From roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com Sat Mar 8 19:17:09 2008 From: roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com (Roadkill the Avatar of Misfortune) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 13:17:09 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Server issues.. Message-ID: <200803081317.09644.roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com> The host server that hosts that qclug is having issues... I cannot get into the hosting facility at this time, and to hopefully keep damage to a minimum I will be shutting down the server until I can get this issue resolved.. Sorry gang... rk From volunteer@revealed.net Tue Mar 11 18:51:52 2008 From: volunteer@revealed.net (Jim Hall) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:51:52 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] St. Ambrose Technology Showcase - Part 2 References: Message-ID: <47D6D4C8.4020806@revealed.net> Derek Kozlowski wrote: > More info about the 2008 St. Ambrose Information Technology Showcase. > Just as a general fyi, this is our second technology fair at ambrose. > Last year we had a great turnout, lots of vendors/activities, and lots > of giveaways (vendor swag, small electronics, tshirts, and even an iPod > and new Computer). Our intended audience for the event is campus users > (staff, faculty, students), and will not be publicly advertised outside > of campus. We use the event as a way to raise technology awareness, > show off new products, and in general get people excited about > Technology. This year we are expanding the events, bringing in more > outside professionals, and working within the university to identify > users that use technology in unique ways. We are going to have some > interesting booths this year and I really hope that the local linux > group can be a part of the activities. > > ** Just as a side note our apple rep is very excited to be coming back > to campus this year and I am fairly certain he will be bringing demos of > the current apple toys ( iphone and Mac Air ) for those of you that > would like to see them in person. > > */Derek, > Is this a daytime or evening affair? Times it will be open? Times set > aside for setup? > Regards, Mac......../* > > Mac, We have the Rogalski Center reserved from 8am until 10pm on March > 19th. Most of the booths, reps, and speakers will be scheduled between > 8am-6pm though we have events scheduled throughout the day and evening. > The late evening (6pm-10pm) events are primarily going to be fun things > like video game tournaments with prizes. We have a little bit of > flexibility with setup times for the event. Most booths are going to be > setting up between 7am-9am though we do have some time the night before > to get the setup started. The doors will be locked up after we are done > getting equipment in place, tables arranged, ethernet and power cords to > where they will be needed for the morning. > > */Derek, I would be quite willing to come by and do a demonstration/s of my > Myth setup, as I now have two working units in my house. I just finished > creating a setup for Mum, and once I get the digital tuner working better, > I can show the digital tv off in addition to the SDTV bits that I have been > using for about three years now./* > > Robert, a myth demo would be great ( I also have a mythbox setup at > home, well worth the investment of time ). Would you be comfortable > putting together a scheduled presentation and answering user questions? > > It will be great to see some involvement from the Local LUG. So far > none of the IT people or CS students I have talked to even knew that > there was a local group. Perhaps you guys can bring some recruitment > flyers and pick up some new members to your monthly get togethers. > Since the last email I have been in contact with the St. Ambrose > computer club, they are planning on putting a few machines together > loaded with vmware and a plethora of different distros. > > Does anyone else have any interesting projects that might make a good > addition or perhaps work with a local company that uses technology in a > creative way. I would still like to find 1 more individual that would > be willing to put together a short presentation answering the basics of > linux (What, why, when, how, etc), and perhaps talk about the founding > principles of Open source software and alternatives. If anyone else is > interested or would like further details please get back to me through > the list or email kozlowskiderek@sau.edu > > Thanks, > - Derek** > If you can talk Steve Langasek into doing a presentation on disk about the philosiphy aspect, that would be great. He has that down cold You can also reference and possibly hand out "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" and offer for sale (working with the campus book store) "In the Beginning was the Command Line". I have an Etch box that runs World of Warcraft and Skype if that will help. Jim From mriedesel@gmail.com Tue Mar 11 18:09:40 2008 From: mriedesel@gmail.com (Mark Riedesel) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:09:40 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] It's that day again Message-ID: <1c9537490803111109x33ae292ar39c12e94dee2a30a@mail.gmail.com> Just a little reminder, it's meeting day. Hopefully some other people besides me show up at Panera Bread (since we have no presentation, at least that I know of) this evening. -Mark if you didn't receive this email, then the mailing list is still down. If the mailing list is still down and you received this email, then... that can only... mean... *plays suspenseful music*) From jmkris@gmail.com Tue Mar 11 18:12:51 2008 From: jmkris@gmail.com (Jim Kristan) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:12:51 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] It's that day again In-Reply-To: <1c9537490803111109x33ae292ar39c12e94dee2a30a@mail.gmail.com> References: <1c9537490803111109x33ae292ar39c12e94dee2a30a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I will be there. Jim K On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Mark Riedesel wrote: > Just a little reminder, it's meeting day. Hopefully some other people > besides me show up at Panera Bread (since we have no presentation, at > least that I know of) this evening. > > -Mark > if you didn't receive this email, then the mailing list is still > down. If the mailing list is still down and you received this email, > then... that can only... mean... *plays suspenseful music*) > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > From jmkris@gmail.com Tue Mar 11 18:12:51 2008 From: jmkris@gmail.com (Jim Kristan) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:12:51 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] It's that day again In-Reply-To: <1c9537490803111109x33ae292ar39c12e94dee2a30a@mail.gmail.com> References: <1c9537490803111109x33ae292ar39c12e94dee2a30a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I will be there. Jim K On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Mark Riedesel wrote: > Just a little reminder, it's meeting day. Hopefully some other people > besides me show up at Panera Bread (since we have no presentation, at > least that I know of) this evening. > > -Mark > if you didn't receive this email, then the mailing list is still > down. If the mailing list is still down and you received this email, > then... that can only... mean... *plays suspenseful music*) > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > From robert@rm-jones.com Tue Mar 11 21:07:25 2008 From: robert@rm-jones.com (Robert Jones) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:07:25 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] It's that day again In-Reply-To: <1c9537490803111109x33ae292ar39c12e94dee2a30a@mail.gmail.com> References: <1c9537490803111109x33ae292ar39c12e94dee2a30a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D6F48D.9080803@rm-jones.com> See You There. Bob Jones Mark Riedesel wrote: > Just a little reminder, it's meeting day. Hopefully some other people > besides me show up at Panera Bread (since we have no presentation, at > least that I know of) this evening. > > -Mark > if you didn't receive this email, then the mailing list is still > down. If the mailing list is still down and you received this email, > then... that can only... mean... *plays suspenseful music*) > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > From derek.kozlowski@gmail.com Wed Mar 12 17:06:33 2008 From: derek.kozlowski@gmail.com (Derek Kozlowski) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:06:33 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] IT Showcase Update 3 Message-ID: > If you can talk Steve Langasek into doing a presentation on disk about > the philosiphy aspect, that would be great. He has that down cold > > You can also reference and possibly hand out "The Cathedral and the > Bazaar" and offer for sale (working with the campus book store) "In the > Beginning was the Command Line". > > I have an Etch box that runs World of Warcraft and Skype if that will help. > Jim Thanks for the suggestions. I am assuming Steve Langasek is part of the mailing list I am not yet familiar with everyone. Steve if you are willing to take part in our Technology Showcase on March 19th I would love to have you around. We have a few more slots open for presentations during the day if you are interested in taking 1 or 2 throughout the day to discuss the philosophy of linux, maybe discuss a bit about open software in general I think it would be a great addition. If interested in sticking around the showcase throughout the day It would be nice to have 1 or 2 more individuals that can be at the table to do some demos and answer questions. Jim, are you interested in just getting involved in presentations or can I convince you to take a part in the booth. At the LUG I would like to be able to show off a couple linux based projects (mythtv, and your etch) that people have put together. In addition to a couple general purpose machines. I can even provide a couple machines (Optiplex gx270/gx280) that you guys can configure as needed. You can use the machines to demonstrate how easy it is to install linux at the start of the day, if you don't want to prepare it prior to the day of the showcase. I would like to see atleast one machine set up with Compiz so we can demonstrate some of the special effects that are available. We can use this as a mini Linux Demo Day. Anyone interested in bringing pamphlets, reference sheets or burning cd's to give out during the day are more then welcome to. Heck, if anyone can bring some ISO's of the current linux versions we can burn the cd's at the showcase. IT can provide a spindle of cd's and a sharpie for the day. Feel free to use your distro flavors of choice for the demos. Contact me if you are interested in getting involved. I would prefer it if you contact me directly, or atleast cc my email directly so your email is not over looked since the showcase is coming up quickly. I can be contacted by phone through the SAU IT Service desk (563.333.6368) or email at my posting address. For those interested in getting involved please send me your name, contact info, and how you would like to participate. Thanks, - Derek Derek Kozlowski Lab Manager Information Technology St. Ambrose University From mriedesel@gmail.com Wed Mar 12 17:23:42 2008 From: mriedesel@gmail.com (Mark Riedesel) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:23:42 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] IT Showcase Update 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1c9537490803121023t72d8d61eh145ee0465df24cf3@mail.gmail.com> I'm available that day and would be happy to assist if we can get something semi-organized in time. I can bring my laptop and burn off distros as needed. -Mark On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Derek Kozlowski wrote: > > If you can talk Steve Langasek into doing a presentation on disk about > > the philosiphy aspect, that would be great. He has that down cold > > > > You can also reference and possibly hand out "The Cathedral and the > > Bazaar" and offer for sale (working with the campus book store) "In the > > Beginning was the Command Line". > > > > I have an Etch box that runs World of Warcraft and Skype if that will help. > > Jim > > Thanks for the suggestions. I am assuming Steve Langasek is part > of the mailing list I am not yet familiar with everyone. Steve if you > are willing to take part in our Technology Showcase on March 19th I > would love to have you around. We have a few more slots open for > presentations during the day if you are interested in taking 1 or 2 > throughout the day to discuss the philosophy of linux, maybe discuss a > bit about open software in general I think it would be a great > addition. If interested in sticking around the showcase throughout > the day It would be nice to have 1 or 2 more individuals that can be > at the table to do some demos and answer questions. > > Jim, are you interested in just getting involved in presentations > or can I convince you to take a part in the booth. At the LUG I would > like to be able to show off a couple linux based projects (mythtv, and > your etch) that people have put together. In addition to a couple > general purpose machines. I can even provide a couple machines > (Optiplex gx270/gx280) that you guys can configure as needed. You can > use the machines to demonstrate how easy it is to install linux at the > start of the day, if you don't want to prepare it prior to the day of > the showcase. I would like to see atleast one machine set up with > Compiz so we can demonstrate some of the special effects that are > available. > > We can use this as a mini Linux Demo Day. Anyone interested in > bringing pamphlets, reference sheets or burning cd's to give out > during the day are more then welcome to. Heck, if anyone can bring > some ISO's of the current linux versions we can burn the cd's at the > showcase. IT can provide a spindle of cd's and a sharpie for the day. > Feel free to use your distro flavors of choice for the demos. > > Contact me if you are interested in getting involved. > I would prefer it if you contact me directly, or atleast cc my email > directly so your email is not over looked since the showcase is coming > up quickly. > I can be contacted by phone through the SAU IT Service desk > (563.333.6368) or email at my posting address. > For those interested in getting involved please send me your name, > contact info, and how you would like to participate. > > Thanks, > - Derek > > Derek Kozlowski > Lab Manager > Information Technology > St. Ambrose University > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > From agamotto@sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 12 17:46:21 2008 From: agamotto@sbcglobal.net (agamotto) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:46:21 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Followup for the upcoming SAU IT Showcase - people needed Message-ID: <47D816ED.6050707@sbcglobal.net> Hey gang, guess who I head from! -------- Original Message -------- Subject: SAU IT Showcase Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:07:14 -0500 From: Derek Kozlowski To: agamotto@sbcglobal.net {snippage} Stuff regarding Mythbox presentation Now here is kind of what we have going on at the IT Showcase Booths and presentations will be throughout the day 8am-6pm, 6pm-10pm will primarily be for the gaming competitions. We are currently planning on having a couple dozens booths which will be an assortment of vendors, and technology related randomness. {more snippage} More Mythbox stuff If you know of anyone else that would like to join that would like to talk about linux/open source software feel free. I would really like to see OSS hyped a little since most are not familiar with the software alternatives that are available. Preferably I would like to get atleast 2 people from the Lug group to be at the table so that you will have a chance to check out the other vendors and exhibits during the showcase. Ok, here is the meat - Derek would like at least two others to show up, so we can show off our various interests/abilities in our daily use of Linux. Given that the Fest day is the 19th, it would be great if we could have people who can come in for part or all day to commit by the 16th, as this gives Derek a few days to get our table setup according to his needs. I plan on being there all day, to do the Mythbox presentations, and to poke around the other displays a bit. Whomever would be free for either part of the day, or the whole day, please post to the list, or email to derek.kozlowski@gmail.com so he can have the info by the 16th! In addition to the LUG booth I am anticipating on conducting 1 or 2 mythbuntu presentation sessions throughout the day that you talk about the mythbuntu system, explain what it is and what it does and demonstrate the interface. This will be similar to whats going on at the booth, but it will be a scheduled time so people can see the entire presentation instead of just walking up randomly and asking questions about the system. Presentation slots start each hour, we anticipate each to last 20min to half an hour, but left gaps so that they can run over if needed or there are any questions. If you have preferred times I can try to get those scheduled. This would be a great chance for Mark, Zach, Steve, (if he is in the area) and others to show off how Linux is used in daily work environments, or to show off stuff that you have done with your setup that other people might be interested in doing at home. I know that Jim won't be free due to prior commitments, but I am sure that someone would be able to come in for at least part of the day. Below is more information about the goings on: Little more