this is something that indicates Linux is >> getting ready for Grandma to use >> I'm a Grandpa, and I use Linux too :-) You didn't think you would get rid of me that easy did you? I gathered myself together, switched boxes and have Ubuntu as a duel boot right now. In 9 days I think I'll set that one up as Ubuntu / Kubuntu and stay with KDE 3 in it. I'll have to leave my laptop as Vista for now. I'll worry about it later after I get more experience. Bob Jones From volunteer.jim@gmail.com Wed Apr 16 06:56:28 2008 From: volunteer.jim@gmail.com (Jim Hall) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 00:56:28 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Small success In-Reply-To: <48052BA4.9070607@RM-Jones.com> References: <30cf66b30804081417p552e104enec09df01d2b27de0@mail.gmail.com> <328598.88822.qm@web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1c9537490804141807p171a4554o54c6ce7eb63ffc56@mail.gmail.com> <48052BA4.9070607@RM-Jones.com> Message-ID: <997c8c1b0804152256k3794e1f8wc4e7f5228ff804f0@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Robert Jones wrote: > Mark Riedesel wrote: > > > My grandma already does. > > > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 8:03 PM, RK wrote: > > > > > > > I think this is something that indicates Linux is > > > getting ready for Grandma to use > > > > > > > > I'm a Grandpa, and I use Linux too :-) You didn't think you would get > rid of me that easy did you? I gathered myself together, switched boxes and > have Ubuntu as a duel boot right now. In 9 days I think I'll set that one up > as Ubuntu / Kubuntu and stay with KDE 3 in it. I'll have to leave my laptop > as Vista for now. I'll worry about it later after I get more experience. > Bob Jones > > _______________________________________________ > > Congratulations. Knowledge is power. Jim ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/3eacaeb8/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From volunteer.jim@gmail.com Wed Apr 23 15:02:27 2008 From: volunteer.jim@gmail.com (Jim Hall) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:02:27 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] CUPS and Apple Message-ID: <997c8c1b0804230702i232e29c1u123f9748fecac9b2@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Has anyone had experience or info getting an Apple LaserWriter (any kind) working with CUPS? Jim ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/3582c3a1/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From preludelinux@gmail.com Thu Apr 24 19:24:20 2008 From: preludelinux@gmail.com (Noah Norris) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:24:20 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] CUPS and Apple In-Reply-To: <997c8c1b0804230702i232e29c1u123f9748fecac9b2@mail.gmail.com> References: <997c8c1b0804230702i232e29c1u123f9748fecac9b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <65dc1580804241124h9fbc571t5f297b81f1d11a8d@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment its a plain postscript printer ive been using a 16/600 for years On 4/23/08, Jim Hall wrote: > > Has anyone had experience or info getting an Apple LaserWriter (any kind) > working with CUPS? > > Jim > ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/58f3ccfa/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From wakecycle@gmail.com Sun Apr 27 21:11:59 2008 From: wakecycle@gmail.com (Brent Wyatt) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:11:59 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Looking for a scanner/printer/copier Message-ID: <3fc351330804271311s35a714dagf58bf0c83c57ae14@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Hi All; The old printer died, she was a good old girl served me well, but it's time to move on. I don't print much copy and scan less, but do want to be able to if need be. I have Ubuntu 8.04 on the machine it will be hooked up to. So if anyone has an opinion on what I should buy, I'd love to hear it. Thanks Brent ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/f92573f9/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From dmichael.burns@gmail.com Sun Apr 27 21:24:00 2008 From: dmichael.burns@gmail.com (DMichael Burns) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:24:00 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Looking for a scanner/printer/copier In-Reply-To: <3fc351330804271311s35a714dagf58bf0c83c57ae14@mail.gmail.com> References: <3fc351330804271311s35a714dagf58bf0c83c57ae14@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Heya Brent, There seems to be a lot of support these days for printers within linux. Either supported with CUPS or with drivers that are open source and released by the manufacturer. My choice has always been HP, but again that is a personal preference. I would say to look around at what is available that you like the features and the price on and then double check with the following link to see if it is supported. http://openprinting.org/printer_list.cgi Good luck. Michael On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Brent Wyatt wrote: > Hi All; The old printer died, she was a good old girl served me well, but > it's time to move on. I don't print much copy and scan less, but do want to > be able to if need be. I have Ubuntu 8.04 on the machine it will be hooked > up to. So if anyone has an opinion on what I should buy, I'd love to hear > it. Thanks Brent > -- "Men and women belong to different species and communications between them is still in its infancy." --Bill Cosby, American Comedian ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/741d6a10/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From mriedesel@gmail.com Sun Apr 27 21:27:57 2008 From: mriedesel@gmail.com (Mark Riedesel) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:27:57 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Looking for a scanner/printer/copier In-Reply-To: References: <3fc351330804271311s35a714dagf58bf0c83c57ae14@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1c9537490804271327u18fde2a0x65dca833e96b8278@mail.gmail.com> Seconded, my