info about the event *Computer Club* - The St. Ambrose Computer club is interested in also doing some linux related demonstrations. They will have a both setup with a few computers running a variety of live boot distros in virtualization. I believe they are planning to use vmware to show off virtualization technologies in addition to the flexibility of a live boot operating system. They plan to have a fairly hands on stations setup where people can play around with applications and system settings without worrying about breaking the system (just need to reboot to get it all back together). They will probably be showing off some of the linux features like package managers and basic applications. I believe their stuff should highly complement your mythbox. Noah, if you are free during this day, here would be a good chance to show off some of the stuff that you have been doing with your laptops! *Prizes* - Last year we gave away nearly $3000 worth of prizes and goodies donated by the vendors including a computer. I am not sure how far we are this year, things are still coming in at a steady stream. What we did last year is put together baskets of goodies and each table had basket that people could sign up for. There will also be 1 or 2 big things that people can win by visiting all the booths (and getting their card stamped) and turned in. There was also random giveaways for attending presentations and submitting a survey before leaving. In addition individual vendors often bring things to give away such as pens, shirts, frisbees, and other logoed goods. The bad news is that only staff/students/faculty will be able to register for any of the prizes. They will still be able to get goodies from the presentations and freebies brought by the vendors. So, we can't win prizes, which is only fair, but we do get to collect schwag if we like :) *Vendors* - A few of the Vendors and Orgs exhibiting include Adobe, Apple, CDWG, Dell, HP, Pratt AV, Verizon, Art Dept, Computer Club, LUG, Assistive Technologies. Our Department is also putting together booths for certain on campus technologies (Beeline, Blackboard, ServiceDesk, Pod Casting, Elluminate (Interactive online classes), Vista & Office, etc. As soon as I hear back from you I will send an update to the mailing list. Thank You, - Derek Derek Kozlowski Lab Manager Information Technology St. Ambrose University From mriedesel@gmail.com Wed Mar 12 17:53:00 2008 From: mriedesel@gmail.com (Mark Riedesel) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:53:00 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Followup for the upcoming SAU IT Showcase - people needed In-Reply-To: <47D816ED.6050707@sbcglobal.net> References: <47D816ED.6050707@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1c9537490803121053h5e77a4f0mece70fffc471d18e@mail.gmail.com> I'm pretty sure I'm available that day, I'd be happy to show up. My laptop has a reasonably speedy CD burner so I could crank out some install discs for people ( seeing as Derek offered to provide blank discs ). I still haven't figured out what time it starts? I assume I'll have to wake up earlier than normal. -Mark On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 12:46 PM, agamotto wrote: > Hey gang, guess who I head from! > {{ monster snippage }} From volunteer.jim@gmail.com Wed Mar 12 18:31:18 2008 From: volunteer.jim@gmail.com (Jim Hall) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:31:18 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] IT Showcase Update 3 In-Reply-To: <1c9537490803121023t72d8d61eh145ee0465df24cf3@mail.gmail.com> References: <1c9537490803121023t72d8d61eh145ee0465df24cf3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <997c8c1b0803121131k46de51afsf42d35c25cfb2d49@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Mark Riedesel wrote: > I'm available that day and would be happy to assist if we can get > something semi-organized in time. I can bring my laptop and burn off > distros as needed. > > -Mark > > On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Derek Kozlowski > wrote: > > > If you can talk Steve Langasek into doing a presentation on disk about > > > the philosiphy aspect, that would be great. He has that down cold > > > > > > You can also reference and possibly hand out "The Cathedral and the > > > Bazaar" and offer for sale (working with the campus book store) "In > the > > > Beginning was the Command Line". > > > > > > I have an Etch box that runs World of Warcraft and Skype if that will > help. > > > Jim > > > > Thanks for the suggestions. I am assuming Steve Langasek is part > > of the mailing list I am not yet familiar with everyone. Steve if you > > are willing to take part in our Technology Showcase on March 19th I > > would love to have you around. We have a few more slots open for > > presentations during the day if you are interested in taking 1 or 2 > > throughout the day to discuss the philosophy of linux, maybe discuss a > > bit about open software in general I think it would be a great > > addition. If interested in sticking around the showcase throughout > > the day It would be nice to have 1 or 2 more individuals that can be > > at the table to do some demos and answer questions. > > > > Jim, are you interested in just getting involved in presentations > > or can I convince you to take a part in the booth. At the LUG I would > > like to be able to show off a couple linux based projects (mythtv, and > > your etch) that people have put together. In addition to a couple > > general purpose machines. I can even provide a couple machines > > (Optiplex gx270/gx280) that you guys can configure as needed. You can > > use the machines to demonstrate how easy it is to install linux at the > > start of the day, if you don't want to prepare it prior to the day of > > the showcase. I would like to see atleast one machine set up with > > Compiz so we can demonstrate some of the special effects that are > > available. > > > > We can use this as a mini Linux Demo Day. Anyone interested in > > bringing pamphlets, reference sheets or burning cd's to give out > > during the day are more then welcome to. Heck, if anyone can bring > > some ISO's of the current linux versions we can burn the cd's at the > > showcase. IT can provide a spindle of cd's and a sharpie for the day. > > Feel free to use your distro flavors of choice for the demos. > > > > Contact me if you are interested in getting involved. > > I would prefer it if you contact me directly, or atleast cc my email > > directly so your email is not over looked since the showcase is coming > > up quickly. > > I can be contacted by phone through the SAU IT Service desk > > (563.333.6368) or email at my posting address. > > For those interested in getting involved please send me your name, > > contact info, and how you would like to participate. > > > > Thanks, > > - Derek > > > > Derek Kozlowski > > Lab Manager > > Information Technology > > St. Ambrose University > > _______________________________________________ > > QCLUG mailing list > > QCLUG@qclug.org > > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > Sadly, I can only be available until about 2PM. If that's ok I'll be glad to come. Jim ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/693d9314/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From preludelinux@gmail.com Wed Mar 12 18:47:15 2008 From: preludelinux@gmail.com (Noah Norris) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:47:15 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] IT Showcase Update 3 In-Reply-To: <997c8c1b0803121131k46de51afsf42d35c25cfb2d49@mail.gmail.com> References: <1c9537490803121023t72d8d61eh145ee0465df24cf3@mail.gmail.com> <997c8c1b0803121131k46de51afsf42d35c25cfb2d49@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <65dc1580803121147l20b86e1ev524d42894a103feb@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment I could also come and bring my laptop or a desktop if needed On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Jim Hall wrote: > On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Mark Riedesel > wrote: > > > I'm available that day and would be happy to assist if we can get > > something semi-organized in time. I can bring my laptop and burn off > > distros as needed. > > > > -Mark > > > > On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Derek Kozlowski > > wrote: > > > > If you can talk Steve Langasek into doing a presentation on disk > > about > > > > the philosiphy aspect, that would be great. He has that down cold > > > > > > > > You can also reference and possibly hand out "The Cathedral and the > > > > Bazaar" and offer for sale (working with the campus book store) "In > > the > > > > Beginning was the Command Line". > > > > > > > > I have an Etch box that runs World of Warcraft and Skype if that > > will help. > > > > Jim > > > > > > Thanks for the suggestions. I am assuming Steve Langasek is part > > > of the mailing list I am not yet familiar with everyone. Steve if > > you > > > are willing to take part in our Technology Showcase on March 19th I > > > would love to have you around. We have a few more slots open for > > > presentations during the day if you are interested in taking 1 or 2 > > > throughout the day to discuss the philosophy of linux, maybe discuss > > a > > > bit about open software in general I think it would be a great > > > addition. If interested in sticking around the showcase throughout > > > the day It would be nice to have 1 or 2 more individuals that can be > > > at the table to do some demos and answer questions. > > > > > > Jim, are you interested in just getting involved in presentations > > > or can I convince you to take a part in the booth. At the LUG I > > would > > > like to be able to show off a couple linux based projects (mythtv, > > and > > > your etch) that people have put together. In addition to a couple > > > general purpose machines. I can even provide a couple machines > > > (Optiplex gx270/gx280) that you guys can configure as needed. You > > can > > > use the machines to demonstrate how easy it is to install linux at > > the > > > start of the day, if you don't want to prepare it prior to the day of > > > the showcase. I would like to see atleast one machine set up with > > > Compiz so we can demonstrate some of the special effects that are > > > available. > > > > > > We can use this as a mini Linux Demo Day. Anyone interested in > > > bringing pamphlets, reference sheets or burning cd's to give out > > > during the day are more then welcome to. Heck, if anyone can bring > > > some ISO's of the current linux versions we can burn the cd's at the > > > showcase. IT can provide a spindle of cd's and a sharpie for the > > day. > > > Feel free to use your distro flavors of choice for the demos. > > > > > > Contact me if you are interested in getting involved. > > > I would prefer it if you contact me directly, or atleast cc my email > > > directly so your email is not over looked since the showcase is > > coming > > > up quickly. > > > I can be contacted by phone through the SAU IT Service desk > > > (563.333.6368) or email at my posting address. > > > For those interested in getting involved please send me your name, > > > contact info, and how you would like to participate. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > - Derek > > > > > > Derek Kozlowski > > > Lab Manager > > > Information Technology > > > St. Ambrose University > > > _______________________________________________ > > > QCLUG mailing list > > > QCLUG@qclug.org > > > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > QCLUG mailing list > > QCLUG@qclug.org > > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > > > > > Sadly, I can only be available until about 2PM. If that's ok I'll be glad > to come. > > Jim > ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/b387243b/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From agamotto@sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 13 01:03:56 2008 From: agamotto@sbcglobal.net (Randolph Murdock III) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [QCLUG] Followup for the upcoming SAU IT Showcase - people needed In-Reply-To: <1c9537490803121053h5e77a4f0mece70fffc471d18e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <564534.37577.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Mark Riedesel wrote: I'm pretty sure I'm available that day, I'd be happy to show up. My laptop has a reasonably speedy CD burner so I could crank out some install discs for people ( seeing as Derek offered to provide blank discs ). I still haven't figured out what time it starts? I assume I'll have to wake up earlier than normal. It starts around 8am, so yes, you and I will both need to be up rather early :) I would offer Red Bull, but it would make me puke... Earl Grey for a morning bracer perhaps? ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/a6e288ac/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From agamotto@sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 13 01:07:53 2008 From: agamotto@sbcglobal.net (Randolph Murdock III) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:07:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [QCLUG] IT Showcase Update 3 In-Reply-To: <997c8c1b0803121131k46de51afsf42d35c25cfb2d49@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <569069.88860.qm@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Jim Hall wrote: {snippity snip snip snip} Sadly, I can only be available until about 2PM. If that's ok I'll be glad to come. Jim That would be great, as I had assumed you had Holy Week observances for the whole day. The more, the merrier. Jim, if you wouldn't mind, bring those little table signs you made for the meetings, and whatever else that you won't have too much trouble shuffing into the van. I can help you get the stuff out of the van once you arrive. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My > laptop has a reasonably speedy CD burner so I could crank out some > install discs for people ( seeing as Derek offered to provide blank > discs ). > > I still haven't figured out what time it starts? I assume I'll have to > wake up earlier than normal. > > It starts around 8am, so yes, you and I will both need to be > up rather early :) I would offer Red Bull, but it would make me puke... > Earl Grey for a morning bracer perhaps? > > > ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/3b8adfa9/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From agamotto@sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 13 23:07:48 2008 From: agamotto@sbcglobal.net (Randolph Murdock III) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:07:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [QCLUG] Followup for the upcoming SAU IT Showcase - people needed In-Reply-To: <65dc1580803121927h1e5d8cb1yed25a255c4261a2a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <88153.98788.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Noah Norris wrote: i also can burn cd's via laptop and may bring a new desktop thats in the works ( might be running by then ) between my systems i can demo some gaming in linux ( quake4 doom3 wine-wow ) i can demo VM-ware stuff too .... i can demo compiz Great, that means that at least two people who understand Compiz will be there to play with it and show it off! ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/7a842255/attachment.htm From volunteer@revealed.net Tue Mar 18 16:52:23 2008 From: volunteer@revealed.net (Jim Hall) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:52:23 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Followup for the upcoming SAU IT Showcase - people needed References: <88153.98788.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <47DA64C2.3000707@rm-jones.com> Message-ID: <47DFF347.2010901@revealed.net> Robert Jones wrote: > I would like to come down and see the demo's if I can get away. The > problem is, I don't think I would be much help to the group since I'm so > new at Linux. I could bring my laptop to make copies but it has Vista > (spit spit) in it and you may not want it around. > > Are QCLUG members welcome as visitors? If so, can someone tell me when > and where it will be? > > Thanks > Bob Jones > > Randolph Murdock III wrote: > >> >> >> */Noah Norris /* wrote: >> >> i also can burn cd's via laptop and may bring a new desktop thats >> in the works ( might be running by then ) >> >> between my systems i can demo some gaming in linux ( quake4 doom3 >> wine-wow ) >> i can demo VM-ware stuff too .... >> i can demo compiz >> >> Great, that means that at least two people who understand Compiz >> will be there to play with it and show it off! >> >> Actually, having that as a side-by-side demo might be very, shall we say, informative. Go ahead and bring it, please! Jim From volunteer.jim@gmail.com Tue Mar 18 19:54:47 2008 From: volunteer.jim@gmail.com (Jim Hall) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:54:47 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] IT Showcase Update 3 In-Reply-To: <569069.88860.qm@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <997c8c1b0803121131k46de51afsf42d35c25cfb2d49@mail.gmail.com> <569069.88860.qm@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <997c8c1b0803181254q3b5467d0ndcf66b689e98f825@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 8:07 PM, Randolph Murdock III < agamotto@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > *Jim Hall * wrote: > > > {snippity snip snip snip} > > > > Sadly, I can only be available until about 2PM. If that's ok I'll be glad > to come. > > Jim > > That would be great, as I had assumed you had Holy > Week observances for the whole day. The more, the merrier. Jim, if you > wouldn't mind, bring those little table signs you made for the meetings, and > whatever else that you won't have too much trouble shuffing into the van. I > can help you get the stuff out of the van once you arrive. > > Actually, I may be the one helping because I can walk there. And Mark agreed to print some more tabletop things for us. Jim ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/d92f22ae/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From volunteer.jim@gmail.com Tue Mar 18 19:57:36 2008 From: volunteer.jim@gmail.com (Jim Hall) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:57:36 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Fwd: St. Ambrose University - Technology Showcase In-Reply-To: <19F480C398D99E46A6F6CC96E87AA977047D1DB8@sauexbe1.ambrose.sau.edu> References: <19F480C398D99E46A6F6CC96E87AA977047D1DB8@sauexbe1.ambrose.sau.edu> Message-ID: <997c8c1b0803181257w58e6f163t7093512d5ee84ec@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Don't forget to check the map link below. Jim ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Kozlowski Derek Date: 2008/3/18 Subject: St. Ambrose University - Technology Showcase To: SAUIT Booth Occupants and presenters, I would like to thank everyone for participating in the SAU Information Technology Showcase. I just wanted to send everyone a quick note on what t= o expect for tomorrows events. *Contact Info* If you need to get a hold of me for any reason please use the following contact info. I will keep the cell on me today and tomorrow, please don't leave voicemail. If I can't be reached try again or shoot me an email if i= t is not time critical By Cellphone =96 563.528.1028 By Email =96 kozlowskiderek@sau.edu You can also contact Lori Brown at the main IT office if I am not available =96 563.333.6368 Each booth occupant will have a table with a power strip and network cable. Those that have made special requests for other equipment will find them at your booth at setup time. Booth setup time is scheduled to take place at 8am-10am on Wednesday March 19th. Wireless is available in the building an= d will be configured at your request on the day of the showcase. Please note that each booth will only be provided a single network cable, if more are needed please take advantage of our wireless or bring in your own switch. Each vendor is expected to bring their own equipment, brochures, business cards or documentation unless otherwise arranged. If any assistance is needed in setup, or if you have any other requests please contact me to mak= e arrangements. A few carts will be available in the morning to bring in equipment. *Parking* =96 Included below is a pdf of the Campus Parking Map. Arrangeme= nts have been made with the security department for temporary passes to be distributed to vendors, you can pick these up at the welcome booth (First booth as you walk into the Rogalski Ballroom). Please use the faculty/staf= f parking lot numbered 5. This is the lot closest staff lot to the Rogalski Center labeled L. You will find the lot on the North Side of campus accessible from W. Lombard Street. You may want to arrive slightly before = 8 to get a good spot. http://www.sau.edu/generalinfo/maps/SAUmap.pdf Table Assignments 1 - Dell 2 - Cisco 3 - SAU Network Services 4 - QCLUG 5 - SAU Computer Science Club 6 - Admin Services 7 - SGA 8 - NeoComputers 9 - Verizon 10 - CPR 11 - QCMUG 12 - Pratt 13 - Art 14 - Video Games etc 15 - Apple 16 - Office Max/HP 17 - Blackboard 18 - Service Desk 19 - IT Director Presentation Schedule Start Time Room Presenter Company Topic 11:20 AM Room B Randy QCLUG Mythbuntu - Homebrew Television/Media DVR (Linux/OSS) 11:40 AM Room C Stan Ethington Apple Podcasting in Higher Education 12:00 PM Room A Turning Point Turning Point - Interactive Classroom Responses 12:20 PM Room B Jim Hall QCLUG Wine / Linux Gaming and Using Windows Applications in Linux 12:40 PM Room C Chad Verizon Verizon - Text Messenging and Wireless Connectivity 1:00 PM Room A Tom Hill Faculty Lego Mindstorm Robotics 1:20 PM Room B Chad Verizon Verizon - Text Messenging and Wireless Connectivity 1:40 PM Room C Tom Steffen Cisco VOIP 2:00 PM Room A Bill Campbell Faculty Music and Technology 2:20 PM Room B Kristin Elluminate Elluminate Demonstration 2:40 PM Room C Randy QCLUG Mythbuntu - Homebrew Television/Media DVR (Linux/OSS) 3:00 PM Room A Stan Ethington Apple Dual Boot Macintoshes: Running multiple operating systems on one computer. 3:20 PM Room B Andy Laake Dell Convertible Notebook, Windows Journal, Digital Inking, & One Note 4:00 PM Room A Mark McGinn Faculty Computer Forensics and Data Recovery Thanks, - Derek Derek Kozlowski Lab Manager Information Technology St. Ambrose University No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1333 - Release Date: 3/18/2008 8:10 AM ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/cf28309c/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From volunteer@revealed.net Tue Mar 18 20:52:10 2008 From: volunteer@revealed.net (Jim Hall) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:52:10 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] SAU for Wednesday Message-ID: <47E02B7A.3090403@revealed.net> If someone has a switch we can use at our table "just in case" please bring it. Thanks, Jim From derek.kozlowski@gmail.com Tue Mar 18 20:22:31 2008 From: derek.kozlowski@gmail.com (Derek Kozlowski) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:22:31 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] IT Showcase Presentations Message-ID: Feel free to attend the other presentations that we have going on throughout the day. I am sure some of them may be quite interesting. From Robert@RM-Jones.com Tue Mar 18 21:45:03 2008 From: Robert@RM-Jones.com (Robert Jones) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:45:03 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Followup for the upcoming SAU IT Showcase - people needed In-Reply-To: <47DFF347.2010901@revealed.net> References: <88153.98788.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <47DA64C2.3000707@rm-jones.com> <47DFF347.2010901@revealed.net> Message-ID: <47E037DF.103@RM-Jones.com> I just got my Linux box back up and running so I could read my mail. I'll be there tomorrow with my laptop. See you there. Bob Jones Jim Hall wrote: > Robert Jones wrote: >> I would like to come down and see the demo's if I can get away. The >> problem is, I don't think I would be much help to the group since I'm >> so new at Linux. I could bring my laptop to make copies but it has >> Vista (spit spit) in it and you may not want it around. >> >> Are QCLUG members welcome as visitors? If so, can someone tell me >> when and where it will be? >> >> Thanks >> Bob Jones >> >> Randolph Murdock III wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> */Noah Norris /* wrote: >>> >>> i also can burn cd's via laptop and may bring a new desktop thats >>> in the works ( might be running by then ) >>> >>> between my systems i can demo some gaming in linux ( quake4 doom3 >>> wine-wow ) >>> i can demo VM-ware stuff too .... >>> i can demo compiz >>> Great, that means that at least two people who understand >>> Compiz >>> will be there to play with it and show it off! >>> > > > Actually, having that as a side-by-side demo might be very, shall we > say, informative. Go ahead and bring it, please! > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > From preludelinux@gmail.com Wed Mar 19 12:40:27 2008 From: preludelinux@gmail.com (Noah Norris) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:40:27 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Followup for the upcoming SAU IT Showcase - people needed In-Reply-To: <47E037DF.103@RM-Jones.com> References: <88153.98788.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <47DA64C2.3000707@rm-jones.com> <47DFF347.2010901@revealed.net> <47E037DF.103@RM-Jones.com> Message-ID: <65dc1580803190540n27f4c75dy277bf71d76e136a7@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Ok i will be heading out at about 8AM. I'm bringing my laptop and my newly built computer (computer was built friday last week ... its pretty over kill for a linux box) Both can Burn iso images ( need cd's can bring some dvd for ubuntu full dvd installer) The desktop is running compiz and some games .. as much thing i could get working within the time frame ive had. On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Robert Jones wrote: > I just got my Linux box back up and running so I could read my mail. > I'll be there tomorrow with my laptop. See you there. > Bob Jones > > Jim Hall wrote: > > Robert Jones wrote: > >> I would like to come down and see the demo's if I can get away. The > >> problem is, I don't think I would be much help to the group since I'm > >> so new at Linux. I could bring my laptop to make copies but it has > >> Vista (spit spit) in it and you may not want it around. > >> > >> Are QCLUG members welcome as visitors? If so, can someone tell me > >> when and where it will be? > >> > >> Thanks > >> Bob Jones > >> > >> Randolph Murdock III wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> */Noah Norris /* wrote: > >>> > >>> i also can burn cd's via laptop and may bring a new desktop thats > >>> in the works ( might be running by then ) > >>> > >>> between my systems i can demo some gaming in linux ( quake4 doom3 > >>> wine-wow ) > >>> i can demo VM-ware stuff too .... > >>> i can demo compiz > >>> Great, that means that at least two people who understand > >>> Compiz > >>> will be there to play with it and show it off! > >>> > > > > > > Actually, having that as a side-by-side demo might be very, shall we > > say, informative. Go ahead and bring it, please! > > > > Jim > > > > _______________________________________________ > > QCLUG mailing list > > QCLUG@qclug.org > > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/7913f980/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From preludelinux@gmail.com Thu Mar 20 11:10:18 2008 From: preludelinux@gmail.com (Noah Norris) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 06:10:18 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] SAU Demo Message-ID: <65dc1580803200410g73b1294ek4d023d3a737525fa@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment I think are little demo went very well. Hopefully we sparked some interests in linux or at least planted the idea of there being something else besides windows. Perhaps next time we can be more prepared or giving more notice maybe i can make some nice impress presentations that can be used in these kind of last minute things. Mark could you make a nice impress template possible with some nice 3d art ? ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/27b16c20/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From preludelinux@gmail.com Thu Mar 20 11:33:34 2008 From: preludelinux@gmail.com (Noah Norris) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 06:33:34 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] core2quad build Message-ID: <65dc1580803200433t4b6f28d4oaea21aa6c57f687@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment For those that made it to the event i brought my box i just built firday last week Core2quad 8 Gb - Ram SLI 8800 GT 512 Mb video cards 500 Gb sata Hd Case with plenty of fans (8+1ps fan) 650/750 watt Ps (suppose to be sli certified ... ) I have been getting random reboots on this box for some reason. the first time it happened was 48 hours after i got the machine it happened twice during the demo. and when i got home it also happen but pretty much 30mins-1hour. According to lm-sensors the 4 cores under full load can run between 58C-50C with there being up to 8 Degree flux between the cores. ( i plan to get some new heat sink grease and another Heat sink fan ) ( due to these processor running pretty hot to begin with this might be normal ) So this could be a heat issue. yet it seems to random and could run some pretty intense programs like folding @home 64bit smp version .... and games just fine ) Power could also be the problem ....... ( so once i got home i pulled one of the 8800 GT in SLI out gona test this for a couple days ) .... off to get a 1kw power supply if this is the problem or at least a supply with 2x 30amp 12v rails Could also be a problem witth SLI and nvidia driver. i did set option SLI=0 to disable it and it still rebooted ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/c4c63a3d/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From wakecycle@gmail.com Sat Mar 22 20:01:43 2008 From: wakecycle@gmail.com (Brent Wyatt) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:01:43 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] core2quad build In-Reply-To: <65dc1580803200433t4b6f28d4oaea21aa6c57f687@mail.gmail.com> References: <65dc1580803200433t4b6f28d4oaea21aa6c57f687@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3fc351330803221301s35efb3c6s706fd4263eb509f@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Hi I'm just new so I hope it's alright for me to respond. Sounds like you have a nice set up Noah. Sounds like you've moved it around a lot too. You check all that ram you have? You must have, What? 4, 2gig ram sticks in that beast. At least 2, 4 gig chips (they make those?) One of them could be just not quite seated right. Then maybe even mem-test them with an ubuntu live cd (for example), to make sure you didn't get a bad one. Making sure your video cards are all playing nice is a possibility too, so I agree with you testing there also. 58c doesn't seem excessive for your cpu's and the difference in temps is common, but it never hurts to chill them as much as you can afford too. I would think the power supply you have would be sufficient for what you've described as your set up. Just my humble opinion. brent On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 6:33 AM, Noah Norris wrote: > For those that made it to the event i brought my box i just built firday > last week > Core2quad > 8 Gb - Ram > SLI 8800 GT 512 Mb video cards > 500 Gb sata Hd > Case with plenty of fans (8+1ps fan) > 650/750 watt Ps (suppose to be sli certified ... ) > > > I have been getting random reboots on this box for some reason. > the first time it happened was 48 hours after i got the machine it > happened twice during the demo. > and when i got home it also happen but pretty much 30mins-1hour. > > According to lm-sensors the 4 cores under full load can run between > 58C-50C with there being up to 8 Degree flux > between the cores. ( i plan to get some new heat sink grease and another > Heat sink fan ) ( due to these processor > running pretty hot to begin with this might be normal ) So this could be > a heat issue. yet it seems to random and > could run some pretty intense programs like folding @home 64bit smp > version .... and games just fine ) > > Power could also be the problem ....... ( so once i got home i pulled one > of the 8800 GT in SLI out gona test this for a couple days ) > .... off to get a 1kw power supply if this is the problem or at least a > supply with 2x 30amp 12v rails > > Could also be a problem witth SLI and nvidia driver. i did set option > SLI=0 to disable it and it still rebooted > ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/869c4345/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From preludelinux@gmail.com Sun Mar 23 09:55:36 2008 From: preludelinux@gmail.com (Noah Norris) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 04:55:36 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] core2quad build In-Reply-To: <3fc351330803221301s35efb3c6s706fd4263eb509f@mail.gmail.com> References: <65dc1580803200433t4b6f28d4oaea21aa6c57f687@mail.gmail.com> <3fc351330803221301s35efb3c6s706fd4263eb509f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <65dc1580803230255y6934041k3d6a8eb381b46e7b@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Oddly enough i seemed to fix the problem by installing the chipset fan to the Mother Board. ( The fan has a big sticker with a warning only to install with passive cooling or water cooling or may damage your system ........ ) after installing this fan chipset stays at 42 C and proccessor stays 52-54 C ( full load) case temp @23 C also made sure that the MB did not comtrol any fan settings and that they where always on (during the demo @sau i encountered some weird problems with networking taking forever and apps just stalling when they needed network access this could of been the chipset overheating ) ( Been running folding@home 6 beta 2 -smp now for 48 hours this program is made for 4 cores or more too) Also it dont matter how new you are we dont have posting requirements really this mailling list is open to any linux user. even if you have been using linux for 15 years or 15 seconds ^^ thinking monday im gona retry the sli setup which could of been straining the chipset not the power supply. On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Brent Wyatt wrote: > Hi I'm just new so I hope it's alright for me to respond. Sounds like you > have a nice set up Noah. Sounds like you've moved it around a lot too. You > check all that ram you have? You must have, What? 4, 2gig ram sticks in > that beast. At least 2, 4 gig chips (they make those?) One of them could > be just not quite seated right. Then maybe even mem-test them with an > ubuntu live cd (for example), to make sure you didn't get a bad one. > Making sure your video cards are all playing nice is a possibility > too, so I agree with you testing there also. > 58c doesn't seem excessive for your cpu's and the difference in temps > is common, but it never hurts to chill them as much as you can afford too. > I would think the power supply you have would be sufficient for what > you've described as your set up. Just my humble opinion. brent > > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 6:33 AM, Noah Norris > wrote: > > > For those that made it to the event i brought my box i just built firday > > last week > > Core2quad > > 8 Gb - Ram > > SLI 8800 GT 512 Mb video cards > > 500 Gb sata Hd > > Case with plenty of fans (8+1ps fan) > > 650/750 watt Ps (suppose to be sli certified ... ) > > > > > > I have been getting random reboots on this box for some reason. > > the first time it happened was 48 hours after i got the machine it > > happened twice during the demo. > > and when i got home it also happen but pretty much 30mins-1hour. > > > > According to lm-sensors the 4 cores under full load can run between > > 58C-50C with there being up to 8 Degree flux > > between the cores. ( i plan to get some new heat sink grease and another > > Heat sink fan ) ( due to these processor > > running pretty hot to begin with this might be normal ) So this could > > be a heat issue. yet it seems to random and > > could run some pretty intense programs like folding @home 64bit smp > > version .... and games just fine ) > > > > Power could also be the problem ....... ( so once i got home i pulled > > one of the 8800 GT in SLI out gona test this for a couple days ) > > .... off to get a 1kw power supply if this is the problem or at least a > > supply with 2x 30amp 12v rails > > > > Could also be a problem witth SLI and nvidia driver. i did set option > > SLI=0 to disable it and it still rebooted > > > > ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Those interested.. http://apps.facebook.com/sudokusolver/ For non-facebook users: http://www.sudoku-solver.net/ Regards Deepan From preludelinux@gmail.com Mon Mar 24 11:30:18 2008 From: preludelinux@gmail.com (Noah Norris) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 06:30:18 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] core2quad build In-Reply-To: <65dc1580803230255y6934041k3d6a8eb381b46e7b@mail.gmail.com> References: <65dc1580803200433t4b6f28d4oaea21aa6c57f687@mail.gmail.com> <3fc351330803221301s35efb3c6s706fd4263eb509f@mail.gmail.com> <65dc1580803230255y6934041k3d6a8eb381b46e7b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <65dc1580803240430t194ddb0dg21c107ac35907f9e@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Well idk but each 8800GT per nvidia should have 26 amp 12V+ and double that in sli my power supply supplies 2x20amp +12V rails but nvidia tends to over due there requirements now. good news 3rd day running without any weird issues. running amarok , FAH6 -smp , firefox with too many tabs open (nice seems firefox is 64bit yet uses a wrapper program that runs 32bit flash) now it seems my laptop might be heading south .... getting hard locks with some weird ATA command errors but it seems networking stops working too at times at first i thought a sata drive issue with one of the 2 sata drives on the laptop but combined with networking errors and random hard freezes , seems to happen more if i use wifi ( its an intel 3XXX not an 4XXX series card ) everytime i reboot or shutdown i get network-manager (ubuntu) crashes , perhapes some of this could be from upgrading from 7.06 > 7.10 ? ..... seems might be another heat problem anyway .... guess i will have to reproduce them in windows .... send to dell to repair On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 4:55 AM, Noah Norris wrote: > Oddly enough i seemed to fix the problem by installing the chipset fan to > the Mother Board. > ( The fan has a big sticker with a warning only to install with passive > cooling or water cooling or may damage your system ........ ) > after installing this fan chipset stays at 42 C and proccessor stays 52-54 > C ( full load) case temp @23 C also made sure that the MB did not comtrol > any fan settings and that they where always on (during the demo @sau i > encountered some weird problems with networking taking forever and apps just > stalling when they needed network access this could of been the chipset > overheating ) > ( Been running folding@home 6 beta 2 -smp now for 48 hours this program is > made for 4 cores or more too) > > Also it dont matter how new you are we dont have posting requirements > really this mailling list is open to any linux user. even if you have been > using linux for 15 years or 15 seconds ^^ > > thinking monday im gona retry the sli setup which could of been straining > the chipset not the power supply. > > > > On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Brent Wyatt wrote: > > > Hi I'm just new so I hope it's alright for me to respond. Sounds like > > you have a nice set up Noah. Sounds like you've moved it around a lot too. > > You check all that ram you have? You must have, What? 4, 2gig ram sticks in > > that beast. At least 2, 4 gig chips (they make those?) One of them could > > be just not quite seated right. Then maybe even mem-test them with an > > ubuntu live cd (for example), to make sure you didn't get a bad one. > > Making sure your video cards are all playing nice is a possibility > > too, so I agree with you testing there also. > > 58c doesn't seem excessive for your cpu's and the difference in > > temps is common, but it never hurts to chill them as much as you can afford > > too. > > I would think the power supply you have would be sufficient for what > > you've described as your set up. Just my humble opinion. brent > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 6:33 AM, Noah Norris > > wrote: > > > > > For those that made it to the event i brought my box i just built > > > firday last week > > > Core2quad > > > 8 Gb - Ram > > > SLI 8800 GT 512 Mb video cards > > > 500 Gb sata Hd > > > Case with plenty of fans (8+1ps fan) > > > 650/750 watt Ps (suppose to be sli certified ... ) > > > > > > > > > I have been getting random reboots on this box for some reason. > > > the first time it happened was 48 hours after i got the machine it > > > happened twice during the demo. > > > and when i got home it also happen but pretty much 30mins-1hour. > > > > > > According to lm-sensors the 4 cores under full load can run between > > > 58C-50C with there being up to 8 Degree flux > > > between the cores. ( i plan to get some new heat sink grease and > > > another Heat sink fan ) ( due to these processor > > > running pretty hot to begin with this might be normal ) So this could > > > be a heat issue. yet it seems to random and > > > could run some pretty intense programs like folding @home 64bit smp > > > version .... and games just fine ) > > > > > > Power could also be the problem ....... ( so once i got home i pulled > > > one of the 8800 GT in SLI out gona test this for a couple days ) > > > .... off to get a 1kw power supply if this is the problem or at least > > > a supply with 2x 30amp 12v rails > > > > > > Could also be a problem witth SLI and nvidia driver. i did set option > > > SLI=0 to disable it and it still rebooted > > > > > > > > ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/60fdc87f/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From preludelinux@gmail.com Mon Mar 24 13:15:09 2008 From: preludelinux@gmail.com (Noah Norris) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 08:15:09 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] core2quad build In-Reply-To: <65dc1580803240430t194ddb0dg21c107ac35907f9e@mail.gmail.com> References: <65dc1580803200433t4b6f28d4oaea21aa6c57f687@mail.gmail.com> <3fc351330803221301s35efb3c6s706fd4263eb509f@mail.gmail.com> <65dc1580803230255y6934041k3d6a8eb381b46e7b@mail.gmail.com> <65dc1580803240430t194ddb0dg21c107ac35907f9e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <65dc1580803240615u316d0c60g38fd2b2972fa2ef6@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment oops correction my power supply has a +12voltx2 of 22ampsx2 or 44amps total for the +12 volt rail On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 6:30 AM, Noah Norris wrote: > Well idk but each 8800GT per nvidia should have 26 amp 12V+ and double > that in sli > my power supply supplies 2x20amp +12V rails but nvidia tends to over due > there requirements now. > > good news 3rd day running without any weird issues. running amarok , FAH6 > -smp , firefox with too many tabs open (nice seems firefox is 64bit yet uses > a wrapper program that runs 32bit flash) > > now it seems my laptop might be heading south .... getting hard locks with > some weird ATA command errors but it seems networking stops working too at > times at first i thought a sata drive issue with one of the 2 sata drives on > the laptop but combined with networking errors and random hard freezes , > seems to happen more if i use wifi ( its an intel 3XXX not an 4XXX series > card ) everytime i reboot or shutdown i get network-manager (ubuntu) crashes > , perhapes some of this could be from upgrading from 7.06 > 7.10 ? ..... > seems might be another heat problem anyway .... guess i will have to > reproduce them in windows .... send to dell to repair > > On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 4:55 AM, Noah Norris > wrote: > > > Oddly enough i seemed to fix the problem by installing the chipset fan > > to the Mother Board. > > ( The fan has a big sticker with a warning only to install with passive > > cooling or water cooling or may damage your system ........ ) > > after installing this fan chipset stays at 42 C and proccessor stays > > 52-54 C ( full load) case temp @23 C also made sure that the MB did not > > comtrol any fan settings and that they where always on (during the demo > > @sau i encountered some weird problems with networking taking forever and > > apps just stalling when they needed network access this could of been the > > chipset overheating ) > > ( Been running folding@home 6 beta 2 -smp now for 48 hours this program > > is made for 4 cores or more too) > > > > Also it dont matter how new you are we dont have posting requirements > > really this mailling list is open to any linux user. even if you have been > > using linux for 15 years or 15 seconds ^^ > > > > thinking monday im gona retry the sli setup which could of been > > straining the chipset not the power supply. > > > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Brent Wyatt > > wrote: > > > > > Hi I'm just new so I hope it's alright for me to respond. Sounds like > > > you have a nice set up Noah. Sounds like you've moved it around a lot too. > > > You check all that ram you have? You must have, What? 4, 2gig ram sticks in > > > that beast. At least 2, 4 gig chips (they make those?) One of them could > > > be just not quite seated right. Then maybe even mem-test them with an > > > ubuntu live cd (for example), to make sure you didn't get a bad one. > > > Making sure your video cards are all playing nice is a possibility > > > too, so I agree with you testing there also. > > > 58c doesn't seem excessive for your cpu's and the difference in > > > temps is common, but it never hurts to chill them as much as you can afford > > > too. > > > I would think the power supply you have would be sufficient for > > > what you've described as your set up. Just my humble opinion. brent > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 6:33 AM, Noah Norris > > > wrote: > > > > > > > For those that made it to the event i brought my box i just built > > > > firday last week > > > > Core2quad > > > > 8 Gb - Ram > > > > SLI 8800 GT 512 Mb video cards > > > > 500 Gb sata Hd > > > > Case with plenty of fans (8+1ps fan) > > > > 650/750 watt Ps (suppose to be sli certified ... ) > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been getting random reboots on this box for some reason. > > > > the first time it happened was 48 hours after i got the machine it > > > > happened twice during the demo. > > > > and when i got home it also happen but pretty much 30mins-1hour. > > > > > > > > According to lm-sensors the 4 cores under full load can run between > > > > 58C-50C with there being up to 8 Degree flux > > > > between the cores. ( i plan to get some new heat sink grease and > > > > another Heat sink fan ) ( due to these processor > > > > running pretty hot to begin with this might be normal ) So this > > > > could be a heat issue. yet it seems to random and > > > > could run some pretty intense programs like folding @home 64bit smp > > > > version .... and games just fine ) > > > > > > > > Power could also be the problem ....... ( so once i got home i > > > > pulled one of the 8800 GT in SLI out gona test this for a couple days ) > > > > .... off to get a 1kw power supply if this is the problem or at > > > > least a supply with 2x 30amp 12v rails > > > > > > > > Could also be a problem witth SLI and nvidia driver. i did set > > > > option SLI=0 to disable it and it still rebooted > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/d7eeb4ed/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From culley.smith@gmail.com Mon Mar 24 14:05:39 2008 From: culley.smith@gmail.com (Culley Smith) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:05:39 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] core2quad build In-Reply-To: <65dc1580803200433t4b6f28d4oaea21aa6c57f687@mail.gmail.com> References: <65dc1580803200433t4b6f28d4oaea21aa6c57f687@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <893089ec0803240705o437781d4r288ef029cf5aef65@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Hey, I'm new too. I tried to send a message through last week, but it didn't go through. I was just going to pop in here and say I too receive several network errors when rebooting and shutting down Ubuntu. II've had these network errors in 7.04 - 8.04 versions of Ubuntu. Been there consistently on three or four very different machines that I've installed. I should do some digging in Ubuntu's bug-tracker, but as it hasn't seemed to cause me any noticeable problems, I've left it alone. The only thing I've noticed is my computer occasionally hangs up and stops during the shutdown process, but always loads just fine. --- In case my first email didn't get through, I wanted to give a brief bio on myself: Name is Culley Smith. Live in East Moline and work for the Prairie Area Library System. I'm the "web dude" here. I run a Windows 2003 Server, Ubuntu 7.10 Server, and a Fedora 4 server. At home, I'm running Ubuntu Desktop (7.10) and Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy on a laptop. I push open source as an option for libraries all of the time and spent some time helping one library director tweak Xandros on her Asus Eee PC last week. Culley On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 6:33 AM, Noah Norris wrote: > For those that made it to the event i brought my box i just built firday > last week > Core2quad > 8 Gb - Ram > SLI 8800 GT 512 Mb video cards > 500 Gb sata Hd > Case with plenty of fans (8+1ps fan) > 650/750 watt Ps (suppose to be sli certified ... ) > > > I have been getting random reboots on this box for some reason. > the first time it happened was 48 hours after i got the machine it > happened twice during the demo. > and when i got home it also happen but pretty much 30mins-1hour. > > According to lm-sensors the 4 cores under full load can run between > 58C-50C with there being up to 8 Degree flux > between the cores. ( i plan to get some new heat sink grease and another > Heat sink fan ) ( due to these processor > running pretty hot to begin with this might be normal ) So this could be > a heat issue. yet it seems to random and > could run some pretty intense programs like folding @home 64bit smp > version .... and games just fine ) > > Power could also be the problem ....... ( so once i got home i pulled one > of the 8800 GT in SLI out gona test this for a couple days ) > .... off to get a 1kw power supply if this is the problem or at least a > supply with 2x 30amp 12v rails > > Could also be a problem witth SLI and nvidia driver. i did set option > SLI=0 to disable it and it still rebooted > ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/3df2d994/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From volunteer@revealed.net Tue Mar 25 16:08:35 2008 From: volunteer@revealed.net (Jim Hall) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:08:35 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] core2quad build References: <65dc1580803200433t4b6f28d4oaea21aa6c57f687@mail.gmail.com> <893089ec0803240705o437781d4r288ef029cf5aef65@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47E92383.2060900@revealed.net> Culley Smith wrote: > Hey, I?m new too. I tried to send a message through last week, but it > didn?t go through. > > I was just going to pop in here and say I too receive several network > errors when rebooting and shutting down Ubuntu. II?ve had these network > errors in 7.04 - 8.04 versions of Ubuntu. Been there consistently on > three or four very different machines that I?ve installed. I should do > some digging in Ubuntu?s bug-tracker, but as it hasn?t seemed to cause > me any noticeable problems, I?ve left it alone. The only thing I?ve > noticed is my computer occasionally hangs up and stops during the > shutdown process, but always loads just fine. > > --- > > In case my first email didn?t get through, I wanted to give a brief bio > on myself: > > Name is Culley Smith. Live in East Moline and work for the Prairie Area > Library System. I?m the "web dude" here. I run a Windows 2003 Server, > Ubuntu 7.10 Server, and a Fedora 4 server. At home, I?m running Ubuntu > Desktop (7.10) and Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy on a laptop. I push open source as > an option for libraries all of the time and spent some time helping one > library director tweak Xandros on her Asus Eee PC last week. > > Culley > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 6:33 AM, Noah Norris > wrote: > > For those that made it to the event i brought my box i just built > firday last week > Core2quad > 8 Gb - Ram > SLI 8800 GT 512 Mb video cards > 500 Gb sata Hd > Case with plenty of fans (8+1ps fan) > 650/750 watt Ps (suppose to be sli certified ... ) > > > I have been getting random reboots on this box for some reason. > the first time it happened was 48 hours after i got the machine it > happened twice during the demo. > and when i got home it also happen but pretty much 30mins-1hour. > > According to lm-sensors the 4 cores under full load can run between > 58C-50C with there being up to 8 Degree flux > between the cores. ( i plan to get some new heat sink grease and > another Heat sink fan ) ( due to these processor > running pretty hot to begin with this might be normal ) So this > could be a heat issue. yet it seems to random and > could run some pretty intense programs like folding @home 64bit smp > version .... and games just fine ) > > Power could also be the problem ....... ( so once i got home i > pulled one of the 8800 GT in SLI out gona test this for a couple days ) > .... off to get a 1kw power supply if this is the problem or at > least a supply with 2x 30amp 12v rails > > Could also be a problem witth SLI and nvidia driver. i did set > option SLI=0 to disable it and it still rebooted > > Welcome to the LUG, Culley. Jim From mriedesel@gmail.com Tue Mar 25 19:03:30 2008 From: mriedesel@gmail.com (Mark Riedesel) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:03:30 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] core2quad build In-Reply-To: <47E92383.2060900@revealed.net> References: <65dc1580803200433t4b6f28d4oaea21aa6c57f687@mail.gmail.com> <893089ec0803240705o437781d4r288ef029cf5aef65@mail.gmail.com> <47E92383.2060900@revealed.net> Message-ID: <1c9537490803251203i63201cd5w9246299f198cf0b0@mail.gmail.com> > Welcome to the LUG, Culley. > > Jim > Welcome to Brent as well! Mark From jmkris@gmail.com Tue Mar 25 19:46:54 2008 From: jmkris@gmail.com (Jim Kristan) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:46:54 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] core2quad build In-Reply-To: <1c9537490803251203i63201cd5w9246299f198cf0b0@mail.gmail.com> References: <65dc1580803200433t4b6f28d4oaea21aa6c57f687@mail.gmail.com> <893089ec0803240705o437781d4r288ef029cf5aef65@mail.gmail.com> <47E92383.2060900@revealed.net> <1c9537490803251203i63201cd5w9246299f198cf0b0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Ditto welcome to Brent and Culley. Culley what was your impression of the Eee PC? Jim Kristan On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 2:03 PM, Mark Riedesel wrote: > > Welcome to the LUG, Culley. > > > > Jim > > > > Welcome to Brent as well! > > Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > From preludelinux@gmail.com Tue Mar 25 20:13:32 2008 From: preludelinux@gmail.com (Noah Norris) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:13:32 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] core2quad build In-Reply-To: References: <65dc1580803200433t4b6f28d4oaea21aa6c57f687@mail.gmail.com> <893089ec0803240705o437781d4r288ef029cf5aef65@mail.gmail.com> <47E92383.2060900@revealed.net> <1c9537490803251203i63201cd5w9246299f198cf0b0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <65dc1580803251313l71dd75fcwf1963365a644adfb@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment welcome both brent and culley hope you enjoy your time with linux and feel free to strike up a conversation on the mailing list On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Jim Kristan wrote: > Ditto welcome to Brent and Culley. Culley what was your impression of > the Eee PC? > Jim Kristan > > On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 2:03 PM, Mark Riedesel > wrote: > > > Welcome to the LUG, Culley. > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > Welcome to Brent as well! > > > > Mark > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > QCLUG mailing list > > QCLUG@qclug.org > > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I used eeexubuntu at first but prefer the more familiar genome over the xfce desktop. Your friend like hers? I find it to be handy to take along, being so small. Now they are talking about a 8.9" screen coming out on basically the same machine. That is the weakest point on the 700 is it has a smallish screen. I by no means want to give it back, but a 8.9" screen will help the eeepc be a better little machine. brent ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/9744b168/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From jmkris@gmail.com Wed Mar 26 02:41:57 2008 From: jmkris@gmail.com (Jim Kristan) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:41:57 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] core2quad build In-Reply-To: <3fc351330803251920w51256faaw655b027adae04370@mail.gmail.com> References: <65dc1580803200433t4b6f28d4oaea21aa6c57f687@mail.gmail.com> <893089ec0803240705o437781d4r288ef029cf5aef65@mail.gmail.com> <47E92383.2060900@revealed.net> <1c9537490803251203i63201cd5w9246299f198cf0b0@mail.gmail.com> <65dc1580803251313l71dd75fcwf1963365a644adfb@mail.gmail.com> <3fc351330803251920w51256faaw655b027adae04370@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm guessing an eeepc would get a lot of attention at a LUG meeting, I would like to see one. Jim K On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 9:20 PM, Brent Wyatt wrote: > Thanks all for the nice welcome! I have an Eeepc too Culley. I ditched > Xandros for ubuntu after I found the nice how to page to fix my wifi and > shut down glitches. I used eeexubuntu at first but prefer the more familiar > genome over the xfce desktop. Your friend like hers? I find it to be handy > to take along, being so small. Now they are talking about a 8.9" screen > coming out on basically the same machine. That is the weakest point on the > 700 is it has a smallish screen. I by no means want to give it back, but a > 8.9" screen will help the eeepc be a better little machine. brent > > > From culley.smith@gmail.com Wed Mar 26 12:08:55 2008 From: culley.smith@gmail.com (Culley Smith) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 07:08:55 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] core2quad build In-Reply-To: References: <65dc1580803200433t4b6f28d4oaea21aa6c57f687@mail.gmail.com> <893089ec0803240705o437781d4r288ef029cf5aef65@mail.gmail.com> <47E92383.2060900@revealed.net> <1c9537490803251203i63201cd5w9246299f198cf0b0@mail.gmail.com> <65dc1580803251313l71dd75fcwf1963365a644adfb@mail.gmail.com> <3fc351330803251920w51256faaw655b027adae04370@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47ea3cae.1f09360a.7e37.2e2e@mx.google.com> Yeah, I really liked her machine. I did see a hack in some journal recently for installing Xubuntu in place of Xandros. Glad to see you got yours working with a Gnome desktop While it was a bit small when compared to a Notebook, when compared to something like a PDA, I think it would win out. Fit nicely in her purse (and it was a pretty average size purse, not that I'm really an expert on the matter) which was a bonus too. She had added an 8GB card to increase her storage. I think it has 3 USB ports and a VGA port as well? So, if you were so inclined you could hook up an external mouse, keyboard, monitor, external hard-drive, printer... whatever. Thanks for the kind welcomes. Hadn't realized there was even a LUG in the QC until my wife stopped by your table at the Ambrose Tech Fair. -----Original Message----- From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org [mailto:qclug-bounces@qclug.org] On Behalf Of Jim Kristan Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 9:42 PM To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: Re: [QCLUG] core2quad build I'm guessing an eeepc would get a lot of attention at a LUG meeting, I would like to see one. Jim K On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 9:20 PM, Brent Wyatt wrote: > Thanks all for the nice welcome! I have an Eeepc too Culley. I ditched > Xandros for ubuntu after I found the nice how to page to fix my wifi and > shut down glitches. I used eeexubuntu at first but prefer the more familiar > genome over the xfce desktop. Your friend like hers? I find it to be handy > to take along, being so small. Now they are talking about a 8.9" screen > coming out on basically the same machine. That is the weakest point on the > 700 is it has a smallish screen. I by no means want to give it back, but a > 8.9" screen will help the eeepc be a better little machine. brent > > > _______________________________________________ QCLUG mailing list QCLUG@qclug.org http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug From wakecycle@gmail.com Thu Mar 27 12:44:21 2008 From: wakecycle@gmail.com (Brent Wyatt) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:44:21 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] core2quad build In-Reply-To: References: <65dc1580803200433t4b6f28d4oaea21aa6c57f687@mail.gmail.com> <893089ec0803240705o437781d4r288ef029cf5aef65@mail.gmail.com> <47E92383.2060900@revealed.net> <1c9537490803251203i63201cd5w9246299f198cf0b0@mail.gmail.com> <65dc1580803251313l71dd75fcwf1963365a644adfb@mail.gmail.com> <3fc351330803251920w51256faaw655b027adae04370@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3fc351330803270544p45630382r7b308394d676cbef@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Jim K, Well then I'd think there just might be an Eeepc at the next lug meeting. When would that be? First tue. at Panera? Culley, I have a 16 gig sdhc card for mine, had ubuntu running on it in a dual boot set up with Xandros on the 4gig and ubuntu on the 16gig. But ubuntu would get flakey after the machine ran for a while. I'm not sure if it was a heat issue, the fact that it was a sdhc card (asus doesn't 0fficialy sanction sd"hc" cards) or just the operator. So since I was rarely even booting to Xandros I stuck Ubuntu on the 4 gig drive and have been happy ever since. If you haven't found http://www.eeeuser.com/ yet, check it out. It has a great wiki for tweaking Xandros and installing other OS's. I found eeexubuntu and ubuntu how to's there and many other distro's too, was a great resource for me. brent On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 9:41 PM, Jim Kristan wrote: > I'm guessing an eeepc would get a lot of attention at a LUG meeting, I > would like to see one. > Jim K > > On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 9:20 PM, Brent Wyatt wrote: > > Thanks all for the nice welcome! I have an Eeepc too Culley. I ditched > > Xandros for ubuntu after I found the nice how to page to fix my wifi and > > shut down glitches. I used eeexubuntu at first but prefer the more > familiar > > genome over the xfce desktop. Your friend like hers? I find it to be > handy > > to take along, being so small. Now they are talking about a 8.9" screen > > coming out on basically the same machine. That is the weakest point on > the > > 700 is it has a smallish screen. I by no means want to give it back, > but a > > 8.9" screen will help the eeepc be a better little machine. brent > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/3fdfde63/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From jmkris@gmail.com Thu Mar 27 16:35:29 2008 From: jmkris@gmail.com (Jim Kristan) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:35:29 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] core2quad build In-Reply-To: <3fc351330803270544p45630382r7b308394d676cbef@mail.gmail.com> References: <65dc1580803200433t4b6f28d4oaea21aa6c57f687@mail.gmail.com> <893089ec0803240705o437781d4r288ef029cf5aef65@mail.gmail.com> <47E92383.2060900@revealed.net> <1c9537490803251203i63201cd5w9246299f198cf0b0@mail.gmail.com> <65dc1580803251313l71dd75fcwf1963365a644adfb@mail.gmail.com> <3fc351330803251920w51256faaw655b027adae04370@mail.gmail.com> <3fc351330803270544p45630382r7b308394d676cbef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I would like to see an Eee PC in the flesh. I have been watching this blog about the Eee http://asuseeehacks.blogspot.com/ The meeting is actually the second Tuesday http://www.qclug.org/index.php?show=meetings I fear I might like it too much. Jim K On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 7:44 AM, Brent Wyatt wrote: > Jim K, Well then I'd think there just might be an Eeepc at the next lug > meeting. When would that be? First tue. at Panera? > Culley, I have a 16 gig sdhc card for mine, had ubuntu running on it in a > dual boot set up with Xandros on the 4gig and ubuntu on the 16gig. But > ubuntu would get flakey after the machine ran for a while. I'm not sure if > it was a heat issue, the fact that it was a sdhc card (asus doesn't > 0fficialy sanction sd"hc" cards) or just the operator. So since I was > rarely even booting to Xandros I stuck Ubuntu on the 4 gig drive and have > been happy ever since. If you haven't found http://www.eeeuser.com/ yet, > check it out. It has a great wiki for tweaking Xandros and installing other > OS's. I found eeexubuntu and ubuntu how to's there and many other distro's > too, was a great resource for me. brent > > > > On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 9:41 PM, Jim Kristan wrote: > > > > > > > > I'm guessing an eeepc would get a lot of attention at a LUG meeting, I > > would like to see one. > > Jim K > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 9:20 PM, Brent Wyatt wrote: > > > Thanks all for the nice welcome! I have an Eeepc too Culley. I ditched > > > Xandros for ubuntu after I found the nice how to page to fix my wifi and > > > shut down glitches. I used eeexubuntu at first but prefer the more > familiar > > > genome over the xfce desktop. Your friend like hers? I find it to be > handy > > > to take along, being so small. Now they are talking about a 8.9" screen > > > coming out on basically the same machine. That is the weakest point on > the > > > 700 is it has a smallish screen. I by no means want to give it back, > but a > > > 8.9" screen will help the eeepc be a better little machine. brent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > QCLUG mailing list > > QCLUG@qclug.org > > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > > > From Robert@RM-Jones.com Thu Mar 27 20:27:15 2008 From: Robert@RM-Jones.com (Robert Jones) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:27:15 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Partitioning Hard Drive Message-ID: <47EC0323.1060603@RM-Jones.com> I've been playing with Kubuntu 8.04 Beta on my laptop and tried VirtualBox and some other stuff hoping I could get rid of Vista. I don't like VirtualBox so will just have to do a dual boot after all. Oh, Well. Maybe later. I still have a couple of things to look at to see if they work with my GPS or not but my hopes aren't high. Anyway, I will be setting the laptop back up with 7.10 (or waiting for 8.04 in about a month) and need some advice. After my Window Vista is shrunk as far as I can take it I have 65 GB to put Kubuntu in. When I set it up I want to have the "/", "/home" and or course the "swap" on separate "drives". How much of the 65 GB should I assign to the "swap" and "/"? I don't want to crowd them but I don't want to wast space either. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Have A Great Day Bob Jones From nickmiller92@gmail.com Thu Mar 27 21:36:42 2008 From: nickmiller92@gmail.com (Nick Miller) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:36:42 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Partitioning Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <47EC0323.1060603@RM-Jones.com> References: <47EC0323.1060603@RM-Jones.com> Message-ID: <47EC136A.9020104@gmail.com> Robert Jones wrote: > I've been playing with Kubuntu 8.04 Beta on my laptop and tried > VirtualBox and some other stuff hoping I could get rid of Vista. I > don't like VirtualBox so will just have to do a dual boot after all. > Oh, Well. Maybe later. I still have a couple of things to look at to > see if they work with my GPS or not but my hopes aren't high. Anyway, > I will be setting the laptop back up with 7.10 (or waiting for 8.04 in > about a month) and need some advice. After my Window Vista is shrunk > as far as I can take it I have 65 GB to put Kubuntu in. When I set it > up I want to have the "/", "/home" and or course the "swap" on > separate "drives". How much of the 65 GB should I assign to the > "swap" and "/"? I don't want to crowd them but I don't want to wast > space either. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > Have A Great Day > Bob Jones > The swap partition usually only needs around 250mb (if that), from what I understand. Heck, I've gotten away with no swap partition, but it's probably not a good idea from a performance standpoint. - Nick From arronlorenz@gmail.com Thu Mar 27 22:32:35 2008 From: arronlorenz@gmail.com (Arron Lorenz) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:32:35 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Partitioning Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <47EC136A.9020104@gmail.com> References: <47EC0323.1060603@RM-Jones.com> <47EC136A.9020104@gmail.com> Message-ID: <30cf66b30803271532hc7d7b89pb09c8b65507d344@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Rule of thumb for swap on most machines used to be *twice as much swap as you have ram*. IE: 2gb ram = 4gb swap *https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq* Am I still correct in that? On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Nick Miller wrote: > Robert Jones wrote: > > I've been playing with Kubuntu 8.04 Beta on my laptop and tried > > VirtualBox and some other stuff hoping I could get rid of Vista. I > > don't like VirtualBox so will just have to do a dual boot after all. > > Oh, Well. Maybe later. I still have a couple of things to look at to > > see if they work with my GPS or not but my hopes aren't high. Anyway, > > I will be setting the laptop back up with 7.10 (or waiting for 8.04 in > > about a month) and need some advice. After my Window Vista is shrunk > > as far as I can take it I have 65 GB to put Kubuntu in. When I set it > > up I want to have the "/", "/home" and or course the "swap" on > > separate "drives". How much of the 65 GB should I assign to the > > "swap" and "/"? I don't want to crowd them but I don't want to wast > > space either. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Have A Great Day > > Bob Jones > > > > The swap partition usually only needs around 250mb (if that), from what > I understand. Heck, I've gotten away with no swap partition, but it's > probably not a good idea from a performance standpoint. > > - Nick > > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > -- From: Arron James Lorenz Reel to Reel Drive In Reach Global Networks LLC 563-579-7046 ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/62ad4993/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From culley.smith@gmail.com Thu Mar 27 22:53:35 2008 From: culley.smith@gmail.com (Culley Smith) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:53:35 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Partitioning Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <47EC0323.1060603@RM-Jones.com> References: <47EC0323.1060603@RM-Jones.com> Message-ID: <893089ec0803271553q142bca64me8f8a81b5933a9af@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment You might get different suggestions on this. I set up usually about a gig for swap. I guess I could have put /home on a separate partition, but I never have. I'd say you wouldn't need much more than 10 GB for the OS. You can get by with less, too, if you're not planning to install a lot of additional software. Myself, I do a bit of video and web development work, so allowed 40GB for my OS. The rest of my storage is on other mounted devices/partitions. I've been testing Kubuntu (7.10) as well and I just don't like it as much as the Gnome desktop. After two weeks with Kubuntu, I ended up booting back into Gnome. I kept having problems with Dolphin. It crashed on me three or four times a day, sometimes more. I also could never get Adept Manager to work. Don't mind working with apt-get from the command line, but... who knows. Hopefully there will be some improvements in 8.04. I hear you on VirtualBox. I was going to use it for a number of tasks, but the mouse was extremely buggy for me. So, I'll just dual-boot if I need to. The only thing I was needing to even boot into Windows for was to use a Sonicwall VPN Client. I wasn't having much luck with OpenSwan. But, work is buying me a Sonicwall Box, so... for me, I can do just everything else under Wine. Elder Scrolls: Oblivion has good support under Wine and I'm thinking of giving that a try in the next week or so, when things slow down at work. On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Robert Jones wrote: > I've been playing with Kubuntu 8.04 Beta on my laptop and tried > VirtualBox and some other stuff hoping I could get rid of Vista. I don't > like VirtualBox so will just have to do a dual boot after all. Oh, Well. > Maybe later. I still have a couple of things to look at to see if they > work with my GPS or not but my hopes aren't high. Anyway, I will be > setting the laptop back up with 7.10 (or waiting for 8.04 in about a > month) and need some advice. After my Window Vista is shrunk as far as I > can take it I have 65 GB to put Kubuntu in. When I set it up I want to > have the "/", "/home" and or course the "swap" on separate "drives". > How much of the 65 GB should I assign to the "swap" and "/"? I don't > want to crowd them but I don't want to wast space either. Any > suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > Have A Great Day > Bob Jones > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/3e237922/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From Robert@RM-Jones.com Thu Mar 27 22:54:29 2008 From: Robert@RM-Jones.com (Robert Jones) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:54:29 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Partitioning Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <30cf66b30803271532hc7d7b89pb09c8b65507d344@mail.gmail.com> References: <47EC0323.1060603@RM-Jones.com> <47EC136A.9020104@gmail.com> <30cf66b30803271532hc7d7b89pb09c8b65507d344@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47EC25A5.1010507@RM-Jones.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/1bdc7b82/attachment.htm From Robert@RM-Jones.com Thu Mar 27 23:04:08 2008 From: Robert@RM-Jones.com (Robert Jones) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:04:08 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Partitioning Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <893089ec0803271553q142bca64me8f8a81b5933a9af@mail.gmail.com> References: <47EC0323.1060603@RM-Jones.com> <893089ec0803271553q142bca64me8f8a81b5933a9af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47EC27E8.1030406@RM-Jones.com> Culley Smith wrote: > You might get different suggestions on this. I set up usually about a > gig for swap. I guess I could have put /home on a separate partition, > but I never have. I'd say you wouldn't need much more than 10 GB for > the OS. You can get by with less, too, if you're not planning to > install a lot of additional software. It sounds like my 23 GB isn't to far off then. I will do some graphics and maybe work on photos and my web page > I've been testing Kubuntu (7.10) as well and I just don't like it as > much as the Gnome desktop. After two weeks with Kubuntu, I ended up > booting back into Gnome. I (Snip) Don't mind working with > apt-get from the command line, but... who knows. Hopefully there will > be some improvements in 8.04. If you didn't like KDE in 7.10 you will hate KDE4. I can't find anything in it. It is totally different and I had so much problems I started booting into the KDE instead of KDE4. > > I hear you on VirtualBox. I was going to use it for a number of > tasks, but the mouse was extremely buggy for me. So, I'll just > dual-boot if I need to. That's about what I have decided to do. I can't get Garmin MapSource to work in CrossOverLinux and it seems everyone is having the same problem. VirtualBox installs Windows XP fine (had to install it before Vista) but Vista won't install because it isn't where it should be or something. Who know about Vista. But I didn't care for VB anyway so I'll just dual boot. Only problem is that Vista demands so much hard drive space. Thanks for the information. Bob Jones From dmichael.burns@gmail.com Fri Mar 28 00:24:35 2008 From: dmichael.burns@gmail.com (DMichael Burns) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:24:35 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Partitioning Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <47EC27E8.1030406@RM-Jones.com> References: <47EC0323.1060603@RM-Jones.com> <893089ec0803271553q142bca64me8f8a81b5933a9af@mail.gmail.com> <47EC27E8.1030406@RM-Jones.com> Message-ID: ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment I cannot remember if it was in Linux Format or Linux Pro Magazine (I am thinking it is the former instead of the later), but here a couple issues back, the mag did a review of several different virtualization progs for Linux as the host - including Xen. Also, I know that in issue 98 of of Linux Format Magazine, there is a tutorial for installing Virtual Box on an Ubuntu machine. I will dig that issue up and try to get you a copy of the article (if I can). Lastly, in the May issue of Linux Pro Magazine, there is an article on virtualization software. The issue comes out on April 19, but you don't have to wait til then to get a copy of the article. Download the pdf here: http://www.linux-magazine.com/issues/2008/90/going_virtual Michael PS. I haven't had any luck with any of the virtualization programs out there, but then again, I haven't really spent the time necessary to get them up and running. On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 6:04 PM, Robert Jones wrote: > > > Culley Smith wrote: > > You might get different suggestions on this. I set up usually about a > > gig for swap. I guess I could have put /home on a separate partition, > > but I never have. I'd say you wouldn't need much more than 10 GB for > > the OS. You can get by with less, too, if you're not planning to > > install a lot of additional software. > It sounds like my 23 GB isn't to far off then. I will do some graphics > and maybe work on photos and my web page > > I've been testing Kubuntu (7.10) as well and I just don't like it as > > much as the Gnome desktop. After two weeks with Kubuntu, I ended up > > booting back into Gnome. I (Snip) Don't mind working with > > apt-get from the command line, but... who knows. Hopefully there will > > be some improvements in 8.04. > If you didn't like KDE in 7.10 you will hate KDE4. I can't find anything > in it. It is totally different and I had so much problems I started > booting into the KDE instead of KDE4. > > > > I hear you on VirtualBox. I was going to use it for a number of > > tasks, but the mouse was extremely buggy for me. So, I'll just > > dual-boot if I need to. > That's about what I have decided to do. I can't get Garmin MapSource to > work in CrossOverLinux and it seems everyone is having the same problem. > VirtualBox installs Windows XP fine (had to install it before Vista) but > Vista won't install because it isn't where it should be or something. > Who know about Vista. But I didn't care for VB anyway so I'll just dual > boot. Only problem is that Vista demands so much hard drive space. > > Thanks for the information. > Bob Jones > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > -- "Men and women belong to different species and communications between them is still in its infancy." --Bill Cosby, American Comedian ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/2b5016af/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From vorlon@dodds.net Fri Mar 28 00:45:33 2008 From: vorlon@dodds.net (Steve Langasek) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:45:33 -0700 Subject: [QCLUG] Partitioning Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <30cf66b30803271532hc7d7b89pb09c8b65507d344@mail.gmail.com> References: <47EC0323.1060603@RM-Jones.com> <47EC136A.9020104@gmail.com> <30cf66b30803271532hc7d7b89pb09c8b65507d344@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080328004532.GB15496@dario.dodds.net> On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 05:32:35PM -0500, Arron Lorenz wrote: > Rule of thumb for swap on most machines used to be *twice as much swap as > you have ram*. > IE: 2gb ram = 4gb swap > *https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq* As this FAQ notes, it should be *between* 1 and 2 times your available physical memory. The more physical memory you have, the less need you have for extra swap. Unfortunately, the line moves over time as desktop memory usage continues to increase; but for anyone with 1-2GB of physical RAM today, swap == RAM should be sufficient. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developer http://www.debian.org/ slangasek@ubuntu.com vorlon@debian.org From Robert@RM-Jones.com Fri Mar 28 01:32:07 2008 From: Robert@RM-Jones.com (Robert Jones) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:32:07 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Partitioning Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <20080328004532.GB15496@dario.dodds.net> References: <47EC0323.1060603@RM-Jones.com> <47EC136A.9020104@gmail.com> <30cf66b30803271532hc7d7b89pb09c8b65507d344@mail.gmail.com> <20080328004532.GB15496@dario.dodds.net> Message-ID: <47EC4A97.6000803@RM-Jones.com> Thanks to everyone. I decided to go with 3 GB of swap and 22 GB for "/" and am in the process of installing Ubuntu 8.04 Beta. I had lost my sound somehow and couldn't get it back. Also I didn't like KDE4 and just wanted rid of it. I think I'll give Gnome a good try and see how I like it. I'll probably go back to KDE sometime but I want to play until the stable release comes out and then I'll do it all over again just for the FUN of it :-) . I have pretty well given up on the VirtualBox idea. I didn't like it anyhow. I am in the process of researching GPS software that works with Linux and if I can't find what I want I'll look for another GPS that will work with it. Then I can just dump Vista. Thanks to everyone. Have A Great Day (Tomorrow) Bob Jones From leif.theden@gmail.com Fri Mar 28 01:35:32 2008 From: leif.theden@gmail.com (Leif Theden) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:35:32 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Partitioning Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <47EC0323.1060603@RM-Jones.com> References: <47EC0323.1060603@RM-Jones.com> Message-ID: <9a65bf850803271835x73395b8ev90cf403691c042ac@mail.gmail.com> Just my 2 cents, but i have found it to be EXTREMELY (note the emphasis) helpful to make a seperate / and /home partition. If you are like me, i switch distros once in a while, having your /home in a seperate mount will make distro switches infinately easier, because you dont have to worry about wiping your personal files. For example, I just changed from Arch Linux to Ubuntu, and I was able to keep my home directory intact, even though my root ( / ) was completely formatted. Good luck! On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Robert Jones wrote: > I've been playing with Kubuntu 8.04 Beta on my laptop and tried > VirtualBox and some other stuff hoping I could get rid of Vista. I don't > like VirtualBox so will just have to do a dual boot after all. Oh, Well. > Maybe later. I still have a couple of things to look at to see if they > work with my GPS or not but my hopes aren't high. Anyway, I will be > setting the laptop back up with 7.10 (or waiting for 8.04 in about a > month) and need some advice. After my Window Vista is shrunk as far as I > can take it I have 65 GB to put Kubuntu in. When I set it up I want to > have the "/", "/home" and or course the "swap" on separate "drives". > How much of the 65 GB should I assign to the "swap" and "/"? I don't > want to crowd them but I don't want to wast space either. Any > suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > Have A Great Day > Bob Jones > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > From preludelinux@gmail.com Fri Mar 28 02:46:28 2008 From: preludelinux@gmail.com (Noah Norris) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:46:28 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] core2quad build In-Reply-To: References: <65dc1580803200433t4b6f28d4oaea21aa6c57f687@mail.gmail.com> <893089ec0803240705o437781d4r288ef029cf5aef65@mail.gmail.com> <47E92383.2060900@revealed.net> <1c9537490803251203i63201cd5w9246299f198cf0b0@mail.gmail.com> <65dc1580803251313l71dd75fcwf1963365a644adfb@mail.gmail.com> <3fc351330803251920w51256faaw655b027adae04370@mail.gmail.com> <3fc351330803270544p45630382r7b308394d676cbef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <65dc1580803271946r1ad2abcfs30e88e3b487c3389@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment core2quad works perfect upgraded power supply to 950 watt yea!!! On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Jim Kristan wrote: > I would like to see an Eee PC in the flesh. I have been watching this > blog about the Eee > > http://asuseeehacks.blogspot.com/ > > The meeting is actually the second Tuesday > http://www.qclug.org/index.php?show=meetings > > I fear I might like it too much. > Jim K > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 7:44 AM, Brent Wyatt wrote: > > Jim K, Well then I'd think there just might be an Eeepc at the next lug > > meeting. When would that be? First tue. at Panera? > > Culley, I have a 16 gig sdhc card for mine, had ubuntu running on it in > a > > dual boot set up with Xandros on the 4gig and ubuntu on the 16gig. But > > ubuntu would get flakey after the machine ran for a while. I'm not sure > if > > it was a heat issue, the fact that it was a sdhc card (asus doesn't > > 0fficialy sanction sd"hc" cards) or just the operator. So since I was > > rarely even booting to Xandros I stuck Ubuntu on the 4 gig drive and > have > > been happy ever since. If you haven't found http://www.eeeuser.com/ yet, > > check it out. It has a great wiki for tweaking Xandros and installing > other > > OS's. I found eeexubuntu and ubuntu how to's there and many other > distro's > > too, was a great resource for me. brent > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 9:41 PM, Jim Kristan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm guessing an eeepc would get a lot of attention at a LUG meeting, I > > > would like to see one. > > > Jim K > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 9:20 PM, Brent Wyatt > wrote: > > > > Thanks all for the nice welcome! I have an Eeepc too Culley. I > ditched > > > > Xandros for ubuntu after I found the nice how to page to fix my wifi > and > > > > shut down glitches. I used eeexubuntu at first but prefer the more > > familiar > > > > genome over the xfce desktop. Your friend like hers? I find it to > be > > handy > > > > to take along, being so small. Now they are talking about a 8.9" > screen > > > > coming out on basically the same machine. That is the weakest point > on > > the > > > > 700 is it has a smallish screen. I by no means want to give it > back, > > but a > > > > 8.9" screen will help the eeepc be a better little machine. brent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > QCLUG mailing list > > > QCLUG@qclug.org > > > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/5814e5ac/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From QCAdmin@gmail.com Fri Mar 28 03:39:58 2008 From: QCAdmin@gmail.com (Chris Cooper) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:39:58 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Virtual Machines Message-ID: So as to not hijack a perfectly good thread on partition sizes, I decided to post anew some thoughts on the Virtualbox comments brought up. I have recently had a chance to do more research on virtual machines for work, and inside Ubuntu, From my experience VMWare server performs slightly better than virtualbox after you install vmware-tools on the guest-OS. While not open source, it is free from www.vmware.com. The VMWare-tools are deffinately a MUST on the guest. Without the proper VMware mouse and video driver installed, performance is sluggish at best. If you have a processor that supports the virtualization flag, it can make a huge performance gain for a 64-bit guest OS. However, it seems to slow down XP VM's under 7.10. More info on the flag can be found here: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/linux/linux-tip-how-to-tell-if-your-processor-supports-vt/ It is important to note that as of this time, VMWare doesn't have much if any support for virtualizing your 3D card, so trying to game inside a VM isn't real practical. For that, I would stick with wine and cedega. This also means you may notice a big slow down in a Vista VM if you have the Aero interface on. It seems to run decently well with it disabled, though. Another fun use for VM's is trying out Live CD's. I am constantly downloading different Live cd's for various things, so I created a small VM with no hard drive, that I use for trying out a live cd before I burn it. CD-R's are cheap, but it still takes a fair amount of time to burn and reboot just to see what is inside. As for Xen, it doesn't really compete on the same level as Virtualbox and VMware server. Xen is probably one of the fastest of all the virtual machine apps, but it is a hypervisor (a lightweight linux distro who's sole function is to host VM's), and can't be run inside your main environment. It is restricted to 64-bit processors only, and doesn't provide access to the guest VM's from it's console, since it is command line only. However, for hosting multiple VM's on one server, it is great. VMware offers their ESX hypervisor, which has a better tool set, but isn't as efficient at Xen as sharing resources over multiple VM's. TechThrob had a really nice write up comparing VMware Server, Virtualbox, Qemu and Parallels. It lacks some heavy tech specs, but is good reading for people just getting into the whole virtual machine thing. http://www.techthrob.com/tech/linux_virtualization.php --Cooper From arronlorenz@gmail.com Fri Mar 28 04:51:49 2008 From: arronlorenz@gmail.com (Arron Lorenz) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:51:49 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Virtual Machines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <30cf66b30803272151o4509b4cbsd4489df7f3e30be5@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment I've been using VirtualBox as a virtual server for my personal machine. I do like the program over all. For an open source program it has very very close performance to vmware server. Though cooper is correct vmware is still faster. I would like to point out that vmware has released vmware server 2.0beta http://www.vmware.com/beta/server/ It's run using Apache's tomcat appliance server. I do like it's completely headless operation in windows and under linux (I'm using it on ubuntu). You navigate/configure the vm from a web interface 127.0.0.1:8333\ui . The speed over the web interface from across the internet is pretty responsive though I would still use RDP for the connection to the vm. On the downside the vm uses up it's allocated ram, but also the application for me running in Firefox tends to be pretty ram intensive. Well that's my 2 cents. Arron On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 10:39 PM, Chris Cooper wrote: > So as to not hijack a perfectly good thread on partition sizes, I > decided to post anew some thoughts on the Virtualbox comments brought > up. > > I have recently had a chance to do more research on virtual machines > for work, and inside Ubuntu, From my experience VMWare server performs > slightly better than virtualbox after you install vmware-tools on the > guest-OS. While not open source, it is free from www.vmware.com. The > VMWare-tools are deffinately a MUST on the guest. Without the proper > VMware mouse and video driver installed, performance is sluggish at > best. > > If you have a processor that supports the virtualization flag, it can > make a huge performance gain for a 64-bit guest OS. However, it seems > to slow down XP VM's under 7.10. More info on the flag can be found > here: > http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/linux/linux-tip-how-to-tell-if-your-processor-supports-vt/ > > It is important to note that as of this time, VMWare doesn't have much > if any support for virtualizing your 3D card, so trying to game inside > a VM isn't real practical. For that, I would stick with wine and > cedega. This also means you may notice a big slow down in a Vista VM > if you have the Aero interface on. It seems to run decently well with > it disabled, though. > > Another fun use for VM's is trying out Live CD's. I am constantly > downloading different Live cd's for various things, so I created a > small VM with no hard drive, that I use for trying out a live cd > before I burn it. CD-R's are cheap, but it still takes a fair amount > of time to burn and reboot just to see what is inside. > > As for Xen, it doesn't really compete on the same level as Virtualbox > and VMware server. Xen is probably one of the fastest of all the > virtual machine apps, but it is a hypervisor (a lightweight linux > distro who's sole function is to host VM's), and can't be run inside > your main environment. It is restricted to 64-bit processors only, > and doesn't provide access to the guest VM's from it's console, since > it is command line only. However, for hosting multiple VM's on one > server, it is great. VMware offers their ESX hypervisor, which has a > better tool set, but isn't as efficient at Xen as sharing resources > over multiple VM's. > > TechThrob had a really nice write up comparing VMware Server, > Virtualbox, Qemu and Parallels. It lacks some heavy tech specs, but is > good reading for people just getting into the whole virtual machine > thing. > http://www.techthrob.com/tech/linux_virtualization.php > > --Cooper > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > -- From: Arron James Lorenz Reel to Reel Drive In Reach Global Networks LLC 563-579-7046 ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/13e2578f/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From acjohnson@pcdomain.com Fri Mar 28 04:54:16 2008 From: acjohnson@pcdomain.com (Aaron Johnson) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:54:16 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Virtual Machines In-Reply-To: <30cf66b30803272151o4509b4cbsd4489df7f3e30be5@mail.gmail.com> References: <30cf66b30803272151o4509b4cbsd4489df7f3e30be5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000f01c8908f$c763f900$2a00a8c0@pcdomain.local> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Is there a way to make VirtualBox automatically start a VM on boot? I like VirtualBox as it has very good performance but I've never been able to use it as a server replacement for VMWare because I cannot find this feature anywhere.. _____ From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org [mailto:qclug-bounces@qclug.org] On Behalf Of Arron Lorenz Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 11:52 PM To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: Re: [QCLUG] Virtual Machines I've been using VirtualBox as a virtual server for my personal machine. I do like the program over all. For an open source program it has very very close performance to vmware server. Though cooper is correct vmware is still faster. I would like to point out that vmware has released vmware server 2.0 beta http://www.vmware.com/beta/server/ It's run using Apache's tomcat appliance server. I do like it's completely headless operation in windows and under linux (I'm using it on ubuntu). You navigate/configure the vm from a web interface 127.0.0.1:8333\ui . The speed over the web interface from across the internet is pretty responsive though I would still use RDP for the connection to the vm. On the downside the vm uses up it's allocated ram, but also the application for me running in Firefox tends to be pretty ram intensive. Well that's my 2 cents. Arron On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 10:39 PM, Chris Cooper wrote: So as to not hijack a perfectly good thread on partition sizes, I decided to post anew some thoughts on the Virtualbox comments brought up. I have recently had a chance to do more research on virtual machines for work, and inside Ubuntu, From my experience VMWare server performs slightly better than virtualbox after you install vmware-tools on the guest-OS. While not open source, it is free from www.vmware.com. The VMWare-tools are deffinately a MUST on the guest. Without the proper VMware mouse and video driver installed, performance is sluggish at best. If you have a processor that supports the virtualization flag, it can make a huge performance gain for a 64-bit guest OS. However, it seems to slow down XP VM's under 7.10. More info on the flag can be found here: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/linux/linux-tip-how-to-tell-if-your-processor -supports-vt/ It is important to note that as of this time, VMWare doesn't have much if any support for virtualizing your 3D card, so trying to game inside a VM isn't real practical. For that, I would stick with wine and cedega. This also means you may notice a big slow down in a Vista VM if you have the Aero interface on. It seems to run decently well with it disabled, though. Another fun use for VM's is trying out Live CD's. I am constantly downloading different Live cd's for various things, so I created a small VM with no hard drive, that I use for trying out a live cd before I burn it. CD-R's are cheap, but it still takes a fair amount of time to burn and reboot just to see what is inside. As for Xen, it doesn't really compete on the same level as Virtualbox and VMware server. Xen is probably one of the fastest of all the virtual machine apps, but it is a hypervisor (a lightweight linux distro who's sole function is to host VM's), and can't be run inside your main environment. It is restricted to 64-bit processors only, and doesn't provide access to the guest VM's from it's console, since it is command line only. However, for hosting multiple VM's on one server, it is great. VMware offers their ESX hypervisor, which has a better tool set, but isn't as efficient at Xen as sharing resources over multiple VM's. TechThrob had a really nice write up comparing VMware Server, Virtualbox, Qemu and Parallels. It lacks some heavy tech specs, but is good reading for people just getting into the whole virtual machine thing. http://www.techthrob.com/tech/linux_virtualization.php --Cooper _______________________________________________ QCLUG mailing list QCLUG@qclug.org http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug -- From: Arron James Lorenz Reel to Reel Drive In Reach Global Networks LLC 563-579-7046 ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/f8871982/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From preludelinux@gmail.com Fri Mar 28 14:47:44 2008 From: preludelinux@gmail.com (Noah Norris) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:47:44 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Virtual Machines In-Reply-To: <000f01c8908f$c763f900$2a00a8c0@pcdomain.local> References: <30cf66b30803272151o4509b4cbsd4489df7f3e30be5@mail.gmail.com> <000f01c8908f$c763f900$2a00a8c0@pcdomain.local> Message-ID: <65dc1580803280747y3fe896f6y2e5ef89e70f00407@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment I believe there a way to use KVM ( linux kernel cpu VT extension for VirtualBox ) should make it run faster on newer processors i wonder if any of these may support 3D one day ? On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 11:54 PM, Aaron Johnson wrote: > Is there a way to make VirtualBox automatically start a VM on boot? I > like VirtualBox as it has very good performance but I've never been able = to > use it as a server replacement for VMWare because I cannot find this feat= ure > anywhere=85. > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* qclug-bounces@qclug.org [mailto:qclug-bounces@qclug.org] *On > Behalf Of *Arron Lorenz > *Sent:* Thursday, March 27, 2008 11:52 PM > *To:* qclug@qclug.org > *Subject:* Re: [QCLUG] Virtual Machines > > > > I've been using VirtualBox as a virtual server for my personal machine. I > do like the program over all. For an open source program it has very very > close performance to vmware server. Though cooper is correct vmware is st= ill > faster. I would like to point out that vmware has released vmware server > 2.0 beta http://www.vmware.com/beta/server/ > > It's run using Apache's tomcat appliance server. I do like it's completel= y > headless operation in windows and under linux (I'm using it on ubuntu). Y= ou > navigate/configure the vm from a web interface 127.0.0.1:8333\ui . The > speed over the web interface from across the internet is pretty responsiv= e > though I would still use RDP for the connection to the vm. > > On the downside the vm uses up it's allocated ram, but also the > application for me running in Firefox tends to be pretty ram intensive. > > > Well that's my 2 cents. > Arron > > > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 10:39 PM, Chris Cooper wrote= : > > So as to not hijack a perfectly good thread on partition sizes, I > decided to post anew some thoughts on the Virtualbox comments brought > up. > > I have recently had a chance to do more research on virtual machines > for work, and inside Ubuntu, From my experience VMWare server performs > slightly better than virtualbox after you install vmware-tools on the > guest-OS. While not open source, it is free from www.vmware.com. The > VMWare-tools are deffinately a MUST on the guest. Without the proper > VMware mouse and video driver installed, performance is sluggish at > best. > > If you have a processor that supports the virtualization flag, it can > make a huge performance gain for a 64-bit guest OS. However, it seems > to slow down XP VM's under 7.10. More info on the flag can be found > here: > http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/linux/linux-tip-how-to-tell-if-your-proces= sor-supports-vt/ > > It is important to note that as of this time, VMWare doesn't have much > if any support for virtualizing your 3D card, so trying to game inside > a VM isn't real practical. For that, I would stick with wine and > cedega. This also means you may notice a big slow down in a Vista VM > if you have the Aero interface on. It seems to run decently well with > it disabled, though. > > Another fun use for VM's is trying out Live CD's. I am constantly > downloading different Live cd's for various things, so I created a > small VM with no hard drive, that I use for trying out a live cd > before I burn it. CD-R's are cheap, but it still takes a fair amount > of time to burn and reboot just to see what is inside. > > As for Xen, it doesn't really compete on the same level as Virtualbox > and VMware server. Xen is probably one of the fastest of all the > virtual machine apps, but it is a hypervisor (a lightweight linux > distro who's sole function is to host VM's), and can't be run inside > your main environment. It is restricted to 64-bit processors only, > and doesn't provide access to the guest VM's from it's console, since > it is command line only. However, for hosting multiple VM's on one > server, it is great. VMware offers their ESX hypervisor, which has a > better tool set, but isn't as efficient at Xen as sharing resources > over multiple VM's. > > TechThrob had a really nice write up comparing VMware Server, > Virtualbox, Qemu and Parallels. It lacks some heavy tech specs, but is > good reading for people just getting into the whole virtual machine > thing. > http://www.techthrob.com/tech/linux_virtualization.php > > --Cooper > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > > > > -- > From: > Arron James Lorenz > Reel to Reel Drive In > Reach Global Networks LLC > 563-579-7046 > ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/f10bb992/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From arronlorenz@gmail.com Fri Mar 28 20:23:25 2008 From: arronlorenz@gmail.com (Arron Lorenz) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:23:25 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Virtual Machines In-Reply-To: <65dc1580803280747y3fe896f6y2e5ef89e70f00407@mail.gmail.com> References: <30cf66b30803272151o4509b4cbsd4489df7f3e30be5@mail.gmail.com> <000f01c8908f$c763f900$2a00a8c0@pcdomain.local> <65dc1580803280747y3fe896f6y2e5ef89e70f00407@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <30cf66b30803281323n496ea284tc74992dabeafe511@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Virtualbox has a headless from the command line you can use "vboxmanage controlvm (params)" This guy uses an init script to launch on boot in ubuntu: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3D701735 Also in the latest version of virtualbox it has a check box for -Vt cpu extensions. As for 3D I'm with you Noah. Life would be very nice if that were to happen= . Arron On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 9:47 AM, Noah Norris wrote= : > I believe there a way to use KVM ( linux kernel cpu VT extension for > VirtualBox ) should make it run faster on newer processors > > i wonder if any of these may support 3D one day ? > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 11:54 PM, Aaron Johnson > wrote: > > > Is there a way to make VirtualBox automatically start a VM on boot? I > > like VirtualBox as it has very good performance but I've never been abl= e to > > use it as a server replacement for VMWare because I cannot find this fe= ature > > anywhere=85. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > *From:* qclug-bounces@qclug.org [mailto:qclug-bounces@qclug.org] *On > > Behalf Of *Arron Lorenz > > *Sent:* Thursday, March 27, 2008 11:52 PM > > *To:* qclug@qclug.org > > *Subject:* Re: [QCLUG] Virtual Machines > > > > > > > > I've been using VirtualBox as a virtual server for my personal machine. > > I do like the program over all. For an open source program it has very = very > > close performance to vmware server. Though cooper is correct vmware is = still > > faster. I would like to point out that vmware has released vmware serve= r > > 2.0 beta http://www.vmware.com/beta/server/ > > > > It's run using Apache's tomcat appliance server. I do like it's > > completely headless operation in windows and under linux (I'm using it = on > > ubuntu). You navigate/configure the vm from a web interface > > 127.0.0.1:8333\ui . The speed over the web interface from across the > > internet is pretty responsive though I would still use RDP for the > > connection to the vm. > > > > On the downside the vm uses up it's allocated ram, but also the > > application for me running in Firefox tends to be pretty ram intensive. > > > > > > Well that's my 2 cents. > > Arron > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 10:39 PM, Chris Cooper > > wrote: > > > > So as to not hijack a perfectly good thread on partition sizes, I > > decided to post anew some thoughts on the Virtualbox comments brought > > up. > > > > I have recently had a chance to do more research on virtual machines > > for work, and inside Ubuntu, From my experience VMWare server performs > > slightly better than virtualbox after you install vmware-tools on the > > guest-OS. While not open source, it is free from www.vmware.com. The > > VMWare-tools are deffinately a MUST on the guest. Without the proper > > VMware mouse and video driver installed, performance is sluggish at > > best. > > > > If you have a processor that supports the virtualization flag, it can > > make a huge performance gain for a 64-bit guest OS. However, it seems > > to slow down XP VM's under 7.10. More info on the flag can be found > > here: > > http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/linux/linux-tip-how-to-tell-if-your-proc= essor-supports-vt/ > > > > It is important to note that as of this time, VMWare doesn't have much > > if any support for virtualizing your 3D card, so trying to game inside > > a VM isn't real practical. For that, I would stick with wine and > > cedega. This also means you may notice a big slow down in a Vista VM > > if you have the Aero interface on. It seems to run decently well with > > it disabled, though. > > > > Another fun use for VM's is trying out Live CD's. I am constantly > > downloading different Live cd's for various things, so I created a > > small VM with no hard drive, that I use for trying out a live cd > > before I burn it. CD-R's are cheap, but it still takes a fair amount > > of time to burn and reboot just to see what is inside. > > > > As for Xen, it doesn't really compete on the same level as Virtualbox > > and VMware server. Xen is probably one of the fastest of all the > > virtual machine apps, but it is a hypervisor (a lightweight linux > > distro who's sole function is to host VM's), and can't be run inside > > your main environment. It is restricted to 64-bit processors only, > > and doesn't provide access to the guest VM's from it's console, since > > it is command line only. However, for hosting multiple VM's on one > > server, it is great. VMware offers their ESX hypervisor, which has a > > better tool set, but isn't as efficient at Xen as sharing resources > > over multiple VM's. > > > > TechThrob had a really nice write up comparing VMware Server, > > Virtualbox, Qemu and Parallels. It lacks some heavy tech specs, but is > > good reading for people just getting into the whole virtual machine > > thing. > > http://www.techthrob.com/tech/linux_virtualization.php > > > > --Cooper > > _______________________________________________ > > QCLUG mailing list > > QCLUG@qclug.org > > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > > > > > > > > > -- > > From: > > Arron James Lorenz > > Reel to Reel Drive In > > Reach Global Networks LLC > > 563-579-7046 > > > > --=20 From: Arron James Lorenz Reel to Reel Drive In Reach Global Networks LLC 563-579-7046 ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/3d3a60d8/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From preludelinux@gmail.com Sat Mar 29 12:37:04 2008 From: preludelinux@gmail.com (Noah Norris) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 07:37:04 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] adobe release an online web based photoshop Message-ID: <65dc1580803290537i6821b8c3s74f3d4364514f42c@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment adobe release an online web based photoshop recently it appears to work under linux and firefox. the program appears to be free ( to use ) and offer online storage of photos. could this be where there going to take photoshop somewhat ? this could also end piracy if there was a pro version that you had to subscribe for being that its web based ... https://www.photoshop.com/express/landing.html ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/2b4d250f/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From volunteer@revealed.net Sat Mar 29 17:28:07 2008 From: volunteer@revealed.net (Jim Hall) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:28:07 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Partitioning Hard Drive References: <47EC0323.1060603@RM-Jones.com> <9a65bf850803271835x73395b8ev90cf403691c042ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47EE7C27.6040600@revealed.net> Leif Theden wrote: > Just my 2 cents, but i have found it to be EXTREMELY (note the > emphasis) helpful to make a seperate / and /home partition. If you > are like me, i switch distros once in a while, having your /home in a > seperate mount will make distro switches infinately easier, because > you dont have to worry about wiping your personal files. For example, > I just changed from Arch Linux to Ubuntu, and I was able to keep my > home directory intact, even though my root ( / ) was completely > formatted. Good luck! > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Robert Jones wrote: > >>I've been playing with Kubuntu 8.04 Beta on my laptop and tried >>VirtualBox and some other stuff hoping I could get rid of Vista. I don't >>like VirtualBox so will just have to do a dual boot after all. Oh, Well. >>Maybe later. I still have a couple of things to look at to see if they >>work with my GPS or not but my hopes aren't high. Anyway, I will be >>setting the laptop back up with 7.10 (or waiting for 8.04 in about a >>month) and need some advice. After my Window Vista is shrunk as far as I >>can take it I have 65 GB to put Kubuntu in. When I set it up I want to >>have the "/", "/home" and or course the "swap" on separate "drives". >>How much of the 65 GB should I assign to the "swap" and "/"? I don't >>want to crowd them but I don't want to wast space either. Any >>suggestions would be greatly appreciated. >> >>Have A Great Day >>Bob Jones >>_______________________________________________ >> > Don't forget that programs are installed in / . If you plan to install a lot of them you'll need a larger that normal size. Found that out the hard way. Jim From volunteer@revealed.net Sat Mar 29 17:42:52 2008 From: volunteer@revealed.net (Jim Hall) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:42:52 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Gentle reminder Message-ID: <47EE7F9C.5010707@revealed.net> Just a gentle reminder, folks. For the most part, the three major recommendations for writing email are: 1) Plain text. No (repeat NO) HTML (applies to body, not links and attachments). 2) Quote relavent text. Snip the rest, esp if it gets very long. 3) Bottom post. Excepting inline replies and dire necessity. Thank you very much for your kind attention. Flame suit is on and all brickbats will do no harm. Jim From leif.theden@gmail.com Sat Mar 29 17:09:11 2008 From: leif.theden@gmail.com (Leif Theden) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:09:11 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Partitioning Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <47EE7C27.6040600@revealed.net> References: <47EC0323.1060603@RM-Jones.com> <9a65bf850803271835x73395b8ev90cf403691c042ac@mail.gmail.com> <47EE7C27.6040600@revealed.net> Message-ID: <1206810551.7584.0.camel@sankofa> yeah, for sure. ive gotten to trouble with a root to small before too. :) On Sat, 2008-03-29 at 11:28 -0600, Jim Hall wrote: > Leif Theden wrote: > > Just my 2 cents, but i have found it to be EXTREMELY (note the > > emphasis) helpful to make a seperate / and /home partition. If you > > are like me, i switch distros once in a while, having your /home in a > > seperate mount will make distro switches infinately easier, because > > you dont have to worry about wiping your personal files. For example, > > I just changed from Arch Linux to Ubuntu, and I was able to keep my > > home directory intact, even though my root ( / ) was completely > > formatted. Good luck! > > > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Robert Jones wrote: > > > >>I've been playing with Kubuntu 8.04 Beta on my laptop and tried > >>VirtualBox and some other stuff hoping I could get rid of Vista. I don't > >>like VirtualBox so will just have to do a dual boot after all. Oh, Well. > >>Maybe later. I still have a couple of things to look at to see if they > >>work with my GPS or not but my hopes aren't high. Anyway, I will be > >>setting the laptop back up with 7.10 (or waiting for 8.04 in about a > >>month) and need some advice. After my Window Vista is shrunk as far as I > >>can take it I have 65 GB to put Kubuntu in. When I set it up I want to > >>have the "/", "/home" and or course the "swap" on separate "drives". > >>How much of the 65 GB should I assign to the "swap" and "/"? I don't > >>want to crowd them but I don't want to wast space either. Any > >>suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > >> > >>Have A Great Day > >>Bob Jones > >>_______________________________________________ > >> > > > > > Don't forget that programs are installed in / . If you plan to install a > lot of them you'll need a larger that normal size. Found that out the > hard way. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug From deejoe@iastate.edu Sun Mar 30 01:20:45 2008 From: deejoe@iastate.edu (D. Joe) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:20:45 -0400 Subject: [QCLUG] Gentle reminder In-Reply-To: <47EE7F9C.5010707@revealed.net> References: <47EE7F9C.5010707@revealed.net> Message-ID: <20080330012045.GA31648@poppy.etrumeus.com> On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 11:42:52AM -0600, Jim Hall wrote: > 2) Quote relavent text. Snip the rest, esp if it gets very long. http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/2008-March/005468.html haha, lead by an example there, my friend :-) I'd add another point: 4) Be aware that you are posting to a list that is archived publically on the web. This means be sure to add links to good stuff, but don't give stuff that doesn't it deserve it any Google juice by naming it or linking it. I tried to make this point to some boneheads on another LUG mailing list, who insisted on sending a link to some forum troll's work, or who insisted on quoting the original message containing that link. Gah. Anyway, I'm not sure what the deal is--I thought I'd unsubscribed when I moved from Iowa (if not before) but now all of a suddent a few weeks ago, I find myself getting list traffic again via my will-disappear-someday isu address. Which is fine, I'm enjoying reading it every now and again, and am glad qclug is still chugging along. Good job with that tech show, looks like it worked out well, what with making yourselves known to some folks who've since joined the list and have something to contribute! -- D. Joe From preludelinux@gmail.com Sun Mar 30 09:42:44 2008 From: preludelinux@gmail.com (Noah Norris) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 04:42:44 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Gentle reminder In-Reply-To: <47EE7F9C.5010707@revealed.net> References: <47EE7F9C.5010707@revealed.net> Message-ID: <65dc1580803300242h469e3a5fg8a182a20527e53ff@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Now ive always top posted and leave everything and its perfectly fine so in all honesty thats more a cosmetic thing then any rule. The main things would be plain text and keeping most posts to computer related things. The reason for top posting is people get your response on top can read it and scroll down if they need to see what went on anyway seems most programs tend to throw the start at the top including Gmail and thunderbird. also you could never include last post because most email clients will thread all mails with the same subject line ( Important not to change a subject line to keep material in same thread.) The reasons for bottom posting is people get to scroll threw all what was said (this can get to be long but sometimes snipping dont always work top posting can work better or removing all quoted text ) but this is the same as how threaded messages work so why repeat it again The reasons for deleting all quoted text is mostly if not everyone uses a mail client that threads (same subjected emails) so each email is can be viewed without the need to have the quoted text. plus allot of posts can get super long with log files and such . For example gmail groups all messages together on one page so you can see the whole message so just seeing repeated text wastes space. 1) Plain text (some still use text based email clients and html really is not needed for a mailing list) 2) Keep subject the same so messages thread correctly 3)* the whole top post VRS bottom post and "quotes" post thing is kinda is dependent on situation and the way people process information and is something we mostly dont focus on too much we know everyone is different and except them that way. 4) yes the mailing list is public. need to keep this in mind. a couple questions 1) i hope all email address are hidden or i hope thats changed to members only access like we need more spam ..... oh crap maybe thats why im getting phone calls all the time ... ive posted my phone number ...... oh well lol 5) Keep things computer related ( dont always have to be linux , new technology , games etc etc ) ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/5b852ebf/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From arronlorenz@gmail.com Mon Mar 31 15:12:52 2008 From: arronlorenz@gmail.com (Arron Lorenz) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:12:52 -0500 Subject: [QCLUG] Gentle reminder In-Reply-To: <65dc1580803300242h469e3a5fg8a182a20527e53ff@mail.gmail.com> References: <47EE7F9C.5010707@revealed.net> <65dc1580803300242h469e3a5fg8a182a20527e53ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <30cf66b30803310812r425353cue89f70e586fb8252@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Arron prepares to start a level 3 e-mail client flame war. I use gmail, as long as the subject line stays intact It does all the work for me. Regards, Arron On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 4:42 AM, Noah Norris wrote: > Now ive always top posted and leave everything and its perfectly fine so > in all honesty thats more a cosmetic thing then any rule. The main things > would be plain text and keeping most posts to computer related things. > > The reason for top posting is people get your response on top can read it > and scroll down if they need to see what went on anyway seems most programs > tend to throw the start at the top including Gmail and thunderbird. also you > could never include last post because most email clients will thread all > mails with the same subject line ( Important not to change a subject line to > keep material in same thread.) > > The reasons for bottom posting is people get to scroll threw all what was > said (this can get to be long but sometimes snipping dont always work top > posting can work better or removing all quoted text ) but this is the same > as how threaded messages work so why repeat it again > > The reasons for deleting all quoted text is mostly if not everyone uses a > mail client that threads (same subjected emails) so each email is can be > viewed without the need to have the quoted text. plus allot of posts can > get super long with log files and such . For example gmail groups all > messages together on one page so you can see the whole message so just > seeing repeated text wastes space. > > 1) Plain text (some still use text based email clients and html really is > not needed for a mailing list) > 2) Keep subject the same so messages thread correctly > 3)* the whole top post VRS bottom post and "quotes" post thing is kinda is > dependent on situation and the way people process information and is > something we mostly dont focus on too much we know everyone is different > and except them that way. > 4) yes the mailing list is public. need to keep this in mind. a couple > questions 1) i hope all email address are hidden or i hope thats changed to > members only access like we need more spam ..... oh crap maybe thats why im > getting phone calls all the time ... ive posted my phone number ...... oh > well lol > 5) Keep things computer related ( dont always have to be linux , new > technology , games etc etc ) > -- From: Arron James Lorenz Reel to Reel Drive In Reach Global Networks LLC 563-579-7046 ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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