HP 6201 and 750 (now half-dead, scanner is flaky) work pretty darn well. CUPS is dandy. Mark On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 3:24 PM, DMichael Burns wrote: > Heya Brent, > > There seems to be a lot of support these days for printers within linux. > Either supported with CUPS or with drivers that are open source and released > by the manufacturer. > > My choice has always been HP, but again that is a personal preference. I > would say to look around at what is available that you like the features and > the price on and then double check with the following link to see if it is > supported. > > http://openprinting.org/printer_list.cgi > > Good luck. > > Michael > > > > > On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Brent Wyatt wrote: > > > Hi All; The old printer died, she was a good old girl served me well, but > it's time to move on. I don't print much copy and scan less, but do want to > be able to if need be. I have Ubuntu 8.04 on the machine it will be hooked > up to. So if anyone has an opinion on what I should buy, I'd love to hear > it. Thanks Brent > > > > > > -- > "Men and women belong to different species and communications between them > is still in its infancy." > --Bill Cosby, American Comedian From Robert@RM-Jones.com Mon Apr 28 21:16:10 2008 From: Robert@RM-Jones.com (Robert Jones) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:16:10 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Root functions in Ubuntu Message-ID: <4816308A.1080900@RM-Jones.com> I understand that Ubuntu / Kubuntu doesn't want you to log in as "Root". Sometimes I have a need to do things that require "Root" or "Administrator". An example is, in Kubuntu, I want to change my "image" at "System Settings > User Information > Password & User Account > Click To Change Your Image". Sometimes I can change the image and sometimes I get the message "Your administrator has disallowed changing your image." My question is; If I want to do something using a GUI that requires Administrator access, how do I do it? In this particular case I can't even change my image from a Root log in since it would change the image for the Root user. Is there some way to force Kubuntu to allow me to do things it requires the administrator permission to do? Thanks for the help. Bob Jones From acjohnson@pcdomain.com Mon Apr 28 22:34:57 2008 From: acjohnson@pcdomain.com (Aaron Johnson) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:34:57 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Root functions in Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <4816308A.1080900@RM-Jones.com> References: <4816308A.1080900@RM-Jones.com> Message-ID: <000901c8a977$b579f450$2a00a8c0@pcdomain.local> Well, this might not answer your question but usually gksu or gksudo works for me... -----Original Message----- From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org [mailto:qclug-bounces@qclug.org] On Behalf Of Robert Jones Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 3:16 PM To: QCLUG Subject: [QCLUG] Root functions in Ubuntu I understand that Ubuntu / Kubuntu doesn't want you to log in as "Root". Sometimes I have a need to do things that require "Root" or "Administrator". An example is, in Kubuntu, I want to change my "image" at "System Settings > User Information > Password & User Account > Click To Change Your Image". Sometimes I can change the image and sometimes I get the message "Your administrator has disallowed changing your image." My question is; If I want to do something using a GUI that requires Administrator access, how do I do it? In this particular case I can't even change my image from a Root log in since it would change the image for the Root user. Is there some way to force Kubuntu to allow me to do things it requires the administrator permission to do? Thanks for the help. Bob Jones _______________________________________________ QCLUG mailing list QCLUG@qclug.org http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1401 - Release Date: 4/28/2008 7:18 AM From dbergert@gmail.com Mon Apr 28 22:54:28 2008 From: dbergert@gmail.com (Dave Bergert) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:54:28 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Root functions in Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <4816308A.1080900@RM-Jones.com> References: <4816308A.1080900@RM-Jones.com> Message-ID: <45065F34-AAFB-458F-A163-1999225BE77B@gmail.com> Some more info on this topic here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo On Apr 28, 2008, at 3:16 PM, Robert Jones wrote: > I understand that Ubuntu / Kubuntu doesn't want you to log in as > "Root". Sometimes I have a need to do things that require "Root" or > "Administrator". An example is, in Kubuntu, I want to change my > "image" at "System Settings > User Information > Password & User > Account > Click To Change Your Image". Sometimes I can change the > image and sometimes I get the message "Your administrator has > disallowed changing your image." > > My question is; If I want to do something using a GUI that requires > Administrator access, how do I do it? In this particular case I > can't even change my image from a Root log in since it would change > the image for the Root user. Is there some way to force Kubuntu to > allow me to do things it requires the administrator permission to do? > > Thanks for the help. > Bob Jones > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug Dave Bergert dbergert@gmail.com From nickmiller92@gmail.com Mon Apr 28 23:32:12 2008 From: nickmiller92@gmail.com (Nick Miller) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:32:12 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Root functions in Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <45065F34-AAFB-458F-A163-1999225BE77B@gmail.com> References: <4816308A.1080900@RM-Jones.com> <45065F34-AAFB-458F-A163-1999225BE77B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4816506C.2020502@gmail.com> Most of the time, the application will have a button located near the bottom of the window that says "Administrator Mode" that will allow you to perform specific root tasks within that application. This is usually true of file browsers. But, now that I think about it, that feature may only be part of KDE applications. You could also run sudo with the name of the program, even if its GUI based. For instance, "sudo gedit" would allow you to open gedit and have root privileges for saving and what not. Nick > On Apr 28, 2008, at 3:16 PM, Robert Jones wrote: > >> I understand that Ubuntu / Kubuntu doesn't want you to log in as >> "Root". Sometimes I have a need to do things that require "Root" or >> "Administrator". An example is, in Kubuntu, I want to change my >> "image" at "System Settings > User Information > Password & User >> Account > Click To Change Your Image". Sometimes I can change the >> image and sometimes I get the message "Your administrator has >> disallowed changing your image." >> >> My question is; If I want to do something using a GUI that requires >> Administrator access, how do I do it? In this particular case I can't >> even change my image from a Root log in since it would change the >> image for the Root user. Is there some way to force Kubuntu to allow >> me to do things it requires the administrator permission to do? >> >> Thanks for the help. >> Bob Jones >> _______________________________________________ >> QCLUG mailing list >> QCLUG@qclug.org >> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug From codeshepherd@gmail.com Tue Apr 29 00:37:49 2008 From: codeshepherd@gmail.com (Deepan) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:07:49 +0530 Subject: [QCLUG] Multiple Domains - Apache Message-ID: Hi All, I am serving two domains from the same machine using Apache. I want www to be used in both of the domains, hence I redirect urls without www to appropriate urls with www. I have the following configuration in httpd.conf to achieve this. NameVirtualHost *:80 DocumentRoot /var/www/html/domaina/ ServerName www.domaina.com Options +FollowSymLinks RewriteEngine On RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^domaina\.com$ [NC] RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://www.domaina.com$1 [R=301,L] DocumentRoot /var/www/html/domainb/ ServerName www.domainb.com Options +FollowSymLinks RewriteEngine On RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^domainb\.com$ [NC] RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://www.domainb.com$1 [R=301,L] However all requests to http://domainb.com/ gets redirected to http://www.domaina.com whereas the expected behaviour is to get redirected to http://www.domainb.com/ . Regards Deepan Photographic Memory Game: http://www.photographicmemorygame.com/ Sudoku Solver: http://www.sudoku-solver.net/ From wakecycle@gmail.com Tue Apr 29 00:44:48 2008 From: wakecycle@gmail.com (Brent Wyatt) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:44:48 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Looking for a scanner/printer/copier In-Reply-To: <1c9537490804271327u18fde2a0x65dca833e96b8278@mail.gmail.com> References: <3fc351330804271311s35a714dagf58bf0c83c57ae14@mail.gmail.com> <1c9537490804271327u18fde2a0x65dca833e96b8278@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3fc351330804281644s5673665bwefbf2a2a15c57be@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Thanks for the Open printing list, It will be useful during my search. Seems HP has a lot of support so they'll be at the top of my list. Ubuntu seems to play well with them too. Thanks again. Brent ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/2deffd36/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From Robert@RM-Jones.com Tue Apr 29 14:01:51 2008 From: Robert@RM-Jones.com (Robert Jones) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:01:51 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Root functions in Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <000901c8a977$b579f450$2a00a8c0@pcdomain.local> References: <4816308A.1080900@RM-Jones.com> <000901c8a977$b579f450$2a00a8c0@pcdomain.local> Message-ID: <48171C3F.30008@RM-Jones.com> Aaron Johnson wrote: > Well, this might not answer your question but usually gksu or gksudo works > for me... > > Thanks Aaron, The gksudo solved another problem I had. I didn't know about this but am sure I will put it to use. as far as getting my image in it didn't do anything but that isn't a big thing and I don't need it. It just confused me since I got it to work and then later, after I upgraded to 8.04, it lost the image and won't let me put it in. It has done this before and I'm not sure why. Not big thing though. I am glad to find out about the gksudo though, I'm sure it will come in handy. While trying it I figured out how to get "Tomboy Notes" to work in Kubuntu. That had me stumped but one thing led to another from your suggestion and I tripped on the resolution to Tomboy. Thanks again Bob Jones From arronlorenz@davenportdrivein.com Sun Apr 13 08:21:42 2008 From: arronlorenz@davenportdrivein.com (Arron Lorenz) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 07:21:42 -0000 Subject: [QCLUG] Reel to Reel Drive In Theater Message-ID: <30cf66b30804130021p3bf044f6n9cede778e07e041a@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Hello everyone! Reel to Reel Drive In Theater just had it's first article by the Quad City Times posted online, You'll be able to read it in the Sunday April 13th edition. Please take a few minutes to read the article, and visit http://www.DavenportDriveIn.com. http://www.qctimes.com/articles/2008/04/13/news/local/doc4801328a8c35e783413493.txt?sPos=3 Thanks! We can't wait to see you at the drive in this summer. Regards, Arron -- From: Arron James Lorenz Reel to Reel Drive In Reach Global Networks LLC 563-579-7046 ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/164f1608/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment--