From belthesar@belthesar.com  Tue May  6 20:13:32 2008
From: belthesar@belthesar.com (Cody Wilson)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 14:13:32 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] Multiple Domains - Apache
In-Reply-To: <dbd622a35b05a9722ad7f57b98ccc69a@localhost.localdomain>
References: <dbd622a35b05a9722ad7f57b98ccc69a@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <4820ADDC.1010801@belthesar.com>

Is there any reason you would be opposed to having the same site appear 
at either http://domaina.com or http://www.domaina.com?  If not, instead 
of using a Rewrite statement, you could just attribute a ServerAlias 
after your ServerName declaration.

IE:

NameVirtualHost *:80

	<VirtualHost  *:80>
	DocumentRoot /var/www/html/domaina/
	ServerName www.domaina.com
	ServerAlias domaina.com
	Options +FollowSymLinks
	</VirtualHost>


Much less pain to set up in the long run.  However, if you're a stickler 
for having sites operate off of www *looks RK's direction* then I'm not 
exactly sure what the issue is.  You might try nestling your Rewrite 
statements in an .htaccess file instead, to see if the file separation 
helps the process.

Thought while I'm doing this... Is there any specific reason you're 
trying to escape your period in the RewriteCond statement?  You 
shouldn't have to.

-Cody Wilson


Deepan wrote:
> Hi All,
> 	I am serving two domains from the same machine
> using Apache. I want www to be used in both of the
> domains, hence I redirect  urls without www to
> appropriate urls with www. I have the following
> configuration in httpd.conf to achieve this.
>        
>
>
> 	NameVirtualHost *:80
>
> 	<VirtualHost  *:80>
> 	DocumentRoot /var/www/html/domaina/
> 	ServerName www.domaina.com
> 	Options +FollowSymLinks
> 	RewriteEngine On
> 	RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^domaina\.com$ [NC]
> 	RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://www.domaina.com$1
> [R=301,L]
> 	</VirtualHost>
>
>
> 	<VirtualHost *:80>
> 	DocumentRoot /var/www/html/domainb/
> 	ServerName  www.domainb.com
> 	Options +FollowSymLinks
> 	RewriteEngine On
> 	RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^domainb\.com$ [NC]
> 	RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://www.domainb.com$1
> [R=301,L]
> 	</VirtualHost>
>
>
>
>
>
> However all requests to http://domainb.com/ gets
> redirected to http://www.domaina.com  whereas the
> expected behaviour is to get redirected to
> http://www.domainb.com/ . 
> Regards 
> Deepan 
>
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> http://www.photographicmemorygame.com/
> Sudoku Solver: http://www.sudoku-solver.net/ 
>
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From robmohr@earthnet.net  Wed May  7 17:07:48 2008
From: robmohr@earthnet.net (robmohr@earthnet.net)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 10:07:48 -0600
Subject: [QCLUG] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20080507100748.zz78zrinfo0kckws@webmail.earthnet.net>



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From robmohr@earthnet.net  Wed May  7 17:26:16 2008
From: robmohr@earthnet.net (robmohr@earthnet.net)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 10:26:16 -0600
Subject: [QCLUG] system:/media/hdb/
Message-ID: <20080507102616.gh8eka1lus4c40ko@webmail.earthnet.net>

Hello lug,

SuSE.  I insert a cd into the tray; in Konq the url is =20
system:/media/hdb/MP3/Track01.mp3.  But right click to copy this file =20
pulls up a secondary window that ends with a "stalled" transfer =20
message.  To paraphrase the copy window is Source  =20
system:/media/hdb/"ect"   file:///home/rob/MP3/Track01.mp3.  But this =20
does not happen, a bit of text at the bottom "Stalled."

Why does the cd show as system:media/hdb/?

Not much of a gui guy, I go to the console and /dev has cdrom =3D> hdb =20
link. But this is not a directory.

Looking at media I do not see the cd file structure. The only file =20
under media is dos. That has a file called System Volume Information =20
which in turn yields a file that starts out as =20
_restore{8F313569-E9D2...}

I also mounted and unmounted the cd but it does not yield the directory tree=
.

I gather that SuSE is "automated" but all I want to do is copy a =20
single mp3 file from the cdrom to the home directory.

Mohr

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From mriedesel@gmail.com  Wed May  7 18:37:06 2008
From: mriedesel@gmail.com (Mark Riedesel)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 12:37:06 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] system:/media/hdb/
In-Reply-To: <20080507102616.gh8eka1lus4c40ko@webmail.earthnet.net>
References: <20080507102616.gh8eka1lus4c40ko@webmail.earthnet.net>
Message-ID: <1c9537490805071037s5f0b4e36k7f0cc0fdd34cd4d3@mail.gmail.com>

Is the disc in question an Audio CD or a Data CD?

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 11:26 AM,  <robmohr@earthnet.net> wrote:
> Hello lug,
>
>  SuSE.  I insert a cd into the tray; in Konq the url is
> system:/media/hdb/MP3/Track01.mp3.  But right click to copy this file pulls
> up a secondary window that ends with a "stalled" transfer message.  To
> paraphrase the copy window is Source  system:/media/hdb/"ect"
> file:///home/rob/MP3/Track01.mp3.  But this does not happen, a bit of text
> at the bottom "Stalled."
>
>  Why does the cd show as system:media/hdb/?
>
>  Not much of a gui guy, I go to the console and /dev has cdrom => hdb link.
> But this is not a directory.
>
>  Looking at media I do not see the cd file structure. The only file under
> media is dos. That has a file called System Volume Information which in turn
> yields a file that starts out as _restore{8F313569-E9D2...}
>
>  I also mounted and unmounted the cd but it does not yield the directory
> tree.
>
>  I gather that SuSE is "automated" but all I want to do is copy a single mp3
> file from the cdrom to the home directory.
>
>  Mohr
>
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From preludelinux@gmail.com  Fri May  9 17:52:21 2008
From: preludelinux@gmail.com (Noah Norris)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 11:52:21 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] Looking for a scanner/printer/copier
In-Reply-To: <3fc351330804281644s5673665bwefbf2a2a15c57be@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3fc351330804271311s35a714dagf58bf0c83c57ae14@mail.gmail.com>
	 <f9732aca0804271324r79668783if8cf99a8646c251d@mail.gmail.com>
	 <1c9537490804271327u18fde2a0x65dca833e96b8278@mail.gmail.com>
	 <3fc351330804281644s5673665bwefbf2a2a15c57be@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <65dc1580805090952v1f5d088cid351c4d4c70d2ccb@mail.gmail.com>

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My first choice would be a HP all in one ( they sell these cheap ) at least
for scanning ( ink does cost for any ink jet printer ) another note is the
lower end models seems to function pretty well ( now i remember something
about there windows drivers lowering the ability but the linux driver is the
same for them all ) i use one just for scanning , i use a apple 16/600 laser
(cheap for B&W ) for B&W and thinking of getting a phaser for color (prices
are coming down ) one thing i hate about ink jets are the ink drys before
you can use it all and it Costs way to much. ( Biggest scam ever )

for printing black and white get a laser printer ( you will save money )
for printing mass color get a color laser or xerox phaser printer. ( i think
the phaser is cheaper you have to buy the dry ink in 4 colors  and less
parts to replace over a standard color laser and there ppm is full color
pages ) ( also these go from 300-^ hmm maybe even 200+ now ) From what i
have seen lasers have much better quality then Ink jets.

On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 6:44 PM, Brent Wyatt <wakecycle@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the Open printing list, It will be useful during my search.
> Seems HP has a lot of support so they'll be at the top of my list.  Ubuntu
> seems to play well with them too.  Thanks again.
>
> Brent
>

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From preludelinux@gmail.com  Fri May  9 18:39:26 2008
From: preludelinux@gmail.com (Noah Norris)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 12:39:26 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] system:/media/hdb/
In-Reply-To: <1c9537490805071037s5f0b4e36k7f0cc0fdd34cd4d3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080507102616.gh8eka1lus4c40ko@webmail.earthnet.net>
	 <1c9537490805071037s5f0b4e36k7f0cc0fdd34cd4d3@mail.gmail.com>
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Once the a Data cd is mounted (auto or not ) it should appear in /media/
"some mount point" this is the new way mounting is suppose to work across
most distros
i dont use suse so idk for sure

this could be an audio cd , kde has a way to view a cd as an mp3's so you
can rip them seamlessly but you need to have the correct software installed
to make this work too like codecs to play and rip to mp3's  ( i dont think
this is the case )

after the cd is mounted you can open a konsole/console window and use mount
to see mounted filesystems and where they are mounted also use dmesg to see
kernel messages about your system ( if your getting errors on dmesg about
your CD-Rom device you could have a scratched CD or bad CD and this can
cause some weird problems if this happens with many disk it could be they
way those cd's where burned or the drive it self )

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Mark Riedesel <mriedesel@gmail.com> wrote:

> Is the disc in question an Audio CD or a Data CD?
>
> On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 11:26 AM,  <robmohr@earthnet.net> wrote:
> > Hello lug,
> >
> >  SuSE.  I insert a cd into the tray; in Konq the url is
> > system:/media/hdb/MP3/Track01.mp3.  But right click to copy this file
> pulls
> > up a secondary window that ends with a "stalled" transfer message.  To
> > paraphrase the copy window is Source  system:/media/hdb/"ect"
> > file:///home/rob/MP3/Track01.mp3.  But this does not happen, a bit of
> text
> > at the bottom "Stalled."
> >
> >  Why does the cd show as system:media/hdb/?
> >
> >  Not much of a gui guy, I go to the console and /dev has cdrom => hdb
> link.
> > But this is not a directory.
> >
> >  Looking at media I do not see the cd file structure. The only file under
> > media is dos. That has a file called System Volume Information which in
> turn
> > yields a file that starts out as _restore{8F313569-E9D2...}
> >
> >  I also mounted and unmounted the cd but it does not yield the directory
> > tree.
> >
> >  I gather that SuSE is "automated" but all I want to do is copy a single
> mp3
> > file from the cdrom to the home directory.
> >
> >  Mohr
> >
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From mriedesel@gmail.com  Fri May  9 21:57:09 2008
From: mriedesel@gmail.com (Mark Riedesel)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 15:57:09 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] system:/media/hdb/
In-Reply-To: <65dc1580805091039w56faad76s68f2fbdac90ebbb1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080507102616.gh8eka1lus4c40ko@webmail.earthnet.net>
	 <1c9537490805071037s5f0b4e36k7f0cc0fdd34cd4d3@mail.gmail.com>
	 <65dc1580805091039w56faad76s68f2fbdac90ebbb1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1c9537490805091357r26bd0e4fl9f756adb5ec50e1a@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Noah Norris <preludelinux@gmail.com> wrote:
-- snip --
> this could be an audio cd , kde has a way to view a cd as an mp3's so you
> can rip them seamlessly but you need to have the correct software installed
> to make this work too like codecs to play and rip to mp3's  ( i dont think
> this is the case )
-- snip --

This could very well be the issue. It could be using KDE's kioslave
for audio cds which provides MP3, flac, ogg, and a bunch of other nice
meta-directory sort of things to audio CDs.

 Perhaps Mohr needs to install LAME (that's the name of the app), that
might do it? Supposedly YaST provides some method for installing
"Multimedia Packs" which may or may not include LAME.

<!-- insert general off-topic complaints about SuSE/Novell's Microsoft
relationship here -->
;-)

Mark
From agamotto@sbcglobal.net  Sun May 11 04:19:46 2008
From: agamotto@sbcglobal.net (agamotto)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 22:19:46 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] Some info I wanted to pass along
Message-ID: <482665D2.7080801@sbcglobal.net>

Hallo, I still seem to be having trouble getting mail from the list, so I 
will just check the archive periodically.

I have discovered in the last week that the following work under Ubuntu 8.04

Belkin USB Wireless G adapter.  Model f5d7050, ver. 4001.  I found this at 
Walmart, plugged it in, and magically, it 'just worked!'  These can be 
found easily at Walmart and Target.

Hauppauge Wintv HVR 1800 tuner card.  This card finally works with 
Mythbuntu 8.04.  The analog tuner is not working ATM, but the digital input 
had no problem locking on to local OTA channels.  I tried to fetch the 
local channels from the Mediacom cable feed with limited success.  I got 
some stations, but very odd channel assignments.  WQPT looks fantastic in HD!

Randy


I might even do a digital version of my Mythbuntu demo in the next few 
months if I get this tweaked better.
From roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com  Sun May 11 23:40:32 2008
From: roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com (Roadkill the Avatar of Misfortune)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 17:40:32 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] Multiple Domains - Apache
In-Reply-To: <dbd622a35b05a9722ad7f57b98ccc69a@localhost.localdomain>
References: <dbd622a35b05a9722ad7f57b98ccc69a@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200805111740.32997.roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com>

I'd say the biggest reason your having trouble here is that those rewrites 
need to be in the domainb.com virtual host stanza, instead of in the 
www.domainb.com stanza..  

If those are the only two stanza's in your domain, but dns points to the ip of 
your server, the apache server will not know which server is being asked for, 
and so it will use the default (usually the first domain in it's virtual host 
table)

The way I deal with these types of situations is as follows:

<VirtualHost 10.101.10.13:80>
	ServerName www.domaina.com
	Important site stuff here
</VirtualHost>

<VirtualHost 10.101.10.13:80>
	ServerName domaina.com
	Redirect 303 / http://www.domaina.com/
</VirtualHost>

Rewrites work for some tasks, but a redirect should be a little faster and 
simpler to debug in the case your suggesting.

Hope that helps,
rk




On Monday 28 April 2008 18:37, Deepan wrote:
> Hi All,
> 	I am serving two domains from the same machine
> using Apache. I want www to be used in both of the
> domains, hence I redirect  urls without www to
> appropriate urls with www. I have the following
> configuration in httpd.conf to achieve this.
>
>
>
> 	NameVirtualHost *:80
>
> 	<VirtualHost  *:80>
> 	DocumentRoot /var/www/html/domaina/
> 	ServerName www.domaina.com
> 	Options +FollowSymLinks
> 	RewriteEngine On
> 	RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^domaina\.com$ [NC]
> 	RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://www.domaina.com$1
> [R=301,L]
> 	</VirtualHost>
>
>
> 	<VirtualHost *:80>
> 	DocumentRoot /var/www/html/domainb/
> 	ServerName  www.domainb.com
> 	Options +FollowSymLinks
> 	RewriteEngine On
> 	RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^domainb\.com$ [NC]
> 	RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://www.domainb.com$1
> [R=301,L]
> 	</VirtualHost>
>
>
>
>
>
> However all requests to http://domainb.com/ gets
> redirected to http://www.domaina.com  whereas the
> expected behaviour is to get redirected to
> http://www.domainb.com/ .
> Regards
> Deepan
>
> Photographic Memory Game:
> http://www.photographicmemorygame.com/
> Sudoku Solver: http://www.sudoku-solver.net/
>
>
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From Robert@RM-Jones.com  Tue May 13 15:03:36 2008
From: Robert@RM-Jones.com (Robert Jones)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 09:03:36 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] Transfer Home from one computer to another
Message-ID: <48299FB8.5070306@RM-Jones.com>

Good Morning All, I have two desktop computers. I currently have one 
setup with Vista (spit spit - sorry, had to get the bad taste out of my 
mouth) and the other has Ubuntu 8.04. When I have convinced myself that 
I no longer need Vista I will set that machine up as Linux and retire 
the other except for testing things. My question is, will I be able to 
install Linux on my box that is currently Vista and then transfer my 
"home" to that box so I don't have to set everything up again? The other 
option would be to set a duel boot to Vista now and then just remove 
vista, clean up Grub and resize the Ubuntu partitions when I no longer 
need Vista.  Which would be the better approach?
Thanks for the Help.
See Ya All Tonight.
Bob Jones
From mriedesel@gmail.com  Tue May 13 15:38:52 2008
From: mriedesel@gmail.com (Mark Riedesel)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 09:38:52 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] Transfer Home from one computer to another
In-Reply-To: <48299FB8.5070306@RM-Jones.com>
References: <48299FB8.5070306@RM-Jones.com>
Message-ID: <1c9537490805130738r35d36686u7e922c116f502c2@mail.gmail.com>

Copying your home from one machine to another would probably be the
simplest, most straightforward way to do it. There's lots of tools for
copying stuff from one machine to the other over a network (scp,
rsync, etc..)

Mark

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Robert Jones <Robert@rm-jones.com> wrote:
> Good Morning All, I have two desktop computers. I currently have one setup
> with Vista (spit spit - sorry, had to get the bad taste out of my mouth) and
> the other has Ubuntu 8.04. When I have convinced myself that I no longer
> need Vista I will set that machine up as Linux and retire the other except
> for testing things. My question is, will I be able to install Linux on my
> box that is currently Vista and then transfer my "home" to that box so I
> don't have to set everything up again? The other option would be to set a
> duel boot to Vista now and then just remove vista, clean up Grub and resize
> the Ubuntu partitions when I no longer need Vista.  Which would be the
> better approach?
>  Thanks for the Help.
>  See Ya All Tonight.
>  Bob Jones
>  _______________________________________________
>  QCLUG mailing list
>  QCLUG@qclug.org
>  http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug
>
From arronlorenz@gmail.com  Tue May 13 15:42:46 2008
From: arronlorenz@gmail.com (Arron Lorenz)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 09:42:46 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] Transfer Home from one computer to another
In-Reply-To: <1c9537490805130738r35d36686u7e922c116f502c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48299FB8.5070306@RM-Jones.com>
	 <1c9537490805130738r35d36686u7e922c116f502c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <30cf66b30805130742h496b8b13qfaafb00eb8692f23@mail.gmail.com>

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I've mentioned this before I think but the Home folder usually just holds
the data, and conf files and what not. Apt on Cd will help you transfer the
programs also. I don't mind re downloading what I need but this is nice for
speed.

http://aptoncd.sourceforge.net/

Regards,
Arron Lorenz

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Mark Riedesel <mriedesel@gmail.com> wrote:

> Copying your home from one machine to another would probably be the
> simplest, most straightforward way to do it. There's lots of tools for
> copying stuff from one machine to the other over a network (scp,
> rsync, etc..)
>
> Mark
>
> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Robert Jones <Robert@rm-jones.com> wrote:
> > Good Morning All, I have two desktop computers. I currently have one
> setup
> > with Vista (spit spit - sorry, had to get the bad taste out of my mouth)
> and
> > the other has Ubuntu 8.04. When I have convinced myself that I no longer
> > need Vista I will set that machine up as Linux and retire the other
> except
> > for testing things. My question is, will I be able to install Linux on
> my
> > box that is currently Vista and then transfer my "home" to that box so I
> > don't have to set everything up again? The other option would be to set
> a
> > duel boot to Vista now and then just remove vista, clean up Grub and
> resize
> > the Ubuntu partitions when I no longer need Vista.  Which would be the
> > better approach?
> >  Thanks for the Help.
> >  See Ya All Tonight.
> >  Bob Jones
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  QCLUG mailing list
> >  QCLUG@qclug.org
> >  http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug
> >
> _______________________________________________
> QCLUG mailing list
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From mriedesel@gmail.com  Tue May 13 15:56:45 2008
From: mriedesel@gmail.com (Mark Riedesel)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 09:56:45 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] Transfer Home from one computer to another
In-Reply-To: <30cf66b30805130742h496b8b13qfaafb00eb8692f23@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48299FB8.5070306@RM-Jones.com>
	 <1c9537490805130738r35d36686u7e922c116f502c2@mail.gmail.com>
	 <30cf66b30805130742h496b8b13qfaafb00eb8692f23@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1c9537490805130756y47383e63rc5dffa4013ec9745@mail.gmail.com>

I haven't used aptoncd, but a more simpler approach is just to output
the package list from computer-a, copy it to computer-b, and tell apt
to install the packages from the list, assuming you're using a distro
that uses apt such as Debian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and a bazillion others.

** on computer-a **
dpkg --get-selections >my_package_selections_file

copy my_package_selections_file to computer-b

** on computer-b **
dpkg --set-selections <my_package_selections_file
apt-get dselect-upgrade

Mark



On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Arron Lorenz <arronlorenz@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've mentioned this before I think but the Home folder usually just holds
> the data, and conf files and what not. Apt on Cd will help you transfer the
> programs also. I don't mind re downloading what I need but this is nice for
> speed.
>
> http://aptoncd.sourceforge.net/
>
> Regards,
> Arron Lorenz
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Mark Riedesel <mriedesel@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Copying your home from one machine to another would probably be the
> > simplest, most straightforward way to do it. There's lots of tools for
> > copying stuff from one machine to the other over a network (scp,
> > rsync, etc..)
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Robert Jones <Robert@rm-jones.com> wrote:
> > > Good Morning All, I have two desktop computers. I currently have one
> setup
> > > with Vista (spit spit - sorry, had to get the bad taste out of my mouth)
> and
> > > the other has Ubuntu 8.04. When I have convinced myself that I no longer
> > > need Vista I will set that machine up as Linux and retire the other
> except
> > > for testing things. My question is, will I be able to install Linux on
> my
> > > box that is currently Vista and then transfer my "home" to that box so I
> > > don't have to set everything up again? The other option would be to set
> a
> > > duel boot to Vista now and then just remove vista, clean up Grub and
> resize
> > > the Ubuntu partitions when I no longer need Vista.  Which would be the
> > > better approach?
> > >  Thanks for the Help.
> > >  See Ya All Tonight.
> > >  Bob Jones
> > >  _______________________________________________
> > >  QCLUG mailing list
> > >  QCLUG@qclug.org
> > >  http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > QCLUG mailing list
> > QCLUG@qclug.org
> > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug
> >
>
>
>
> --
> From:
> Arron James Lorenz
> Reel to Reel Drive In
> http://www.DavenportDriveIn.com
> 563-579-7046
From arronlorenz@gmail.com  Tue May 13 16:00:57 2008
From: arronlorenz@gmail.com (Arron Lorenz)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 10:00:57 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] Transfer Home from one computer to another
In-Reply-To: <1c9537490805130756y47383e63rc5dffa4013ec9745@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48299FB8.5070306@RM-Jones.com>
	 <1c9537490805130738r35d36686u7e922c116f502c2@mail.gmail.com>
	 <30cf66b30805130742h496b8b13qfaafb00eb8692f23@mail.gmail.com>
	 <1c9537490805130756y47383e63rc5dffa4013ec9745@mail.gmail.com>
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Marks way is the better way in my opinion. I like getting the packages fresh
after a new install usually to ensure the best compatibility.

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Mark Riedesel <mriedesel@gmail.com> wrote:

> I haven't used aptoncd, but a more simpler approach is just to output
> the package list from computer-a, copy it to computer-b, and tell apt
> to install the packages from the list, assuming you're using a distro
> that uses apt such as Debian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and a bazillion others.
>
> ** on computer-a **
> dpkg --get-selections >my_package_selections_file
>
> copy my_package_selections_file to computer-b
>
> ** on computer-b **
> dpkg --set-selections <my_package_selections_file
> apt-get dselect-upgrade
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Arron Lorenz <arronlorenz@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I've mentioned this before I think but the Home folder usually just
> holds
> > the data, and conf files and what not. Apt on Cd will help you transfer
> the
> > programs also. I don't mind re downloading what I need but this is nice
> for
> > speed.
> >
> > http://aptoncd.sourceforge.net/
> >
> > Regards,
> > Arron Lorenz
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Mark Riedesel <mriedesel@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Copying your home from one machine to another would probably be the
> > > simplest, most straightforward way to do it. There's lots of tools for
> > > copying stuff from one machine to the other over a network (scp,
> > > rsync, etc..)
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Robert Jones <Robert@rm-jones.com>
> wrote:
> > > > Good Morning All, I have two desktop computers. I currently have one
> > setup
> > > > with Vista (spit spit - sorry, had to get the bad taste out of my
> mouth)
> > and
> > > > the other has Ubuntu 8.04. When I have convinced myself that I no
> longer
> > > > need Vista I will set that machine up as Linux and retire the other
> > except
> > > > for testing things. My question is, will I be able to install Linux
> on
> > my
> > > > box that is currently Vista and then transfer my "home" to that box
> so I
> > > > don't have to set everything up again? The other option would be to
> set
> > a
> > > > duel boot to Vista now and then just remove vista, clean up Grub and
> > resize
> > > > the Ubuntu partitions when I no longer need Vista.  Which would be
> the
> > > > better approach?
> > > >  Thanks for the Help.
> > > >  See Ya All Tonight.
> > > >  Bob Jones
> > > >  _______________________________________________
> > > >  QCLUG mailing list
> > > >  QCLUG@qclug.org
> > > >  http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug
> > > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > QCLUG mailing list
> > > QCLUG@qclug.org
> > > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > From:
> > Arron James Lorenz
> > Reel to Reel Drive In
> > http://www.DavenportDriveIn.com
> > 563-579-7046
> _______________________________________________
> QCLUG mailing list
> QCLUG@qclug.org
> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug
>



-- 
From:
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Reel to Reel Drive In
http://www.DavenportDriveIn.com
563-579-7046

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From robmohr@earthnet.net  Tue May 13 16:52:47 2008
From: robmohr@earthnet.net (robmohr@earthnet.net)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 09:52:47 -0600
Subject: [QCLUG] mount: /dev/hdb: can't read superblock
Message-ID: <20080513095247.dkf0bddgqog8c88g@webmail.earthnet.net>

Hello lug,


I did the following:

root:/# mount /dev/hdb /media/cdrom

and the response after hearing the drive cycle whick-whick  whick-whick

is the following:

mount: block device /dev/hdb is write-protected, mounting read-only
mount: /dev/hdb: can't read superblock

And ls -l of /media/cdrom is empty


Previous to all of the above I vi'd the fstab file as root the the  
following line edit addition:

/dev/hdb /media/cdrom iso9660 ro,user 00

The question is what does "can't read superblock" mean with respect  
the the activity of manually mounting a cdrom disc?

Mohr



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From mriedesel@gmail.com  Tue May 13 17:02:07 2008
From: mriedesel@gmail.com (Mark Riedesel)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 11:02:07 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] mount: /dev/hdb: can't read superblock
In-Reply-To: <20080513095247.dkf0bddgqog8c88g@webmail.earthnet.net>
References: <20080513095247.dkf0bddgqog8c88g@webmail.earthnet.net>
Message-ID: <1c9537490805130902v347fabdfx1117dfa3979fd9cc@mail.gmail.com>

Audio CDs can't be mounted, they technically don't contain a
filesystem, just multiple tracks of audio data.

If you can play the CD in your car, then it is most likely an audio cd

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 10:52 AM,  <robmohr@earthnet.net> wrote:
> Hello lug,
>
>
>  I did the following:
>
>  root:/# mount /dev/hdb /media/cdrom
>
>  and the response after hearing the drive cycle whick-whick  whick-whick
>
>  is the following:
>
>  mount: block device /dev/hdb is write-protected, mounting read-only
>  mount: /dev/hdb: can't read superblock
>
>  And ls -l of /media/cdrom is empty
>
>
>  Previous to all of the above I vi'd the fstab file as root the the
> following line edit addition:
>
>  /dev/hdb /media/cdrom iso9660 ro,user 00
>
>  The question is what does "can't read superblock" mean with respect the the
> activity of manually mounting a cdrom disc?
>
>  Mohr
>
>
>
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From Robert@RM-Jones.com  Tue May 13 17:23:17 2008
From: Robert@RM-Jones.com (Robert Jones)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 11:23:17 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] Transfer Home from one computer to another
In-Reply-To: <30cf66b30805130800n674011dftdb815af3767ab598@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48299FB8.5070306@RM-Jones.com>
	<1c9537490805130738r35d36686u7e922c116f502c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<30cf66b30805130742h496b8b13qfaafb00eb8692f23@mail.gmail.com>
	<1c9537490805130756y47383e63rc5dffa4013ec9745@mail.gmail.com>
	<30cf66b30805130800n674011dftdb815af3767ab598@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4829C075.9030507@RM-Jones.com>

Arron Lorenz wrote:
> Marks way is the better way in my opinion. I like getting the packages 
> fresh after a new install usually to ensure the best compatibility.
>
Thanks everyone, Sounds like it won't be a problem then. All I have to 
do is an initial install of Ubuntu on my new computer, use Marks method 
to install all the packages and then move the Home data over to get the 
data and configuration files the way they were.
Thanks again.
Bob Jones
From robmohr@earthnet.net  Tue May 13 18:46:07 2008
From: robmohr@earthnet.net (robmohr@earthnet.net)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 11:46:07 -0600
Subject: [QCLUG] mount: /dev/hdb: can't read superblock
In-Reply-To: <1c9537490805130902v347fabdfx1117dfa3979fd9cc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080513095247.dkf0bddgqog8c88g@webmail.earthnet.net>
	<1c9537490805130902v347fabdfx1117dfa3979fd9cc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080513114607.sri9engxkwkw8g4c@webmail.earthnet.net>

Quoting Mark Riedesel <mriedesel@gmail.com>:

> Audio CDs can't be mounted, they technically don't contain a
> filesystem, just multiple tracks of audio data.
>
This is a cdrom disc with mp3 tracks.  I just want to copy the files ( =20
this is a foreign language cd ) to the hard drive, and then to load =20
the mp3 files onto a portable mp3 player.


When I place the cdrom disc into the physical drive, the SuSE pops up =20
a gui asking what player to use, Kaffine, RealPlayer, ect or to copy =20
via a filter, or to take no action.

I have tried all combinations of the above.  At one point it starts to =20
copy the files but it "stalls" out.  The word stall is not mine; it =20
actually says stalls on the window.

It was at this point that I skunked about the online forums and got =20
the sense that others are having trouble mounting cdroms with the =20
autoload-gui type actions that are prevalent with the current distros. =20
  Thinking this is a case of too much user automation for my own =20
benefit, I decided that I just need to do a manual, console command =20
line mount of the disc to copy the files over to the hard drive.

This lead me back to the internet and in the linux forums I found =20
several sensible examples of doing just this, manually mounting a =20
cdrom.  I follow the instructions, but I can't get it to mount.

It seems odd to me that I can't mount this disc.  This disc does have =20
mp3 files, WAV files and some other directories.

Using previous linux distros on older boxes I did not have any trouble =20
doing what I want to do here, a nominal disc mount.

Mohr

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From roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com  Wed May 14 13:58:06 2008
From: roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com (Roadkill the Avatar of Misfortune)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 07:58:06 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] Some info I wanted to pass along
In-Reply-To: <482665D2.7080801@sbcglobal.net>
References: <482665D2.7080801@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200805140758.06171.roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com>

As far as people having issues receiving emails, I've been trying to work out 
what exactly is going on.   After the move of the server to it's currently 
location, it seems that this has been an ongoing issue.   I was hoping it'd 
clear itself up, and thought it had for a while there... apparently not..

There seems to be a problem with the IP addresses that the server now resides 
on.  The best that I can tell, is that the ips were documented as being 
dynamic IPs sometime back in antiquity...  These ips had, by the hosting 
company I have the server at now, never been used before.  And I thought the 
hosting company had cleaned up these errant issues.  Apparently not.  It's 
seeming more and more like I will have to make another move of the server if 
this can't be resolved soon....  (and yes it's affecting my other servers 
too...)

please bear with me on this,
rk



On Saturday 10 May 2008 22:19, agamotto wrote:
> Hallo, I still seem to be having trouble getting mail from the list, so I
> will just check the archive periodically.
>
> I have discovered in the last week that the following work under Ubuntu
> 8.04
>
> Belkin USB Wireless G adapter.  Model f5d7050, ver. 4001.  I found this at
> Walmart, plugged it in, and magically, it 'just worked!'  These can be
> found easily at Walmart and Target.
>
> Hauppauge Wintv HVR 1800 tuner card.  This card finally works with
> Mythbuntu 8.04.  The analog tuner is not working ATM, but the digital input
> had no problem locking on to local OTA channels.  I tried to fetch the
> local channels from the Mediacom cable feed with limited success.  I got
> some stations, but very odd channel assignments.  WQPT looks fantastic in
> HD!
>
> Randy
>
>
> I might even do a digital version of my Mythbuntu demo in the next few
> months if I get this tweaked better.
> _______________________________________________
> QCLUG mailing list
> QCLUG@qclug.org
> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug

From arronlorenz@gmail.com  Wed May 14 23:43:44 2008
From: arronlorenz@gmail.com (Arron Lorenz)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 17:43:44 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] Virus in Ubuntu
Message-ID: <30cf66b30805141543n36ae4919w2fb6e40c70d4243d@mail.gmail.com>

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I accedently clicked a link I shouldn't have now I may have a virus....

I took a screen shot: http://www.davenportdrivein.com/images/Screenshot.png

What do you guys think I should do? <qclug@qclug.org>

Regards,
Arron

-- 
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Reel to Reel Drive In
http://www.DavenportDriveIn.com
563-579-7046

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From nickmiller92@gmail.com  Thu May 15 00:21:22 2008
From: nickmiller92@gmail.com (Nick Miller)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 18:21:22 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] Virus in Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <30cf66b30805141543n36ae4919w2fb6e40c70d4243d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30cf66b30805141543n36ae4919w2fb6e40c70d4243d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <482B73F2.2080506@gmail.com>

How were you able to use a Windows file scanner in Ubuntu? I guess I'm 
just kind of confused on what exactly is going on. Plus, the virus file 
had "Win32" in it.

Nick

Arron Lorenz wrote:
> I accedently clicked a link I shouldn't have now I may have a virus....
>
> I took a screen shot: 
> http://www.davenportdrivein.com/images/Screenshot.png
>
> What do you guys think I should do? <mailto:qclug@qclug.org>
>
> Regards,
> Arron
>
> -- 
> From:
> Arron James Lorenz
> Reel to Reel Drive In
> http://www.DavenportDriveIn.com
> 563-579-7046 

From acjohnson@pcdomain.com  Thu May 15 01:28:38 2008
From: acjohnson@pcdomain.com (Aaron Johnson)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 19:28:38 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] Virus in Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <482B73F2.2080506@gmail.com>
References: <30cf66b30805141543n36ae4919w2fb6e40c70d4243d@mail.gmail.com>
	<482B73F2.2080506@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001c01c8b622$9f480660$2a00a8c0@pcdomain.local>

This just looks like a fake anti-virus pop-up. Nothing more...


-----Original Message-----
From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org [mailto:qclug-bounces@qclug.org] On Behalf Of
Nick Miller
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 6:21 PM
To: qclug@qclug.org
Subject: Re: [QCLUG] Virus in Ubuntu

How were you able to use a Windows file scanner in Ubuntu? I guess I'm 
just kind of confused on what exactly is going on. Plus, the virus file 
had "Win32" in it.

Nick

Arron Lorenz wrote:
> I accedently clicked a link I shouldn't have now I may have a virus....
>
> I took a screen shot: 
> http://www.davenportdrivein.com/images/Screenshot.png
>
> What do you guys think I should do? <mailto:qclug@qclug.org>
>
> Regards,
> Arron
>
> -- 
> From:
> Arron James Lorenz
> Reel to Reel Drive In
> http://www.DavenportDriveIn.com
> 563-579-7046 

_______________________________________________
QCLUG mailing list
QCLUG@qclug.org
http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG. 
Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1432 - Release Date: 5/14/2008
7:49 AM

From mriedesel@gmail.com  Thu May 15 02:22:22 2008
From: mriedesel@gmail.com (Mark Riedesel)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 20:22:22 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] Virus in Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <001c01c8b622$9f480660$2a00a8c0@pcdomain.local>
References: <30cf66b30805141543n36ae4919w2fb6e40c70d4243d@mail.gmail.com>
	 <482B73F2.2080506@gmail.com>
	 <001c01c8b622$9f480660$2a00a8c0@pcdomain.local>
Message-ID: <1c9537490805141822h6691f4a1n2e1fba70367273f5@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah, I visited the antivirus-scanner.com site and it did a neat
little animated virus checker thing and then popped up a list of
infections, then tried to coax me into downloading a neato exe file
which is infected with..

 *drum roll*

the Downloader.Win32.Fraudload virus!

So, yes, definitely a site to avoid, and no, you're not infected with
any viruses :-)


Mark


On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 7:28 PM, Aaron Johnson <acjohnson@pcdomain.com> wrote:
> This just looks like a fake anti-virus pop-up. Nothing more...
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org [mailto:qclug-bounces@qclug.org] On Behalf Of
> Nick Miller
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 6:21 PM
> To: qclug@qclug.org
> Subject: Re: [QCLUG] Virus in Ubuntu
>
> How were you able to use a Windows file scanner in Ubuntu? I guess I'm
> just kind of confused on what exactly is going on. Plus, the virus file
> had "Win32" in it.
>
> Nick
>
> Arron Lorenz wrote:
>> I accedently clicked a link I shouldn't have now I may have a virus....
>>
>> I took a screen shot:
>> http://www.davenportdrivein.com/images/Screenshot.png
>>
>> What do you guys think I should do? <mailto:qclug@qclug.org>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Arron
>>
>> --
>> From:
>> Arron James Lorenz
>> Reel to Reel Drive In
>> http://www.DavenportDriveIn.com
>> 563-579-7046
>
> _______________________________________________
> QCLUG mailing list
> QCLUG@qclug.org
> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG.
> Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1432 - Release Date: 5/14/2008
> 7:49 AM
>
> _______________________________________________
> QCLUG mailing list
> QCLUG@qclug.org
> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug
>
From dbergert@gmail.com  Thu May 15 02:24:29 2008
From: dbergert@gmail.com (Dave Bergert)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 20:24:29 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] Virus in Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <30cf66b30805141543n36ae4919w2fb6e40c70d4243d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30cf66b30805141543n36ae4919w2fb6e40c70d4243d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FCC4614C-5F47-425F-A865-AB579CDF0D2F@gmail.com>


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It is a scare-ware website that will try to sell you their software to  
clean the computer or infect your computer

Nothing to see here, move along.

See here:  http://screencast.com/t/ljpmpBhz

and then read this:

http://seo.mhvt.net/blog/?p=333

This will infect a windows computer if you install it.

-DB

On May 14, 2008, at 5:43 PM, Arron Lorenz wrote:

> I accedently clicked a link I shouldn't have now I may have a  
> virus....
>
> I took a screen shot: http://www.davenportdrivein.com/images/Screenshot.png
>
> What do you guys think I should do?
>
> Regards,
> Arron
>
> -- 
> From:
> Arron James Lorenz
> Reel to Reel Drive In
> http://www.DavenportDriveIn.com
> 563-579-7046

Dave Bergert
dbergert@gmail.com




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From arronlorenz@gmail.com  Thu May 15 02:27:21 2008
From: arronlorenz@gmail.com (Arron Lorenz)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 20:27:21 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] Virus in Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <1c9537490805141822h6691f4a1n2e1fba70367273f5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30cf66b30805141543n36ae4919w2fb6e40c70d4243d@mail.gmail.com>
	 <482B73F2.2080506@gmail.com>
	 <001c01c8b622$9f480660$2a00a8c0@pcdomain.local>
	 <1c9537490805141822h6691f4a1n2e1fba70367273f5@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks guys, I don't want to disappoint but I actually did know that it was
a crappy pop up website. I just enjoyed it... I was making a vague attempt
at being funny by contrasting the win.32 pop up ads (if you look close it's
telling me that I need to enable active-x support.) with the fact that I'm
running Ubuntu. Website's like that are the reason I have the computer over
at my mom's house running Ubuntu also.

I can just hear the phone call... Arron the computer popped up and told me
that it found a bunch of virus' and I payed the $50 that it was asking for
but it doesn't seem to work. Can you come and make the anti-virus program it
just told me to buy work??

Well guys that's all for my jokes today.

Arron

On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Mark Riedesel <mriedesel@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yeah, I visited the antivirus-scanner.com site and it did a neat
> little animated virus checker thing and then popped up a list of
> infections, then tried to coax me into downloading a neato exe file
> which is infected with..
>
>  *drum roll*
>
> the Downloader.Win32.Fraudload virus!
>
> So, yes, definitely a site to avoid, and no, you're not infected with
> any viruses :-)
>
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 7:28 PM, Aaron Johnson <acjohnson@pcdomain.com>
> wrote:
> > This just looks like a fake anti-virus pop-up. Nothing more...
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org [mailto:qclug-bounces@qclug.org] On Behalf
> Of
> > Nick Miller
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 6:21 PM
> > To: qclug@qclug.org
> > Subject: Re: [QCLUG] Virus in Ubuntu
> >
> > How were you able to use a Windows file scanner in Ubuntu? I guess I'm
> > just kind of confused on what exactly is going on. Plus, the virus file
> > had "Win32" in it.
> >
> > Nick
> >
> > Arron Lorenz wrote:
> >> I accedently clicked a link I shouldn't have now I may have a virus....
> >>
> >> I took a screen shot:
> >> http://www.davenportdrivein.com/images/Screenshot.png
> >>
> >> What do you guys think I should do? <mailto:qclug@qclug.org>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Arron
> >>
> >> --
> >> From:
> >> Arron James Lorenz
> >> Reel to Reel Drive In
> >> http://www.DavenportDriveIn.com
> >> 563-579-7046
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > QCLUG mailing list
> > QCLUG@qclug.org
> > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug
> >
> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > Checked by AVG.
> > Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1432 - Release Date:
> 5/14/2008
> > 7:49 AM
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > QCLUG mailing list
> > QCLUG@qclug.org
> > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug
> >
> _______________________________________________
> QCLUG mailing list
> QCLUG@qclug.org
> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug
>



-- 
From:
Arron James Lorenz
Reel to Reel Drive In
http://www.DavenportDriveIn.com
563-579-7046

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From dbergert@gmail.com  Thu May 15 02:40:17 2008
From: dbergert@gmail.com (Dave Bergert)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 20:40:17 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] Virus in Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <30cf66b30805141543n36ae4919w2fb6e40c70d4243d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30cf66b30805141543n36ae4919w2fb6e40c70d4243d@mail.gmail.com>
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Speaking of Linux Security ...

Has anyone see this:
http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=4414
'
OpenSSH: Predictable PRNG in debian and ubuntu Linux

Any comments or thoughts ?




On May 14, 2008, at 5:43 PM, Arron Lorenz wrote:

> I accedently clicked a link I shouldn't have now I may have a  
> virus....
>
> I took a screen shot: http://www.davenportdrivein.com/images/Screenshot.png
>
> What do you guys think I should do?
>
> Regards,
> Arron
>
> -- 
> From:
> Arron James Lorenz
> Reel to Reel Drive In
> http://www.DavenportDriveIn.com
> 563-579-7046

Dave Bergert
dbergert@gmail.com




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From QCAdmin@gmail.com  Thu May 15 02:50:07 2008
From: QCAdmin@gmail.com (Chris Cooper)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 20:50:07 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] Virus in Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <FCC4614C-5F47-425F-A865-AB579CDF0D2F@gmail.com>
References: <30cf66b30805141543n36ae4919w2fb6e40c70d4243d@mail.gmail.com>
	 <FCC4614C-5F47-425F-A865-AB579CDF0D2F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b6495c400805141850t2f75f3f5ue5f3104a1c2d3f96@mail.gmail.com>

While I'm not 100% on this, but given the nature of Arron's usual
posts, I would tend to take this a sarcastic jab at the sad state of
windows security rather than the questioning of a naive user.

I personally prefer the "Your computer is currently broadcasting an IP
address that hackers can use to break into your computer!" ads that
used to be more prevalent.
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/7063/ipalertlw3.jpg



On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:24 PM, Dave Bergert <dbergert@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It is a scare-ware website that will try to sell you their software to clean
> the computer or infect your computer
> Nothing to see here, move along.
> See here:  http://screencast.com/t/ljpmpBhz
> and then read this:
> http://seo.mhvt.net/blog/?p=333
> This will infect a windows computer if you install it.
> -DB
> On May 14, 2008, at 5:43 PM, Arron Lorenz wrote:
>
> I accedently clicked a link I shouldn't have now I may have a virus....
>
> I took a screen shot: http://www.davenportdrivein.com/images/Screenshot.png
>
> What do you guys think I should do?
>
> Regards,
> Arron
>
> --
> From:
> Arron James Lorenz
> Reel to Reel Drive In
> http://www.DavenportDriveIn.com
> 563-579-7046
>
> Dave Bergert
> dbergert@gmail.com
>
>
>
From dbergert@gmail.com  Thu May 15 02:50:20 2008
From: dbergert@gmail.com (Dave Bergert)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 20:50:20 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] Virus in Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <7F0A329D-C35B-4CEF-A0D4-4E89F2801773@gmail.com>
References: <30cf66b30805141543n36ae4919w2fb6e40c70d4243d@mail.gmail.com>
	<7F0A329D-C35B-4CEF-A0D4-4E89F2801773@gmail.com>
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So it gets a little scarrier:

http://metasploit.com/users/hdm/tools/debian-openssl/


"This will generate a new OpenSSH 1024-bit DSA key with the value of  
getpid() always returning the number "1". We now have our first pre- 
generated SSH key. If we continue this process for all PIDs up to  
32,767 and then repeat it for 2048-bit RSA keys, we have covered the  
valid key ranges for x86 systems running the buggy version of the  
OpenSSL library. With this key set, we can compromise any user account  
that has a vulnerable key listed in the authorized_keys file. This key  
set is also useful for decrypting a previously-captured SSH session,  
if the SSH server was using a vulnerable host key.

In the near future, this site will be updated to include a brute force  
tool that can be used quickly gain access to any SSH account that  
allows public key authentication using a vulnerable key.


Fun - now I will have more crap to look at in my /var/log/secure and  
an increase of ssh attacks :)




On May 14, 2008, at 8:40 PM, Dave Bergert wrote:

> Speaking of Linux Security ...
>
> Has anyone see this:
> http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=4414
> '
> OpenSSH: Predictable PRNG in debian and ubuntu Linux
>
> Any comments or thoughts ?
>
>
>
>
> On May 14, 2008, at 5:43 PM, Arron Lorenz wrote:
>
>> I accedently clicked a link I shouldn't have now I may have a  
>> virus....
>>
>> I took a screen shot: http://www.davenportdrivein.com/images/Screenshot.png
>>
>> What do you guys think I should do?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Arron
>>
>> -- 
>> From:
>> Arron James Lorenz
>> Reel to Reel Drive In
>> http://www.DavenportDriveIn.com
>> 563-579-7046
>
> Dave Bergert
> dbergert@gmail.com
>
>
>

Dave Bergert
dbergert@gmail.com




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From dbergert@gmail.com  Thu May 15 04:34:06 2008
From: dbergert@gmail.com (Dave Bergert)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 22:34:06 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] Some info I wanted to pass along
In-Reply-To: <200805140758.06171.roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com>
References: <482665D2.7080801@sbcglobal.net>
	<200805140758.06171.roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com>
Message-ID: <BEBBFEFD-7591-4118-8FF0-B2456111D0D1@gmail.com>

Any reason of not abandoning this list and have google groups do all  
of the dirty work with a migration ?  to  http://groups.google.com/

might be an option and less configuraiton/maintenance.

On May 14, 2008, at 7:58 AM, Roadkill the Avatar of Misfortune wrote:

> As far as people having issues receiving emails, I've been trying to  
> work out
> what exactly is going on.   After the move of the server to it's  
> currently
> location, it seems that this has been an ongoing issue.   I was  
> hoping it'd
> clear itself up, and thought it had for a while there... apparently  
> not..
>
> There seems to be a problem with the IP addresses that the server  
> now resides
> on.  The best that I can tell, is that the ips were documented as  
> being
> dynamic IPs sometime back in antiquity...  These ips had, by the  
> hosting
> company I have the server at now, never been used before.  And I  
> thought the
> hosting company had cleaned up these errant issues.  Apparently  
> not.  It's
> seeming more and more like I will have to make another move of the  
> server if
> this can't be resolved soon....  (and yes it's affecting my other  
> servers
> too...)
>
> please bear with me on this,
> rk
>
>
>
> On Saturday 10 May 2008 22:19, agamotto wrote:
>> Hallo, I still seem to be having trouble getting mail from the  
>> list, so I
>> will just check the archive periodically.
>>
>> I have discovered in the last week that the following work under  
>> Ubuntu
>> 8.04
>>
>> Belkin USB Wireless G adapter.  Model f5d7050, ver. 4001.  I found  
>> this at
>> Walmart, plugged it in, and magically, it 'just worked!'  These can  
>> be
>> found easily at Walmart and Target.
>>
>> Hauppauge Wintv HVR 1800 tuner card.  This card finally works with
>> Mythbuntu 8.04.  The analog tuner is not working ATM, but the  
>> digital input
>> had no problem locking on to local OTA channels.  I tried to fetch  
>> the
>> local channels from the Mediacom cable feed with limited success.   
>> I got
>> some stations, but very odd channel assignments.  WQPT looks  
>> fantastic in
>> HD!
>>
>> Randy
>>
>>
>> I might even do a digital version of my Mythbuntu demo in the next  
>> few
>> months if I get this tweaked better.
>> _______________________________________________
>> QCLUG mailing list
>> QCLUG@qclug.org
>> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug
>
> _______________________________________________
> QCLUG mailing list
> QCLUG@qclug.org
> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug

Dave Bergert
dbergert@gmail.com



From vorlon@dodds.net  Thu May 15 05:59:31 2008
From: vorlon@dodds.net (Steve Langasek)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 21:59:31 -0700
Subject: [QCLUG] Virus in Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <7F0A329D-C35B-4CEF-A0D4-4E89F2801773@gmail.com>
References: <30cf66b30805141543n36ae4919w2fb6e40c70d4243d@mail.gmail.com>
	<7F0A329D-C35B-4CEF-A0D4-4E89F2801773@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080515045927.GF25952@dario.dodds.net>

On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 08:40:17PM -0500, Dave Bergert wrote:
> Speaking of Linux Security ...

> Has anyone see this:
> http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=4414

Yes.

> OpenSSH: Predictable PRNG in debian and ubuntu Linux

> Any comments or thoughts ?

Take it seriously.  If you're running Debian or Ubuntu (or a derivative
thereof based on something newer than sarge/edgy), follow the directions in
the security advisories to get your system updated and generate new host and
user keys to replace any vulnerable ones.  If you have a DSA SSH key (not
the default) that you've used to *authenticate* to/from a host affected by
this issue, consider that this key may be compromised and replace it even if
it was not generated on a vulnerable system.

Debian's alioth code hosting service has taken the precaution of disabling
all use of DSA keys for authentication, allowing only RSA2 keys to be used
for access.  This is a very broad policy change and may conceivably be
reversed in the future once the storm has passed, but for the time being
this is a prudent course of action given that a DSA key belonging to any
random user on their (or your, or anyone's) host could already be
compromised without their knowledge and used as a vector for further
compromising, or could be compromised in the very process of using it if the
remote user has not yet upgraded their vulnerable OpenSSL implementation.

  http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/05/msg00004.html

So even if *you* don't run any Debian or Ubuntu systems, if you run any
server that allows other users to log in, disabling DSA authentication
altogether is something you may want to consider.  Unfortunately, there
doesn't seem to be a way to do this in general with OpenSSH at present. 
However, one precautionary step to take is to disable the DSA host key on
the server side, by commenting out the 'HostKey /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key'
line in /etc/ssh/sshd_config.

-- 
Steve Langasek                   Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS
Debian Developer                   to set it on, and I can move the world.
Ubuntu Developer                                    http://www.debian.org/
slangasek@ubuntu.com                                     vorlon@debian.org
From Robert@RM-Jones.com  Thu May 15 13:55:16 2008
From: Robert@RM-Jones.com (Robert Jones)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 07:55:16 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] Virus in Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <20080515045927.GF25952@dario.dodds.net>
References: <30cf66b30805141543n36ae4919w2fb6e40c70d4243d@mail.gmail.com>
	<7F0A329D-C35B-4CEF-A0D4-4E89F2801773@gmail.com>
	<20080515045927.GF25952@dario.dodds.net>
Message-ID: <482C32B4.3090509@RM-Jones.com>

Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 08:40:17PM -0500, Dave Bergert wrote:
>   
>> Speaking of Linux Security ...
>>     
> Take it seriously. If you're running Debian or Ubuntu (or a derivative
> thereof based on something newer than sarge/edgy), follow the directions in
> the security advisories to get your system updated and generate new host and
> user keys to replace any vulnerable ones.  If you have a DSA SSH key (not
> the default) that you've used to *authenticate* to/from a host affected by
> this issue, consider that this key may be compromised and replace it even if
> it was not generated on a vulnerable system.
It's all Greek to me. I can only understand a little of this post as I 
don't know most of the terms used. I have just installed Ubuntu 8.04 on 
a formatted drive. The only thing that is encrypted is my password and 
wallet as far as I know. I haven't encrypted my drives or any files.
Is this something I should be concerned about? Should I be taking action 
to change something or will an update from Ubuntu take care of it for me?
Thanks for the information.
Bob Jones
From dbergert@gmail.com  Thu May 15 14:37:21 2008
From: dbergert@gmail.com (Dave Bergert)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 08:37:21 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] Virus in Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <482C32B4.3090509@RM-Jones.com>
References: <30cf66b30805141543n36ae4919w2fb6e40c70d4243d@mail.gmail.com>
	<7F0A329D-C35B-4CEF-A0D4-4E89F2801773@gmail.com>
	<20080515045927.GF25952@dario.dodds.net> <482C32B4.3090509@RM-Jones.com>
Message-ID: <4363E19E-9E77-414F-BE72-5EF1F5F806C4@gmail.com>

>>
> It's all Greek to me. I can only understand a little of this post as  
> I don't know most of the terms used. I have just installed Ubuntu  
> 8.04 on a formatted drive. The only thing that is encrypted is my  
> password and wallet as far as I know. I haven't encrypted my drives  
> or any files.
> Is this something I should be concerned about? Should I be taking  
> action to change something or will an update from Ubuntu take care  
> of it for me?


You will wanted to keep your system updated -- on my debian 4.0 - I did:

#apt-get update
#apt-get upgrade
followed by an:
#apt-get dist-upgrade

There were new open-ssh-client and open-ssh-server packages, as well  
as updated libssl - the setup scripts created new keys for me for  
ssh.  I also created a SSL certification on my server (running etch)  
so I will need to create a new one.

This vulnerability will typically affect any users that "ssh" into  
their box across the network, or have a debian or ubuntu system setup  
as a server (VPN, SSL email, https server) and doesn't really impact  
desktop users too much.

A full list of applications affected is located on this page along  
with more gory technical details:)
http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys

--Dave Bergert


>
> Thanks for the information.
> Bob Jones
> _______________________________________________
> QCLUG mailing list
> QCLUG@qclug.org
> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug

Dave Bergert
dbergert@gmail.com



From vorlon@dodds.net  Thu May 15 19:26:21 2008
From: vorlon@dodds.net (Steve Langasek)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 11:26:21 -0700
Subject: [QCLUG] Virus in Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <482C32B4.3090509@RM-Jones.com>
References: <30cf66b30805141543n36ae4919w2fb6e40c70d4243d@mail.gmail.com>
	<7F0A329D-C35B-4CEF-A0D4-4E89F2801773@gmail.com>
	<20080515045927.GF25952@dario.dodds.net> <482C32B4.3090509@RM-Jones.com>
Message-ID: <20080515182621.GD2366@dario.dodds.net>

On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 07:55:16AM -0500, Robert Jones wrote:
>> Take it seriously. If you're running Debian or Ubuntu (or a derivative
>> thereof based on something newer than sarge/edgy), follow the directions in
>> the security advisories to get your system updated and generate new host and
>> user keys to replace any vulnerable ones.  If you have a DSA SSH key (not
>> the default) that you've used to *authenticate* to/from a host affected by
>> this issue, consider that this key may be compromised and replace it even if
>> it was not generated on a vulnerable system.

> It's all Greek to me. I can only understand a little of this post as I  
> don't know most of the terms used. I have just installed Ubuntu 8.04 on  
> a formatted drive. The only thing that is encrypted is my password and  
> wallet as far as I know. I haven't encrypted my drives or any files.
> Is this something I should be concerned about? Should I be taking action  
> to change something or will an update from Ubuntu take care of it for me?
> Thanks for the information.

If you've already applied the update, then your own system is now secure.
The rest of the information is for folks who run their own servers or who
have their own SSH keys that they use for connecting to other machines; if
you don't know what this means, then it almost certainly doesn't apply to
you and you can rest easy.

-- 
Steve Langasek                   Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS
Debian Developer                   to set it on, and I can move the world.
Ubuntu Developer                                    http://www.debian.org/
slangasek@ubuntu.com                                     vorlon@debian.org
From Robert@RM-Jones.com  Thu May 15 21:40:28 2008
From: Robert@RM-Jones.com (Robert Jones)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 15:40:28 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] Virus in Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <20080515182621.GD2366@dario.dodds.net>
References: <30cf66b30805141543n36ae4919w2fb6e40c70d4243d@mail.gmail.com>
	<7F0A329D-C35B-4CEF-A0D4-4E89F2801773@gmail.com>
	<20080515045927.GF25952@dario.dodds.net> <482C32B4.3090509@RM-Jones.com>
	<20080515182621.GD2366@dario.dodds.net>
Message-ID: <482C9FBC.5030801@RM-Jones.com>

Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 07:55:16AM -0500, Robert Jones wrote:
>   
> If you've already applied the update, then your own system is now secure.
> The rest of the information is for folks who run their own servers or who
> have their own SSH keys that they use for connecting to other machines; if
> you don't know what this means, then it almost certainly doesn't apply to
> you and you can rest easy.
Thanks Steve and Dave. That explains it. I'm glad to know that I don't 
have to worry about it except to keep my system up to date. I don't have 
any plans to setup a server.
Thanks again.
Bob Jones
From nickmiller92@gmail.com  Sat May 17 16:30:41 2008
From: nickmiller92@gmail.com (Nick Miller)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 10:30:41 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] Java Plugin for Firefox
Message-ID: <482EFA21.90107@gmail.com>

I've recently spent the last few hours trying to get Java to work in 
Firefox on Arch Linux. I downloaded JRE 1.6 (self-extracting file) from 
Java's site and followed the instructions as such:

1. cd to firefox plugins (~/.mozilla/plugins for me....at least I think 
that's the right directory)
2. create symbolic link for java (i used "ln -s 
/usr/java/jre1.6.0_05/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so .")
3. restart firefox

The command for creating a symbolic link seemed to work (it put the link 
in the directory), but every time I visit a page with a Java applet, the 
applet won't display. Although, Firefox does not issue a warning saying 
Java is not installed. Any ideas on a fix?

Nick
From mriedesel@gmail.com  Tue May 20 07:26:21 2008
From: mriedesel@gmail.com (Mark Riedesel)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 01:26:21 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] Revealed.net domain sold *again* ?
Message-ID: <1c9537490805192326p5468b676k75626c88de7333d4@mail.gmail.com>

This obviously isn't directly Linux related, but I know a few of us on
the list had been faithful revealed.net customers in the past years.
We're all aware of SoloConnect's acquisition and resultant sub-par
customer service, they were at least courteous enough to provide free
email forwards for our old revealed.net e-mail addresses.

Well, it seems as though SoloConnect has sold the revealed.net domain
name to Network Business Systems ( nbson.com ) located in Geneseo, IL
who are now offering @revealed.net addresses for $60/year which seems
rather exorbitant considering all the excellent free email providers
available nowadays. The real kicker is that they've also chosen to
charge the same fee for e-mail forwarding which is unfortunate for
those of us who have had revealed.net addresses since the early
1990's.

So my question for the old revealed.net address holders, what are you
guys planning to do? The other question being for anyone else that's
had a situation where an ISP sells off a domain name to a
exponentially less courteous company? Obviously if you own a domain,
you get to choose what you do with it, it's just unfortunate in
situations such as this one.

Mark

*grumble grumble*
From dbergert@gmail.com  Tue May 20 13:19:23 2008
From: dbergert@gmail.com (Dave Bergert)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 07:19:23 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] Revealed.net domain sold *again* ?
In-Reply-To: <1c9537490805192326p5468b676k75626c88de7333d4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1c9537490805192326p5468b676k75626c88de7333d4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4BE9055B-FF29-4239-BC6D-04F399F10A82@gmail.com>

I recently helped the QCMUG - whose website has been down since Oct  
2007 - get this transfered to a different registrar and hosting  
provider.  www.qcmug.org

(BTW- support@nbson.com) has been CC'ed to this email as well.

Some notes:

The admin contact on Whois for the domain - was changed to "Victor@soloconnect.net 
"  -- being the admin contact - when we tried to transfer the domain  
to a different registrar - the admin contact would be the one who  
would get the emails to approve the transfer -  victor never returned  
many emails or phone calls, nor did anyone else at soloconnect   -   
Luckily in the end we found that the domain name was purchased from an  
online reseller (incidentally the support listed for this was hostmaster@nbson.com 
  -- the Geneso guys) - and we were  able to login and change the  
admin contact detail - Luckily we found that old email..  Otherwise I  
suspect that we would be filling out domain dispute forms and faxing  
documentation to prove the domain name was ours.

Also the DNS records in whois where set to www.1and1.com -- apparently  
1&1 account were setup by Solo/Revealed - but never paid for -  but  
since we could transfer our domain we could change the DNS settings.

I didn't contact anyone at Nbson - the geneseo group -- although they  
appeared to provide more information on their website about the  
history of the problems-- See the google cache: http://tinyurl.com/6boxsj 
  -- this was the message on their website - that gave a little  
history.   I wanted to have control of everything and not - have the  
some situation repeat itsself - so We maintain the domain name, and  
registrar information .  So nbson wasn't even an option for us --  
which maybe a little unfair (to them) - but we were left in a tough  
position with the revealed/soloconnect/nbson deal.  --

$60 for email hosting is something that I could probably live with for  
a year to regain my email account, and have a year to transfer to a  
new gmail or email domain account - however $60 to setup a forwarder,  
for loyal customers seems to be price gouging - especially for people  
who haven't had the change to change email addresses from many  
websites, and feel that they are forced to do this to receive their  
email.  Perhaps they could offer an option to host their email for a  
fee and forward the email for another free.    Revealed customers have  
been dicked around - that being charged a high fee for there email  
would make we want to trade providers -- which is a little sad because  
most people who were revealed customers liked to support "local"  
companies, and will probably move on.

--DB


On May 20, 2008, at 1:26 AM, Mark Riedesel wrote:

> This obviously isn't directly Linux related, but I know a few of us on
> the list had been faithful revealed.net customers in the past years.
> We're all aware of SoloConnect's acquisition and resultant sub-par
> customer service, they were at least courteous enough to provide free
> email forwards for our old revealed.net e-mail addresses.
>
> Well, it seems as though SoloConnect has sold the revealed.net domain
> name to Network Business Systems ( nbson.com ) located in Geneseo, IL
> who are now offering @revealed.net addresses for $60/year which seems
> rather exorbitant considering all the excellent free email providers
> available nowadays. The real kicker is that they've also chosen to
> charge the same fee for e-mail forwarding which is unfortunate for
> those of us who have had revealed.net addresses since the early
> 1990's.
>
> So my question for the old revealed.net address holders, what are you
> guys planning to do? The other question being for anyone else that's
> had a situation where an ISP sells off a domain name to a
> exponentially less courteous company? Obviously if you own a domain,
> you get to choose what you do with it, it's just unfortunate in
> situations such as this one.
>
> Mark
>
> *grumble grumble*
> _______________________________________________
> QCLUG mailing list
> QCLUG@qclug.org
> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug

Dave Bergert
dbergert@gmail.com



From mike.a.nelson@digitalservitude.com  Wed May 21 01:40:02 2008
From: mike.a.nelson@digitalservitude.com (Michael Nelson)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 19:40:02 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] introduction
Message-ID: <20080521004002.GA8074@digitalservitude.com>

Hello,
	I just wanted to introduce myself. Ive come across the QCLUG 
site before but this time Ive signed up to see if it was even active 
anymore since the site seemed out of date. It appears that you guys are 
alive and well ;) My name is Mike (if you havent been able to tell 
already) and Im a UNIX/Linux professional in the QC area and have 
enjoyed the posts you have made over the last couple weeks. I too have 
lost my hosting company and am trying to rebuild my website/server as 
well as getting some home automation including video and audio streaming 
going. Currently and Ubuntu user although I use and maintain many 
others.

Look forward to your future posts!
Mike Nelson
From arronlorenz@gmail.com  Thu May 22 15:06:16 2008
From: arronlorenz@gmail.com (Arron Lorenz)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 09:06:16 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] introduction
In-Reply-To: <20080521004002.GA8074@digitalservitude.com>
References: <20080521004002.GA8074@digitalservitude.com>
Message-ID: <30cf66b30805220706p6d7ad131j41502d0c586cb0fb@mail.gmail.com>

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Welcome!

On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Michael Nelson <
mike.a.nelson@digitalservitude.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>        I just wanted to introduce myself. Ive come across the QCLUG
> site before but this time Ive signed up to see if it was even active
> anymore since the site seemed out of date. It appears that you guys are
> alive and well ;) My name is Mike (if you havent been able to tell
> already) and Im a UNIX/Linux professional in the QC area and have
> enjoyed the posts you have made over the last couple weeks. I too have
> lost my hosting company and am trying to rebuild my website/server as
> well as getting some home automation including video and audio streaming
> going. Currently and Ubuntu user although I use and maintain many
> others.
>
> Look forward to your future posts!
> Mike Nelson
> _______________________________________________
> QCLUG mailing list
> QCLUG@qclug.org
> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug
>



-- 
From:
Arron James Lorenz
Reel to Reel Drive In
http://www.DavenportDriveIn.com
563-579-7046

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From mriedesel@gmail.com  Thu May 22 15:15:19 2008
From: mriedesel@gmail.com (Mark Riedesel)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 09:15:19 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] "Simple" internet help-desk
Message-ID: <1c9537490805220715p94fd76erbe49bd2e0d93373a@mail.gmail.com>

(I had sent this yesterday, but the list was down, so here it is again)

At the last meeting, Jim had mentioned how it's a bit of a hassle to
drive out to people's homes whenever their computer has a little
hiccup, if they have a simple question about what's on their screen,
or where to click to perform some specific task. Ya know, typical noob
stuff :-)

So I figured I'd write a quick short howto for setting up a simple
system where the remote individual can establish a connection to the
helper's computer in a "very easy" manner. I know KDE and Gnome now
have built-in remote desktop functionality, but this method is pretty
simple and provides the person requiring help to only perform a couple
clicks and is fairly idiot proof.


SUMMARIZED VERSION

helper machine
 * install xtightvncviewer
 * get a static IP from your ISP or set up a dynamic dns service
 * forward/open TCP port 5500
 * run vncviewer -listen  (with optional -quality and -compresslevel arguments )

remote machine
 * install x11vnc, zenity
 * run x11vnc -connect HelperHostname


LENGTHY OVERLY VERBOSE VERSION

Step 1, setting up the helper computer.

On the helper computer (ie. your computer), you will need either a
static IP or some sort of dynamic DNS service such as those provided
by afraid.org or no-ip.com. For the sake of this howto, I'll describe
the steps of setting up dynamic dns with no-ip.com.

Go to www.no-ip.com, click on "No-IP Free", follow the sign-up process
and write down your account details somewhere safe. Install the no-ip
updater program which is also available as a Debian package ( apt-get
install noip2 ). The Debian package should guide you through
configuration, it's fairly painless. The purpose of this program is to
report your IP address back to no-ip.com so they can update your
domain name to always point to your IP, even if your ISP reassigns you
a new IP. If you have a static IP from your ISP, then you could have
skipped this step entirely.

If you're behind a firewall, you'll need to allow/forward TCP port
5500 to your helper computer.

Next thing is to install vncviewer ( apt-get install xtightvncviewer )

Your helper computer is now ready.

Step 2, setting up the remote "helpee" computer

Install both x11vnc and zenity packages.

Open up a text editor such as nano or vi, and copy & paste the
following two lines between the dashes into the file..

--- code begins --
#!/bin/bash
HOSTADDR=YourDynamicDNSAddress; if $(zenity --title "Share Desktop"
--question --text="Click OK to share desktop with $HOSTADDR"); then
x11vnc -connect $HOSTADDR; fi;
--- code ends --

Replace the string "YourDynamicDNSAddress" with your static IP or
dynamic DNS address (the one you set up with no-ip.com).

Save the file somewhere decent, /usr/bin/connect2help or something
equally suitable, make it executable ( chmod +x /usr/bin/connect2help
). Be sure to put it somewhere where the user can't accidentally
delete it.

Now figure out a simple method for the helpless person to run our
newly created script. Creating a desktop launcher icon which calls
/usr/bin/connect2help would probably do the trick.


Step 3, cross fingers and hope it works

On your helper computer, pop open an xterm and run vncviewer -listen
-quality 5 -compresslevel 9. You can of course change the quality and
compresslevel values, lower quality will run a bit faster over slow
connections. Once your vncviewer is running in listen mode, then the
person on the other end requiring help can click their connect2help
launcher icon and if everything works, the helper will see the
helpee's desktop appear and can guide them through performing menial
noob tasks.

Note there's a small security flaw in the whole setup, some random
malicious individual may share their desktop with you and make you
look at lolcat photos, so it may be a good idea to not leave vncviewer
-listen running unless you expect the person requiring assistance to
be connecting.

--
Mark
From belthesar@belthesar.com  Wed May 21 21:16:38 2008
From: belthesar@belthesar.com (Cody Wilson)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 15:16:38 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] Revealed.net domain sold *again* ?
In-Reply-To: <4BE9055B-FF29-4239-BC6D-04F399F10A82@gmail.com>
References: <1c9537490805192326p5468b676k75626c88de7333d4@mail.gmail.com>
	<4BE9055B-FF29-4239-BC6D-04F399F10A82@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48348326.3060909@belthesar.com>

Hello LUG. 

My name's Cody, and I too am a casualty of the former Revealed / 
SoloConnect tsunami, but from the inside.  I am a former Revealed / Solo 
employee that worked under our dear Roadkill (who was the best boss I've 
ever had, hands down. Thanks again, RK.)

Network Business Solutions isn't a "terrible" company, but they are 
still no Revealed as far as the support and services they are offering.  
Then again, part of that is charging people (in some respects) a little 
fairer price for the services they are getting.  I dunno though too much.

The $60/yr e-mails they are offering are Google Apps hosted domain 
e-mails.  I mean, if you -really- want that revealed.net e-mail address, 
by all means, but Google Apps e-mail is extremely easy to come by (I've 
moved my domain's e-mail to it with 0 pain, and unless Google really 
screws something up, I don't think I'll be going back.) 

I'm sorry things had to go the way they did with Revealed, as I didn't 
really want to leave.  It was a great learning experience for me, and a 
blast to play with so much cool hardware. But when Solo stops paying 
you... you kind of have no choice but to leave. :-\

If I were you... buck up and just drop the rotting husk that is 
www.revealed.net and move on.  It's not Bill Reveal behind the company 
anymore... everyone that you know from the Revealed family is moving on 
to bigger and better things, and the magic behind the ISP is dead. 

-Cody Wilson
belthesar@belthesar.com
www.belthesar.com

Dave Bergert wrote:
> I recently helped the QCMUG - whose website has been down since Oct 
> 2007 - get this transfered to a different registrar and hosting 
> provider.  www.qcmug.org
>
> (BTW- support@nbson.com) has been CC'ed to this email as well.
>
> Some notes:
>
> The admin contact on Whois for the domain - was changed to 
> "Victor@soloconnect.net"  -- being the admin contact - when we tried 
> to transfer the domain to a different registrar - the admin contact 
> would be the one who would get the emails to approve the transfer -  
> victor never returned many emails or phone calls, nor did anyone else 
> at soloconnect   -  Luckily in the end we found that the domain name 
> was purchased from an online reseller (incidentally the support listed 
> for this was hostmaster@nbson.com -- the Geneso guys) - and we were  
> able to login and change the admin contact detail - Luckily we found 
> that old email..  Otherwise I suspect that we would be filling out 
> domain dispute forms and faxing documentation to prove the domain name 
> was ours.
>
> Also the DNS records in whois where set to www.1and1.com -- apparently 
> 1&1 account were setup by Solo/Revealed - but never paid for -  but 
> since we could transfer our domain we could change the DNS settings.
>
> I didn't contact anyone at Nbson - the geneseo group -- although they 
> appeared to provide more information on their website about the 
> history of the problems-- See the google cache: 
> http://tinyurl.com/6boxsj -- this was the message on their website - 
> that gave a little history.   I wanted to have control of everything 
> and not - have the some situation repeat itsself - so We maintain the 
> domain name, and registrar information .  So nbson wasn't even an 
> option for us -- which maybe a little unfair (to them) - but we were 
> left in a tough position with the revealed/soloconnect/nbson deal.  --
>
> $60 for email hosting is something that I could probably live with for 
> a year to regain my email account, and have a year to transfer to a 
> new gmail or email domain account - however $60 to setup a forwarder, 
> for loyal customers seems to be price gouging - especially for people 
> who haven't had the change to change email addresses from many 
> websites, and feel that they are forced to do this to receive their 
> email.  Perhaps they could offer an option to host their email for a 
> fee and forward the email for another free.    Revealed customers have 
> been dicked around - that being charged a high fee for there email 
> would make we want to trade providers -- which is a little sad because 
> most people who were revealed customers liked to support "local" 
> companies, and will probably move on.
>
> --DB
>
>
> On May 20, 2008, at 1:26 AM, Mark Riedesel wrote:
>
>> This obviously isn't directly Linux related, but I know a few of us on
>> the list had been faithful revealed.net customers in the past years.
>> We're all aware of SoloConnect's acquisition and resultant sub-par
>> customer service, they were at least courteous enough to provide free
>> email forwards for our old revealed.net e-mail addresses.
>>
>> Well, it seems as though SoloConnect has sold the revealed.net domain
>> name to Network Business Systems ( nbson.com ) located in Geneseo, IL
>> who are now offering @revealed.net addresses for $60/year which seems
>> rather exorbitant considering all the excellent free email providers
>> available nowadays. The real kicker is that they've also chosen to
>> charge the same fee for e-mail forwarding which is unfortunate for
>> those of us who have had revealed.net addresses since the early
>> 1990's.
>>
>> So my question for the old revealed.net address holders, what are you
>> guys planning to do? The other question being for anyone else that's
>> had a situation where an ISP sells off a domain name to a
>> exponentially less courteous company? Obviously if you own a domain,
>> you get to choose what you do with it, it's just unfortunate in
>> situations such as this one.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> *grumble grumble*
>> _______________________________________________
>> QCLUG mailing list
>> QCLUG@qclug.org
>> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug
>
> Dave Bergert
> dbergert@gmail.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> QCLUG mailing list
> QCLUG@qclug.org
> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug
From dbergert@gmail.com  Thu May 22 15:40:05 2008
From: dbergert@gmail.com (Dave Bergert)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 09:40:05 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] introduction
In-Reply-To: <20080521004002.GA8074@digitalservitude.com>
References: <20080521004002.GA8074@digitalservitude.com>
Message-ID: <71F8602D-230A-4A3D-BA7E-6AE14A4735EC@gmail.com>

Welcome.

On May 20, 2008, at 7:40 PM, Michael Nelson wrote:

> Hello,
> 	I just wanted to introduce myself. Ive come across the QCLUG
> site before but this time Ive signed up to see if it was even active
> anymore since the site seemed out of date. It appears that you guys  
> are
> alive and well ;) My name is Mike (if you havent been able to tell
> already) and Im a UNIX/Linux professional in the QC area and have
> enjoyed the posts you have made over the last couple weeks. I too have
> lost my hosting company and am trying to rebuild my website/server as
> well as getting some home automation including video and audio  
> streaming
> going. Currently and Ubuntu user although I use and maintain many
> others.
>
> Look forward to your future posts!
> Mike Nelson
> _______________________________________________
> QCLUG mailing list
> QCLUG@qclug.org
> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug

Dave Bergert
dbergert@gmail.com



From volunteer.jim@gmail.com  Thu May 22 15:42:24 2008
From: volunteer.jim@gmail.com (Jim Hall)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 09:42:24 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] introduction
In-Reply-To: <71F8602D-230A-4A3D-BA7E-6AE14A4735EC@gmail.com>
References: <20080521004002.GA8074@digitalservitude.com>
	 <71F8602D-230A-4A3D-BA7E-6AE14A4735EC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <997c8c1b0805220742k50efff71lc2aeead0f89c9dbc@mail.gmail.com>

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On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Dave Bergert <dbergert@gmail.com> wrote:

> Welcome.
>
>
> On May 20, 2008, at 7:40 PM, Michael Nelson wrote:
>
>  Hello,
>>        I just wanted to introduce myself. Ive come across the QCLUG
>> site before but this time Ive signed up to see if it was even active
>> anymore since the site seemed out of date. It appears that you guys are
>> alive and well ;) My name is Mike (if you havent been able to tell
>> already) and Im a UNIX/Linux professional in the QC area and have
>> enjoyed the posts you have made over the last couple weeks. I too have
>> lost my hosting company and am trying to rebuild my website/server as
>> well as getting some home automation including video and audio streaming
>> going. Currently and Ubuntu user although I use and maintain many
>> others.
>>
>> Look forward to your future posts!
>> Mike Nelson
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>
>


Welcome to the group, Mike.

Jim

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From: volunteer.jim@gmail.com (Jim Hall)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 09:47:15 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] Revealed.net domain sold *again* ?
In-Reply-To: <48348326.3060909@belthesar.com>
References: <1c9537490805192326p5468b676k75626c88de7333d4@mail.gmail.com>
	 <4BE9055B-FF29-4239-BC6D-04F399F10A82@gmail.com>
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On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Cody Wilson <belthesar@belthesar.com>
wrote:

> Hello LUG.
> My name's Cody, and I too am a casualty of the former Revealed /
> SoloConnect tsunami, but from the inside.  I am a former Revealed / Solo
> employee that worked under our dear Roadkill (who was the best boss I've
> ever had, hands down. Thanks again, RK.)
>
> Network Business Solutions isn't a "terrible" company, but they are still
> no Revealed as far as the support and services they are offering.  Then
> again, part of that is charging people (in some respects) a little fairer
> price for the services they are getting.  I dunno though too much.
>
> The $60/yr e-mails they are offering are Google Apps hosted domain e-mails.
>  I mean, if you -really- want that revealed.net e-mail address, by all
> means, but Google Apps e-mail is extremely easy to come by (I've moved my
> domain's e-mail to it with 0 pain, and unless Google really screws something
> up, I don't think I'll be going back.)
> I'm sorry things had to go the way they did with Revealed, as I didn't
> really want to leave.  It was a great learning experience for me, and a
> blast to play with so much cool hardware. But when Solo stops paying you...
> you kind of have no choice but to leave. :-\
>
> If I were you... buck up and just drop the rotting husk that is
> www.revealed.net and move on.  It's not Bill Reveal behind the company
> anymore... everyone that you know from the Revealed family is moving on to
> bigger and better things, and the magic behind the ISP is dead.
> -Cody Wilson
> belthesar@belthesar.com
> www.belthesar.com
>
>
>

I'm very sorry to see things come to this, but there doesn't seem to be much
else most of us can do.

Jim

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From Robert@RM-Jones.com  Wed May 21 21:17:40 2008
From: Robert@RM-Jones.com (Robert Jones)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 15:17:40 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] APTonCD
Message-ID: <48348364.3020403@RM-Jones.com>

I found something that made reinstalling Ubuntu much easier. A lot of 
you probably already know about it but just in case someone may not I 
figured I would let you know.

I did something DUMB and I blew my Ubuntu 8.04 graphics and I couldn't 
get it back (it only had about a 600 x 400 resolution or something like 
that). Not nearly high enough to display correctly on my computer. What 
did I do that was so DUMB, you ask. I did something that I knew better 
because it had caused the same problem for me before. A couple of times 
in the past I tried to change the screen size in the “Administrator” 
mode. Each time it did the same thing. After I had installed and was 
using Crossover Linux I was having trouble getting my resolution to stay 
where I wanted it. It kept on resetting to the highest resolution when I 
started the computer.. So I thought, incorrectly so, that “Maybe This 
Time It Will Work From The Administrator Mode”. Ya, sure it will. DUMB. 
Anyway, I blew it and couldn't get it back.

The only part of reinstalling Ubuntu that is bad is going through the 
LONG list of programs and deciding which one to install. I thought I 
would give APTonCD a try. You can find APTonCD either using “Add/Remove 
Programs” or Synaptic. I found out that APTonCD is a really great program

When I ran it APTonCD gave me the options of putting the files on 4 CD's 
or 1 DVD. I chose the DVD. It then saved an .iso file with all the 
applications on it.After it completed building the file and saving it 
the next question was if I wanted to burn it now. Next it wanted to know 
which program to use to burn the DVD and I chose K3B which is the one I 
like best and then it jumped into K3B and away we went. Easy.

I transferred all the files that I didn't want to lose, just in case 
something went wrong, from /home to my “Data” disk and then I shut the 
computer down.

I did a new install from the Ubuntu disk without formatting my /home. 
When I restarted my computer I had it do all the updates to the original 
install. Next I ran the recover part of APTonCD. All it did was add the 
DVD to my sources for Synaptic. I launched Synaptic, turned off all the 
repositories except that DVD. Then I did a "Reload" which only loaded 
the files on the DVD.

As I was working my way though “selecting” all the files I found that by 
“selecting” “APTonCD-metapackage” it selected all the files that 
remained. So just scroll down to “APTonCD-metapackage” and double click 
it and save yourself some work. When I clicked on “Apply” it installed 
everything from the DVD. It worked great. In a very short time I had 
completely rebuilt my Ubuntu / Kubuntu system. Since I didn't format my 
/home folder, which was on a separate partition, I didn't even have to 
set things up again. Outstanding.

That's all there is to it. I am now a Very Happy Penguin :-)
Bob Jones

PS: The above was what I posted on my Blog, www.RM-Jones.com/adventure 
where I have been posting some "A Beginner Installing Ubuntu / Kubuntu 
8.04 Hardy Heron" articles telling about my learning cycle of trying to 
learn about Linux. It seems a lot of people are finding my Linux posts. 
Maybe some even like them, who knows :-)


From mriedesel@gmail.com  Wed May 21 17:59:39 2008
From: mriedesel@gmail.com (Mark Riedesel)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 11:59:39 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] "Simple" internet help-desk
Message-ID: <1c9537490805210959o69cb079dy5e66a88c1613c78f@mail.gmail.com>

At the last meeting, Jim had mentioned how it's a bit of a hassle to
drive out to people's homes whenever their computer has a little
hiccup, if they have a simple question about what's on their screen,
or where to click to perform some specific task. Ya know, typical noob
stuff :-)

So I figured I'd write a quick short howto for setting up a simple
system where the remote individual can establish a connection to the
helper's computer in a "very easy" manner. I know KDE and Gnome now
have built-in remote desktop functionality, but this method is pretty
simple and provides the person requiring help to only perform a couple
clicks and is fairly idiot proof.


SUMMARIZED VERSION

helper machine
 * install xtightvncviewer
 * get a static IP from your ISP or set up a dynamic dns service
 * forward/open TCP port 5500
 * run vncviewer -listen  (with optional -quality and -compresslevel arguments )

remote machine
 * install x11vnc, zenity
 * run x11vnc -connect HelperHostname


LENGTHY OVERLY VERBOSE VERSION

Step 1, setting up the helper computer.

On the helper computer (ie. your computer), you will need either a
static IP or some sort of dynamic DNS service such as those provided
by afraid.org or no-ip.com. For the sake of this howto, I'll describe
the steps of setting up dynamic dns with no-ip.com.

Go to www.no-ip.com, click on "No-IP Free", follow the sign-up process
and write down your account details somewhere safe. Install the no-ip
updater program which is also available as a Debian package ( apt-get
install noip2 ). The Debian package should guide you through
configuration, it's fairly painless. The purpose of this program is to
report your IP address back to no-ip.com so they can update your
domain name to always point to your IP, even if your ISP reassigns you
a new IP. If you have a static IP from your ISP, then you could have
skipped this step entirely.

If you're behind a firewall, you'll need to allow/forward TCP port
5500 to your helper computer.

Next thing is to install vncviewer ( apt-get install xtightvncviewer )

Your helper computer is now ready.

Step 2, setting up the remote "helpee" computer

Install both x11vnc and zenity packages.

Open up a text editor such as nano or vi, and copy & paste the
following two lines between the dashes into the file..

--- code begins --
#!/bin/bash
HOSTADDR=YourDynamicDNSAddress; if $(zenity --title "Share Desktop"
--question --text="Click OK to share desktop with $HOSTADDR"); then
x11vnc -connect $HOSTADDR; fi;
--- code ends --

Replace the string "YourDynamicDNSAddress" with your static IP or
dynamic DNS address (the one you set up with no-ip.com).

Save the file somewhere decent, /usr/bin/connect2help or something
equally suitable, make it executable ( chmod +x /usr/bin/connect2help
). Be sure to put it somewhere where the user can't accidentally
delete it.

Now figure out a simple method for the helpless person to run our
newly created script. Creating a desktop launcher icon which calls
/usr/bin/connect2help would probably do the trick.


Step 3, cross fingers and hope it works

On your helper computer, pop open an xterm and run vncviewer -listen
-quality 5 -compresslevel 9. You can of course change the quality and
compresslevel values, lower quality will run a bit faster over slow
connections. Once your vncviewer is running in listen mode, then the
person on the other end requiring help can click their connect2help
launcher icon and if everything works, the helper will see the
helpee's desktop appear and can guide them through performing menial
noob tasks.

Note there's a small security flaw in the whole setup, some random
malicious individual may share their desktop with you and make you
look at lolcat photos, so it may be a good idea to not leave vncviewer
-listen running unless you expect the person requiring assistance to
be connecting.

--
Mark
From Robert@RM-Jones.com  Fri May 23 14:25:39 2008
From: Robert@RM-Jones.com (Robert Jones)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 08:25:39 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] KMenu problems
Message-ID: <4836C5D3.30008@RM-Jones.com>

I have tried to find a way to resolve this by searching and with Google 
but haven't had much luck. Maybe on of you have had a similar problem.
I'm using Kubuntu 8.04 (had the same problem with 7.10) KDE3. I organize 
my "KMenu" by creating sub-folders and moving items where I want the to 
make it easy to find what I want. While doing this I create a few "Work" 
sub-folders. Then when I'm toward the end of the process I rename them 
and any that I don't need I delete.
The problem is that I have a couple that just won't go away. Also, there 
are some menu items in them that won't go away. I have deleted them all 
at once, one at a time, even tried to move the menu items somewhere 
else. They just love it where they are and refuse to move or go away. Of 
course I "Saved" it after I deleted or moved them. I also have one menu 
item (LinuxTrade) that is stuck in the "Lost and Found" menu.
Do you know how to force it to delete a menu item and sub-folder from 
the KMenu?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Bob Jones
From roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com  Sat May 24 23:30:13 2008
From: roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com (Roadkill the Avatar of Misfortune)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 17:30:13 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] Revealed.net domain sold *again* ?
In-Reply-To: <1c9537490805192326p5468b676k75626c88de7333d4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1c9537490805192326p5468b676k75626c88de7333d4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200805241730.14218.roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com>

Yeah, due to some issues I can't really speak about, the remaining Revealed 
hosting was moved over to NBS.  I worked with NBS and helped move all the 
Revealed servers to thier facility.  

Honestly, $60/yr ($5/mo) is not unreasonable for an email account.  I realize 
that there are free google, yahoo, etc, email accounts out there, and if free 
is the real issue there, then okay.  I know NBS is really excited about 
getting the revealed.net business and customers, and are working hard to help 
everyone with all the upheavals that have been experienced recently.

They are not a huge company like google, so can't afford to offer free emails.  
All email accounts, spam protection (which as far as I know is in the works 
again after the postini fiasco...  <- not NBS's fault ... just FYI), etc.. 
costs bandwidth, which costs money..  I can only commend them for keeping the 
cost as low as they have.

I must say they have a great group of people, and a great network/facility.  
Very responsive and fast network, like I always tried to maintain at 
Revealed.  Their networking model closely resembles how I would have done 
it...  (for what that's worth:} )

They are still ramping up thier technical support, billing, and other teams to 
handle the increased customer load they have, so all I'd ask is you give 
these guys a chance.

rk

On Tuesday 20 May 2008 01:26, Mark Riedesel wrote:
> This obviously isn't directly Linux related, but I know a few of us on
> the list had been faithful revealed.net customers in the past years.
> We're all aware of SoloConnect's acquisition and resultant sub-par
> customer service, they were at least courteous enough to provide free
> email forwards for our old revealed.net e-mail addresses.
>
> Well, it seems as though SoloConnect has sold the revealed.net domain
> name to Network Business Systems ( nbson.com ) located in Geneseo, IL
> who are now offering @revealed.net addresses for $60/year which seems
> rather exorbitant considering all the excellent free email providers
> available nowadays. The real kicker is that they've also chosen to
> charge the same fee for e-mail forwarding which is unfortunate for
> those of us who have had revealed.net addresses since the early
> 1990's.
>
> So my question for the old revealed.net address holders, what are you
> guys planning to do? The other question being for anyone else that's
> had a situation where an ISP sells off a domain name to a
> exponentially less courteous company? Obviously if you own a domain,
> you get to choose what you do with it, it's just unfortunate in
> situations such as this one.
>
> Mark
>
> *grumble grumble*
> _______________________________________________
> QCLUG mailing list
> QCLUG@qclug.org
> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug

From mriedesel@gmail.com  Sun May 25 00:07:05 2008
From: mriedesel@gmail.com (Mark Riedesel)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 18:07:05 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] Revealed.net domain sold *again* ?
In-Reply-To: <200805241730.14218.roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com>
References: <1c9537490805192326p5468b676k75626c88de7333d4@mail.gmail.com>
	 <200805241730.14218.roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com>
Message-ID: <1c9537490805241607o7800ead9kd48e45d62844943a@mail.gmail.com>

I would be a little more understanding if they weren't using google
apps for their email service. If they were running their own mail
servers, sure, I can understand charging $5/mo for an email account
for bandwidth and storage, but $5/mo a barely used forward that's
handled off-site?

It's not so much the measly $5/mo that irks me, it just annoys me when
people would rather spend more time to make excuses than it would be
to solve the problem.



On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Roadkill the Avatar of Misfortune
<roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com> wrote:
> Yeah, due to some issues I can't really speak about, the remaining Revealed
> hosting was moved over to NBS.  I worked with NBS and helped move all the
> Revealed servers to thier facility.
>
> Honestly, $60/yr ($5/mo) is not unreasonable for an email account.  I realize
> that there are free google, yahoo, etc, email accounts out there, and if free
> is the real issue there, then okay.  I know NBS is really excited about
> getting the revealed.net business and customers, and are working hard to help
> everyone with all the upheavals that have been experienced recently.
>
> They are not a huge company like google, so can't afford to offer free emails.
> All email accounts, spam protection (which as far as I know is in the works
> again after the postini fiasco...  <- not NBS's fault ... just FYI), etc..
> costs bandwidth, which costs money..  I can only commend them for keeping the
> cost as low as they have.
>
> I must say they have a great group of people, and a great network/facility.
> Very responsive and fast network, like I always tried to maintain at
> Revealed.  Their networking model closely resembles how I would have done
> it...  (for what that's worth:} )
>
> They are still ramping up thier technical support, billing, and other teams to
> handle the increased customer load they have, so all I'd ask is you give
> these guys a chance.
>
> rk
>
> On Tuesday 20 May 2008 01:26, Mark Riedesel wrote:
>> This obviously isn't directly Linux related, but I know a few of us on
>> the list had been faithful revealed.net customers in the past years.
>> We're all aware of SoloConnect's acquisition and resultant sub-par
>> customer service, they were at least courteous enough to provide free
>> email forwards for our old revealed.net e-mail addresses.
>>
>> Well, it seems as though SoloConnect has sold the revealed.net domain
>> name to Network Business Systems ( nbson.com ) located in Geneseo, IL
>> who are now offering @revealed.net addresses for $60/year which seems
>> rather exorbitant considering all the excellent free email providers
>> available nowadays. The real kicker is that they've also chosen to
>> charge the same fee for e-mail forwarding which is unfortunate for
>> those of us who have had revealed.net addresses since the early
>> 1990's.
>>
>> So my question for the old revealed.net address holders, what are you
>> guys planning to do? The other question being for anyone else that's
>> had a situation where an ISP sells off a domain name to a
>> exponentially less courteous company? Obviously if you own a domain,
>> you get to choose what you do with it, it's just unfortunate in
>> situations such as this one.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> *grumble grumble*
>> _______________________________________________
>> QCLUG mailing list
>> QCLUG@qclug.org
>> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug
>
> _______________________________________________
> QCLUG mailing list
> QCLUG@qclug.org
> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug
>
From roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com  Sun May 25 00:39:05 2008
From: roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com (Roadkill the Avatar of Misfortune)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 18:39:05 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] Revealed.net domain sold *again* ?
In-Reply-To: <1c9537490805241607o7800ead9kd48e45d62844943a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1c9537490805192326p5468b676k75626c88de7333d4@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805241730.14218.roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com>
	<1c9537490805241607o7800ead9kd48e45d62844943a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200805241839.06264.roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com>

Well, checking the nslookup and whois information, I see the revealed.net 
email still goes to the same revealed.net server that I configured so long 
ago, and is running in thier facility.   So I'm not sure about the google 
apps part of this.  Are you sure that isn't what they are using just to 
provide a webmail interface instead?  (I only use mine via a mail client, so 
I haven't kept up if they changed the webmail interface.)

---
# nslookup -type=mx revealed.net
Server:         127.0.0.1
Address:        127.0.0.1#53

Non-authoritative answer:
revealed.net    mail exchanger = 10 mail.revealed.net.

Authoritative answers can be found from:
revealed.net    nameserver = asw.revealed.net.
revealed.net    nameserver = ns.revealed.net.
mail.revealed.net       internet address = 12.179.7.245
ns.revealed.net internet address = 12.163.40.50
asw.revealed.net        internet address = 12.163.40.51

# nslookup 12.179.7.245
Server:         127.0.0.1
Address:        127.0.0.1#53

Non-authoritative answer:
245.7.179.12.in-addr.arpa       name = foghorn.revealed.net.

Authoritative answers can be found from:
7.179.12.in-addr.arpa   nameserver = ns.nbson.com.
7.179.12.in-addr.arpa   nameserver = ns2.nbson.com.
ns.nbson.com    internet address = 12.163.40.2
ns2.nbson.com   internet address = 12.163.40.3

# whois 12.179.7.245
AT&T WorldNet Services ATT (NET-12-0-0-0-1) 
                                  12.0.0.0 - 12.255.255.255
KEWANEE COM KEWANEE-10-7 (NET-12-179-7-0-1) 
                                  12.179.7.0 - 12.179.7.255

# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2008-05-23 19:10
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.
---

The email is still flowing through thier network etc.   And technically, a 
forwarder would use twice as much bandwidth as a stock delivery (40k in, then 
40k out... for a 40k message :}  )


Guess I'm confused a bit confused on the part about excuses :}  I'm not sure 
of your experience thus far with NBS, so I can't comment on that :}

rk


On Saturday 24 May 2008 18:07, Mark Riedesel wrote:
> I would be a little more understanding if they weren't using google
> apps for their email service. If they were running their own mail
> servers, sure, I can understand charging $5/mo for an email account
> for bandwidth and storage, but $5/mo a barely used forward that's
> handled off-site?
>
> It's not so much the measly $5/mo that irks me, it just annoys me when
> people would rather spend more time to make excuses than it would be
> to solve the problem.
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Roadkill the Avatar of Misfortune
>
> <roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com> wrote:
> > Yeah, due to some issues I can't really speak about, the remaining
> > Revealed hosting was moved over to NBS.  I worked with NBS and helped
> > move all the Revealed servers to thier facility.
> >
> > Honestly, $60/yr ($5/mo) is not unreasonable for an email account.  I
> > realize that there are free google, yahoo, etc, email accounts out there,
> > and if free is the real issue there, then okay.  I know NBS is really
> > excited about getting the revealed.net business and customers, and are
> > working hard to help everyone with all the upheavals that have been
> > experienced recently.
> >
> > They are not a huge company like google, so can't afford to offer free
> > emails. All email accounts, spam protection (which as far as I know is in
> > the works again after the postini fiasco...  <- not NBS's fault ... just
> > FYI), etc.. costs bandwidth, which costs money..  I can only commend them
> > for keeping the cost as low as they have.
> >
> > I must say they have a great group of people, and a great
> > network/facility. Very responsive and fast network, like I always tried
> > to maintain at Revealed.  Their networking model closely resembles how I
> > would have done it...  (for what that's worth:} )
> >
> > They are still ramping up thier technical support, billing, and other
> > teams to handle the increased customer load they have, so all I'd ask is
> > you give these guys a chance.
> >
> > rk
> >
> > On Tuesday 20 May 2008 01:26, Mark Riedesel wrote:
> >> This obviously isn't directly Linux related, but I know a few of us on
> >> the list had been faithful revealed.net customers in the past years.
> >> We're all aware of SoloConnect's acquisition and resultant sub-par
> >> customer service, they were at least courteous enough to provide free
> >> email forwards for our old revealed.net e-mail addresses.
> >>
> >> Well, it seems as though SoloConnect has sold the revealed.net domain
> >> name to Network Business Systems ( nbson.com ) located in Geneseo, IL
> >> who are now offering @revealed.net addresses for $60/year which seems
> >> rather exorbitant considering all the excellent free email providers
> >> available nowadays. The real kicker is that they've also chosen to
> >> charge the same fee for e-mail forwarding which is unfortunate for
> >> those of us who have had revealed.net addresses since the early
> >> 1990's.
> >>
> >> So my question for the old revealed.net address holders, what are you
> >> guys planning to do? The other question being for anyone else that's
> >> had a situation where an ISP sells off a domain name to a
> >> exponentially less courteous company? Obviously if you own a domain,
> >> you get to choose what you do with it, it's just unfortunate in
> >> situations such as this one.
> >>
> >> Mark
> >>
> >> *grumble grumble*
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> QCLUG mailing list
> >> QCLUG@qclug.org
> >> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > QCLUG mailing list
> > QCLUG@qclug.org
> > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug
>
> _______________________________________________
> QCLUG mailing list
> QCLUG@qclug.org
> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug

From belthesar@belthesar.com  Sun May 25 00:42:57 2008
From: belthesar@belthesar.com (Cody Wilson)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 18:42:57 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] Revealed.net domain sold *again* ?
In-Reply-To: <200805241839.06264.roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com>
References: <1c9537490805192326p5468b676k75626c88de7333d4@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805241730.14218.roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com>
	<1c9537490805241607o7800ead9kd48e45d62844943a@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805241839.06264.roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com>
Message-ID: <4838A801.80902@belthesar.com>

That information came from me, in which if NBS hasn't switched all users 
over to it yet, they will be.  They've already converted most, if not 
all customers with domain e-mail accounts over.  I believe the only 
thing procluding them from doing so right now is that they aren't sure 
how to pull the subscriber list from the database on the server, as 
they've been converting people over one by one by referencing the e-mail 
credentials from the tool.

I may be mistaken, I speak only from the conversation I had with their 
admin a while ago, and such info might have changed.

-Cody Wilson
belthesar@belthesar.com

Roadkill the Avatar of Misfortune wrote:
> Well, checking the nslookup and whois information, I see the revealed.net 
> email still goes to the same revealed.net server that I configured so long 
> ago, and is running in thier facility.   So I'm not sure about the google 
> apps part of this.  Are you sure that isn't what they are using just to 
> provide a webmail interface instead?  (I only use mine via a mail client, so 
> I haven't kept up if they changed the webmail interface.)
>
> ---
> # nslookup -type=mx revealed.net
> Server:         127.0.0.1
> Address:        127.0.0.1#53
>
> Non-authoritative answer:
> revealed.net    mail exchanger = 10 mail.revealed.net.
>
> Authoritative answers can be found from:
> revealed.net    nameserver = asw.revealed.net.
> revealed.net    nameserver = ns.revealed.net.
> mail.revealed.net       internet address = 12.179.7.245
> ns.revealed.net internet address = 12.163.40.50
> asw.revealed.net        internet address = 12.163.40.51
>
> # nslookup 12.179.7.245
> Server:         127.0.0.1
> Address:        127.0.0.1#53
>
> Non-authoritative answer:
> 245.7.179.12.in-addr.arpa       name = foghorn.revealed.net.
>
> Authoritative answers can be found from:
> 7.179.12.in-addr.arpa   nameserver = ns.nbson.com.
> 7.179.12.in-addr.arpa   nameserver = ns2.nbson.com.
> ns.nbson.com    internet address = 12.163.40.2
> ns2.nbson.com   internet address = 12.163.40.3
>
> # whois 12.179.7.245
> AT&T WorldNet Services ATT (NET-12-0-0-0-1) 
>                                   12.0.0.0 - 12.255.255.255
> KEWANEE COM KEWANEE-10-7 (NET-12-179-7-0-1) 
>                                   12.179.7.0 - 12.179.7.255
>
> # ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2008-05-23 19:10
> # Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.
> ---
>
> The email is still flowing through thier network etc.   And technically, a 
> forwarder would use twice as much bandwidth as a stock delivery (40k in, then 
> 40k out... for a 40k message :}  )
>
>
> Guess I'm confused a bit confused on the part about excuses :}  I'm not sure 
> of your experience thus far with NBS, so I can't comment on that :}
>
> rk
>
>
> On Saturday 24 May 2008 18:07, Mark Riedesel wrote:
>   
>> I would be a little more understanding if they weren't using google
>> apps for their email service. If they were running their own mail
>> servers, sure, I can understand charging $5/mo for an email account
>> for bandwidth and storage, but $5/mo a barely used forward that's
>> handled off-site?
>>
>> It's not so much the measly $5/mo that irks me, it just annoys me when
>> people would rather spend more time to make excuses than it would be
>> to solve the problem.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Roadkill the Avatar of Misfortune
>>
>> <roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com> wrote:
>>     
>>> Yeah, due to some issues I can't really speak about, the remaining
>>> Revealed hosting was moved over to NBS.  I worked with NBS and helped
>>> move all the Revealed servers to thier facility.
>>>
>>> Honestly, $60/yr ($5/mo) is not unreasonable for an email account.  I
>>> realize that there are free google, yahoo, etc, email accounts out there,
>>> and if free is the real issue there, then okay.  I know NBS is really
>>> excited about getting the revealed.net business and customers, and are
>>> working hard to help everyone with all the upheavals that have been
>>> experienced recently.
>>>
>>> They are not a huge company like google, so can't afford to offer free
>>> emails. All email accounts, spam protection (which as far as I know is in
>>> the works again after the postini fiasco...  <- not NBS's fault ... just
>>> FYI), etc.. costs bandwidth, which costs money..  I can only commend them
>>> for keeping the cost as low as they have.
>>>
>>> I must say they have a great group of people, and a great
>>> network/facility. Very responsive and fast network, like I always tried
>>> to maintain at Revealed.  Their networking model closely resembles how I
>>> would have done it...  (for what that's worth:} )
>>>
>>> They are still ramping up thier technical support, billing, and other
>>> teams to handle the increased customer load they have, so all I'd ask is
>>> you give these guys a chance.
>>>
>>> rk
>>>
>>> On Tuesday 20 May 2008 01:26, Mark Riedesel wrote:
>>>       
>>>> This obviously isn't directly Linux related, but I know a few of us on
>>>> the list had been faithful revealed.net customers in the past years.
>>>> We're all aware of SoloConnect's acquisition and resultant sub-par
>>>> customer service, they were at least courteous enough to provide free
>>>> email forwards for our old revealed.net e-mail addresses.
>>>>
>>>> Well, it seems as though SoloConnect has sold the revealed.net domain
>>>> name to Network Business Systems ( nbson.com ) located in Geneseo, IL
>>>> who are now offering @revealed.net addresses for $60/year which seems
>>>> rather exorbitant considering all the excellent free email providers
>>>> available nowadays. The real kicker is that they've also chosen to
>>>> charge the same fee for e-mail forwarding which is unfortunate for
>>>> those of us who have had revealed.net addresses since the early
>>>> 1990's.
>>>>
>>>> So my question for the old revealed.net address holders, what are you
>>>> guys planning to do? The other question being for anyone else that's
>>>> had a situation where an ISP sells off a domain name to a
>>>> exponentially less courteous company? Obviously if you own a domain,
>>>> you get to choose what you do with it, it's just unfortunate in
>>>> situations such as this one.
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>> *grumble grumble*
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> QCLUG mailing list
>>>> QCLUG@qclug.org
>>>> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug
>>>>         
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> QCLUG mailing list
>>> QCLUG@qclug.org
>>> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> QCLUG mailing list
>> QCLUG@qclug.org
>> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> QCLUG mailing list
> QCLUG@qclug.org
> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug
>   
From mriedesel@gmail.com  Sun May 25 00:45:43 2008
From: mriedesel@gmail.com (Mark Riedesel)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 18:45:43 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] Revealed.net domain sold *again* ?
In-Reply-To: <4838A801.80902@belthesar.com>
References: <1c9537490805192326p5468b676k75626c88de7333d4@mail.gmail.com>
	 <200805241730.14218.roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com>
	 <1c9537490805241607o7800ead9kd48e45d62844943a@mail.gmail.com>
	 <200805241839.06264.roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com>
	 <4838A801.80902@belthesar.com>
Message-ID: <1c9537490805241645xc8fb751x12e3fb423b7f5f75@mail.gmail.com>

http://mail.nbson.net/pipermail/isp-list/2007-September/000010.html
was what tipped me off. That and http://google.com/a/revealed.net says
"NBS" on it.

On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Cody Wilson <belthesar@belthesar.com> wrote:
> That information came from me, in which if NBS hasn't switched all users
> over to it yet, they will be.  They've already converted most, if not all
> customers with domain e-mail accounts over.  I believe the only thing
> procluding them from doing so right now is that they aren't sure how to pull
> the subscriber list from the database on the server, as they've been
> converting people over one by one by referencing the e-mail credentials from
> the tool.
>
> I may be mistaken, I speak only from the conversation I had with their admin
> a while ago, and such info might have changed.
>
> -Cody Wilson
> belthesar@belthesar.com
From roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com  Sun May 25 00:47:44 2008
From: roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com (Roadkill the Avatar of Misfortune)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 18:47:44 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] Revealed.net domain sold *again* ?
In-Reply-To: <4838A801.80902@belthesar.com>
References: <1c9537490805192326p5468b676k75626c88de7333d4@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805241839.06264.roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com>
	<4838A801.80902@belthesar.com>
Message-ID: <200805241847.45246.roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com>

I think I'm aware of what your talking about, and that was for the hosted 
domains, not the revealed.net accounts..  And if I'm not mistaken they are 
not using a "free" part of it, it's google's hosted apps for ISPs, which 
offer a great range of services, but I don't think that's free.....  I knew 
they were looking into that a while back, but didn't know if they decided to 
move forward with it or not.

rk


On Saturday 24 May 2008 18:42, Cody Wilson wrote:
> That information came from me, in which if NBS hasn't switched all users
> over to it yet, they will be.  They've already converted most, if not
> all customers with domain e-mail accounts over.  I believe the only
> thing procluding them from doing so right now is that they aren't sure
> how to pull the subscriber list from the database on the server, as
> they've been converting people over one by one by referencing the e-mail
> credentials from the tool.
>
> I may be mistaken, I speak only from the conversation I had with their
> admin a while ago, and such info might have changed.
>
> -Cody Wilson
> belthesar@belthesar.com
>
> Roadkill the Avatar of Misfortune wrote:
> > Well, checking the nslookup and whois information, I see the revealed.net
> > email still goes to the same revealed.net server that I configured so
> > long ago, and is running in thier facility.   So I'm not sure about the
> > google apps part of this.  Are you sure that isn't what they are using
> > just to provide a webmail interface instead?  (I only use mine via a mail
> > client, so I haven't kept up if they changed the webmail interface.)
> >
> > ---
> > # nslookup -type=mx revealed.net
> > Server:         127.0.0.1
> > Address:        127.0.0.1#53
> >
> > Non-authoritative answer:
> > revealed.net    mail exchanger = 10 mail.revealed.net.
> >
> > Authoritative answers can be found from:
> > revealed.net    nameserver = asw.revealed.net.
> > revealed.net    nameserver = ns.revealed.net.
> > mail.revealed.net       internet address = 12.179.7.245
> > ns.revealed.net internet address = 12.163.40.50
> > asw.revealed.net        internet address = 12.163.40.51
> >
> > # nslookup 12.179.7.245
> > Server:         127.0.0.1
> > Address:        127.0.0.1#53
> >
> > Non-authoritative answer:
> > 245.7.179.12.in-addr.arpa       name = foghorn.revealed.net.
> >
> > Authoritative answers can be found from:
> > 7.179.12.in-addr.arpa   nameserver = ns.nbson.com.
> > 7.179.12.in-addr.arpa   nameserver = ns2.nbson.com.
> > ns.nbson.com    internet address = 12.163.40.2
> > ns2.nbson.com   internet address = 12.163.40.3
> >
> > # whois 12.179.7.245
> > AT&T WorldNet Services ATT (NET-12-0-0-0-1)
> >                                   12.0.0.0 - 12.255.255.255
> > KEWANEE COM KEWANEE-10-7 (NET-12-179-7-0-1)
> >                                   12.179.7.0 - 12.179.7.255
> >
> > # ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2008-05-23 19:10
> > # Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.
> > ---
> >
> > The email is still flowing through thier network etc.   And technically,
> > a forwarder would use twice as much bandwidth as a stock delivery (40k
> > in, then 40k out... for a 40k message :}  )
> >
> >
> > Guess I'm confused a bit confused on the part about excuses :}  I'm not
> > sure of your experience thus far with NBS, so I can't comment on that :}
> >
> > rk
> >
> > On Saturday 24 May 2008 18:07, Mark Riedesel wrote:
> >> I would be a little more understanding if they weren't using google
> >> apps for their email service. If they were running their own mail
> >> servers, sure, I can understand charging $5/mo for an email account
> >> for bandwidth and storage, but $5/mo a barely used forward that's
> >> handled off-site?
> >>
> >> It's not so much the measly $5/mo that irks me, it just annoys me when
> >> people would rather spend more time to make excuses than it would be
> >> to solve the problem.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Roadkill the Avatar of Misfortune
> >>
> >> <roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com> wrote:
> >>> Yeah, due to some issues I can't really speak about, the remaining
> >>> Revealed hosting was moved over to NBS.  I worked with NBS and helped
> >>> move all the Revealed servers to thier facility.
> >>>
> >>> Honestly, $60/yr ($5/mo) is not unreasonable for an email account.  I
> >>> realize that there are free google, yahoo, etc, email accounts out
> >>> there, and if free is the real issue there, then okay.  I know NBS is
> >>> really excited about getting the revealed.net business and customers,
> >>> and are working hard to help everyone with all the upheavals that have
> >>> been experienced recently.
> >>>
> >>> They are not a huge company like google, so can't afford to offer free
> >>> emails. All email accounts, spam protection (which as far as I know is
> >>> in the works again after the postini fiasco...  <- not NBS's fault ...
> >>> just FYI), etc.. costs bandwidth, which costs money..  I can only
> >>> commend them for keeping the cost as low as they have.
> >>>
> >>> I must say they have a great group of people, and a great
> >>> network/facility. Very responsive and fast network, like I always tried
> >>> to maintain at Revealed.  Their networking model closely resembles how
> >>> I would have done it...  (for what that's worth:} )
> >>>
> >>> They are still ramping up thier technical support, billing, and other
> >>> teams to handle the increased customer load they have, so all I'd ask
> >>> is you give these guys a chance.
> >>>
> >>> rk
> >>>
> >>> On Tuesday 20 May 2008 01:26, Mark Riedesel wrote:
> >>>> This obviously isn't directly Linux related, but I know a few of us on
> >>>> the list had been faithful revealed.net customers in the past years.
> >>>> We're all aware of SoloConnect's acquisition and resultant sub-par
> >>>> customer service, they were at least courteous enough to provide free
> >>>> email forwards for our old revealed.net e-mail addresses.
> >>>>
> >>>> Well, it seems as though SoloConnect has sold the revealed.net domain
> >>>> name to Network Business Systems ( nbson.com ) located in Geneseo, IL
> >>>> who are now offering @revealed.net addresses for $60/year which seems
> >>>> rather exorbitant considering all the excellent free email providers
> >>>> available nowadays. The real kicker is that they've also chosen to
> >>>> charge the same fee for e-mail forwarding which is unfortunate for
> >>>> those of us who have had revealed.net addresses since the early
> >>>> 1990's.
> >>>>
> >>>> So my question for the old revealed.net address holders, what are you
> >>>> guys planning to do? The other question being for anyone else that's
> >>>> had a situation where an ISP sells off a domain name to a
> >>>> exponentially less courteous company? Obviously if you own a domain,
> >>>> you get to choose what you do with it, it's just unfortunate in
> >>>> situations such as this one.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mark
> >>>>
> >>>> *grumble grumble*
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> QCLUG mailing list
> >>>> QCLUG@qclug.org
> >>>> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> QCLUG mailing list
> >>> QCLUG@qclug.org
> >>> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> QCLUG mailing list
> >> QCLUG@qclug.org
> >> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > QCLUG mailing list
> > QCLUG@qclug.org
> > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug
>
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> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug

From belthesar@belthesar.com  Sun May 25 00:50:25 2008
From: belthesar@belthesar.com (Cody Wilson)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 18:50:25 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] Revealed.net domain sold *again* ?
In-Reply-To: <200805241847.45246.roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com>
References: <1c9537490805192326p5468b676k75626c88de7333d4@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805241839.06264.roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com>
	<4838A801.80902@belthesar.com>
	<200805241847.45246.roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com>
Message-ID: <4838A9C1.40104@belthesar.com>

RK -

They are using the Standard version of the service, which is free.  I'm 
not sure if they have decided to go through with said transfer for the 
Revealed.net domains, but I am certain that they are not using the 
enterprise version of Google Apps which does have a per-user fee.

-Cody Wilson
belthesar@belthesar.com

Roadkill the Avatar of Misfortune wrote:
> I think I'm aware of what your talking about, and that was for the hosted 
> domains, not the revealed.net accounts..  And if I'm not mistaken they are 
> not using a "free" part of it, it's google's hosted apps for ISPs, which 
> offer a great range of services, but I don't think that's free.....  I knew 
> they were looking into that a while back, but didn't know if they decided to 
> move forward with it or not.
>
> rk
>
>
> On Saturday 24 May 2008 18:42, Cody Wilson wrote:
>   
>> That information came from me, in which if NBS hasn't switched all users
>> over to it yet, they will be.  They've already converted most, if not
>> all customers with domain e-mail accounts over.  I believe the only
>> thing procluding them from doing so right now is that they aren't sure
>> how to pull the subscriber list from the database on the server, as
>> they've been converting people over one by one by referencing the e-mail
>> credentials from the tool.
>>
>> I may be mistaken, I speak only from the conversation I had with their
>> admin a while ago, and such info might have changed.
>>
>> -Cody Wilson
>> belthesar@belthesar.com
>>
>> Roadkill the Avatar of Misfortune wrote:
>>     
>>> Well, checking the nslookup and whois information, I see the revealed.net
>>> email still goes to the same revealed.net server that I configured so
>>> long ago, and is running in thier facility.   So I'm not sure about the
>>> google apps part of this.  Are you sure that isn't what they are using
>>> just to provide a webmail interface instead?  (I only use mine via a mail
>>> client, so I haven't kept up if they changed the webmail interface.)
>>>
>>> ---
>>> # nslookup -type=mx revealed.net
>>> Server:         127.0.0.1
>>> Address:        127.0.0.1#53
>>>
>>> Non-authoritative answer:
>>> revealed.net    mail exchanger = 10 mail.revealed.net.
>>>
>>> Authoritative answers can be found from:
>>> revealed.net    nameserver = asw.revealed.net.
>>> revealed.net    nameserver = ns.revealed.net.
>>> mail.revealed.net       internet address = 12.179.7.245
>>> ns.revealed.net internet address = 12.163.40.50
>>> asw.revealed.net        internet address = 12.163.40.51
>>>
>>> # nslookup 12.179.7.245
>>> Server:         127.0.0.1
>>> Address:        127.0.0.1#53
>>>
>>> Non-authoritative answer:
>>> 245.7.179.12.in-addr.arpa       name = foghorn.revealed.net.
>>>
>>> Authoritative answers can be found from:
>>> 7.179.12.in-addr.arpa   nameserver = ns.nbson.com.
>>> 7.179.12.in-addr.arpa   nameserver = ns2.nbson.com.
>>> ns.nbson.com    internet address = 12.163.40.2
>>> ns2.nbson.com   internet address = 12.163.40.3
>>>
>>> # whois 12.179.7.245
>>> AT&T WorldNet Services ATT (NET-12-0-0-0-1)
>>>                                   12.0.0.0 - 12.255.255.255
>>> KEWANEE COM KEWANEE-10-7 (NET-12-179-7-0-1)
>>>                                   12.179.7.0 - 12.179.7.255
>>>
>>> # ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2008-05-23 19:10
>>> # Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.
>>> ---
>>>
>>> The email is still flowing through thier network etc.   And technically,
>>> a forwarder would use twice as much bandwidth as a stock delivery (40k
>>> in, then 40k out... for a 40k message :}  )
>>>
>>>
>>> Guess I'm confused a bit confused on the part about excuses :}  I'm not
>>> sure of your experience thus far with NBS, so I can't comment on that :}
>>>
>>> rk
>>>
>>> On Saturday 24 May 2008 18:07, Mark Riedesel wrote:
>>>       
>>>> I would be a little more understanding if they weren't using google
>>>> apps for their email service. If they were running their own mail
>>>> servers, sure, I can understand charging $5/mo for an email account
>>>> for bandwidth and storage, but $5/mo a barely used forward that's
>>>> handled off-site?
>>>>
>>>> It's not so much the measly $5/mo that irks me, it just annoys me when
>>>> people would rather spend more time to make excuses than it would be
>>>> to solve the problem.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Roadkill the Avatar of Misfortune
>>>>
>>>> <roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com> wrote:
>>>>         
>>>>> Yeah, due to some issues I can't really speak about, the remaining
>>>>> Revealed hosting was moved over to NBS.  I worked with NBS and helped
>>>>> move all the Revealed servers to thier facility.
>>>>>
>>>>> Honestly, $60/yr ($5/mo) is not unreasonable for an email account.  I
>>>>> realize that there are free google, yahoo, etc, email accounts out
>>>>> there, and if free is the real issue there, then okay.  I know NBS is
>>>>> really excited about getting the revealed.net business and customers,
>>>>> and are working hard to help everyone with all the upheavals that have
>>>>> been experienced recently.
>>>>>
>>>>> They are not a huge company like google, so can't afford to offer free
>>>>> emails. All email accounts, spam protection (which as far as I know is
>>>>> in the works again after the postini fiasco...  <- not NBS's fault ...
>>>>> just FYI), etc.. costs bandwidth, which costs money..  I can only
>>>>> commend them for keeping the cost as low as they have.
>>>>>
>>>>> I must say they have a great group of people, and a great
>>>>> network/facility. Very responsive and fast network, like I always tried
>>>>> to maintain at Revealed.  Their networking model closely resembles how
>>>>> I would have done it...  (for what that's worth:} )
>>>>>
>>>>> They are still ramping up thier technical support, billing, and other
>>>>> teams to handle the increased customer load they have, so all I'd ask
>>>>> is you give these guys a chance.
>>>>>
>>>>> rk
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday 20 May 2008 01:26, Mark Riedesel wrote:
>>>>>           
>>>>>> This obviously isn't directly Linux related, but I know a few of us on
>>>>>> the list had been faithful revealed.net customers in the past years.
>>>>>> We're all aware of SoloConnect's acquisition and resultant sub-par
>>>>>> customer service, they were at least courteous enough to provide free
>>>>>> email forwards for our old revealed.net e-mail addresses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, it seems as though SoloConnect has sold the revealed.net domain
>>>>>> name to Network Business Systems ( nbson.com ) located in Geneseo, IL
>>>>>> who are now offering @revealed.net addresses for $60/year which seems
>>>>>> rather exorbitant considering all the excellent free email providers
>>>>>> available nowadays. The real kicker is that they've also chosen to
>>>>>> charge the same fee for e-mail forwarding which is unfortunate for
>>>>>> those of us who have had revealed.net addresses since the early
>>>>>> 1990's.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So my question for the old revealed.net address holders, what are you
>>>>>> guys planning to do? The other question being for anyone else that's
>>>>>> had a situation where an ISP sells off a domain name to a
>>>>>> exponentially less courteous company? Obviously if you own a domain,
>>>>>> you get to choose what you do with it, it's just unfortunate in
>>>>>> situations such as this one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *grumble grumble*
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> QCLUG mailing list
>>>>>> QCLUG@qclug.org
>>>>>> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug
>>>>>>             
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> QCLUG mailing list
>>>>> QCLUG@qclug.org
>>>>> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug
>>>>>           
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> QCLUG mailing list
>>>> QCLUG@qclug.org
>>>> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug
>>>>         
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> QCLUG mailing list
>>> QCLUG@qclug.org
>>> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> QCLUG mailing list
>> QCLUG@qclug.org
>> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug
>   
From roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com  Sun May 25 01:00:33 2008
From: roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com (Roadkill the Avatar of Misfortune)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 19:00:33 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] Revealed.net domain sold *again* ?
In-Reply-To: <1c9537490805241645xc8fb751x12e3fb423b7f5f75@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1c9537490805192326p5468b676k75626c88de7333d4@mail.gmail.com>
	<4838A801.80902@belthesar.com>
	<1c9537490805241645xc8fb751x12e3fb423b7f5f75@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200805241900.33522.roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com>

Interesting, but that states for the kewanee.com domain, saying that that mail 
server was failing.  The time frame of this posting is at least a couple of 
months prior to the move of the IR servers..  

They very well may be planning on moving all the subscribers from the 
revealed.net domain onto the hosting account on the google pages.. I can't 
speak to that... I just don't know.. but currently the mail is flowing on 
thier network to the IR mailserver.

rk

On Saturday 24 May 2008 18:45, Mark Riedesel wrote:
> http://mail.nbson.net/pipermail/isp-list/2007-September/000010.html
> was what tipped me off. That and http://google.com/a/revealed.net says
> "NBS" on it.
>
> On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Cody Wilson <belthesar@belthesar.com> 
wrote:
> > That information came from me, in which if NBS hasn't switched all users
> > over to it yet, they will be.  They've already converted most, if not all
> > customers with domain e-mail accounts over.  I believe the only thing
> > procluding them from doing so right now is that they aren't sure how to
> > pull the subscriber list from the database on the server, as they've been
> > converting people over one by one by referencing the e-mail credentials
> > from the tool.
> >
> > I may be mistaken, I speak only from the conversation I had with their
> > admin a while ago, and such info might have changed.
> >
> > -Cody Wilson
> > belthesar@belthesar.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> QCLUG mailing list
> QCLUG@qclug.org
> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug

From roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com  Sun May 25 01:04:58 2008
From: roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com (Roadkill the Avatar of Misfortune)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 19:04:58 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] Revealed.net domain sold *again* ?
In-Reply-To: <4838A9C1.40104@belthesar.com>
References: <1c9537490805192326p5468b676k75626c88de7333d4@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805241847.45246.roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com>
	<4838A9C1.40104@belthesar.com>
Message-ID: <200805241904.58752.roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com>

Okay... s'pose that's what they are using then..  I don't know thier pricing 
on domain hosting or anything, or how that all works out..  

I was only speaking about the current operation of the revealed.net domain, 
not the other domains that was hosted by Revealed:}

rk


On Saturday 24 May 2008 18:50, Cody Wilson wrote:
> RK -
>
> They are using the Standard version of the service, which is free.  I'm
> not sure if they have decided to go through with said transfer for the
> Revealed.net domains, but I am certain that they are not using the
> enterprise version of Google Apps which does have a per-user fee.
>
> -Cody Wilson
> belthesar@belthesar.com
>
> Roadkill the Avatar of Misfortune wrote:
> > I think I'm aware of what your talking about, and that was for the hosted
> > domains, not the revealed.net accounts..  And if I'm not mistaken they
> > are not using a "free" part of it, it's google's hosted apps for ISPs,
> > which offer a great range of services, but I don't think that's free.....
> >  I knew they were looking into that a while back, but didn't know if they
> > decided to move forward with it or not.
> >
> > rk
> >
> > On Saturday 24 May 2008 18:42, Cody Wilson wrote:
> >> That information came from me, in which if NBS hasn't switched all users
> >> over to it yet, they will be.  They've already converted most, if not
> >> all customers with domain e-mail accounts over.  I believe the only
> >> thing procluding them from doing so right now is that they aren't sure
> >> how to pull the subscriber list from the database on the server, as
> >> they've been converting people over one by one by referencing the e-mail
> >> credentials from the tool.
> >>
> >> I may be mistaken, I speak only from the conversation I had with their
> >> admin a while ago, and such info might have changed.
> >>
> >> -Cody Wilson
> >> belthesar@belthesar.com
> >>
> >> Roadkill the Avatar of Misfortune wrote:
> >>> Well, checking the nslookup and whois information, I see the
> >>> revealed.net email still goes to the same revealed.net server that I
> >>> configured so long ago, and is running in thier facility.   So I'm not
> >>> sure about the google apps part of this.  Are you sure that isn't what
> >>> they are using just to provide a webmail interface instead?  (I only
> >>> use mine via a mail client, so I haven't kept up if they changed the
> >>> webmail interface.)
> >>>
> >>> ---
> >>> # nslookup -type=mx revealed.net
> >>> Server:         127.0.0.1
> >>> Address:        127.0.0.1#53
> >>>
> >>> Non-authoritative answer:
> >>> revealed.net    mail exchanger = 10 mail.revealed.net.
> >>>
> >>> Authoritative answers can be found from:
> >>> revealed.net    nameserver = asw.revealed.net.
> >>> revealed.net    nameserver = ns.revealed.net.
> >>> mail.revealed.net       internet address = 12.179.7.245
> >>> ns.revealed.net internet address = 12.163.40.50
> >>> asw.revealed.net        internet address = 12.163.40.51
> >>>
> >>> # nslookup 12.179.7.245
> >>> Server:         127.0.0.1
> >>> Address:        127.0.0.1#53
> >>>
> >>> Non-authoritative answer:
> >>> 245.7.179.12.in-addr.arpa       name = foghorn.revealed.net.
> >>>
> >>> Authoritative answers can be found from:
> >>> 7.179.12.in-addr.arpa   nameserver = ns.nbson.com.
> >>> 7.179.12.in-addr.arpa   nameserver = ns2.nbson.com.
> >>> ns.nbson.com    internet address = 12.163.40.2
> >>> ns2.nbson.com   internet address = 12.163.40.3
> >>>
> >>> # whois 12.179.7.245
> >>> AT&T WorldNet Services ATT (NET-12-0-0-0-1)
> >>>                                   12.0.0.0 - 12.255.255.255
> >>> KEWANEE COM KEWANEE-10-7 (NET-12-179-7-0-1)
> >>>                                   12.179.7.0 - 12.179.7.255
> >>>
> >>> # ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2008-05-23 19:10
> >>> # Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.
> >>> ---
> >>>
> >>> The email is still flowing through thier network etc.   And
> >>> technically, a forwarder would use twice as much bandwidth as a stock
> >>> delivery (40k in, then 40k out... for a 40k message :}  )
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Guess I'm confused a bit confused on the part about excuses :}  I'm not
> >>> sure of your experience thus far with NBS, so I can't comment on that
> >>> :}
> >>>
> >>> rk
> >>>
> >>> On Saturday 24 May 2008 18:07, Mark Riedesel wrote:
> >>>> I would be a little more understanding if they weren't using google
> >>>> apps for their email service. If they were running their own mail
> >>>> servers, sure, I can understand charging $5/mo for an email account
> >>>> for bandwidth and storage, but $5/mo a barely used forward that's
> >>>> handled off-site?
> >>>>
> >>>> It's not so much the measly $5/mo that irks me, it just annoys me when
> >>>> people would rather spend more time to make excuses than it would be
> >>>> to solve the problem.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Roadkill the Avatar of Misfortune
> >>>>
> >>>> <roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Yeah, due to some issues I can't really speak about, the remaining
> >>>>> Revealed hosting was moved over to NBS.  I worked with NBS and helped
> >>>>> move all the Revealed servers to thier facility.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Honestly, $60/yr ($5/mo) is not unreasonable for an email account.  I
> >>>>> realize that there are free google, yahoo, etc, email accounts out
> >>>>> there, and if free is the real issue there, then okay.  I know NBS is
> >>>>> really excited about getting the revealed.net business and customers,
> >>>>> and are working hard to help everyone with all the upheavals that
> >>>>> have been experienced recently.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> They are not a huge company like google, so can't afford to offer
> >>>>> free emails. All email accounts, spam protection (which as far as I
> >>>>> know is in the works again after the postini fiasco...  <- not NBS's
> >>>>> fault ... just FYI), etc.. costs bandwidth, which costs money..  I
> >>>>> can only commend them for keeping the cost as low as they have.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I must say they have a great group of people, and a great
> >>>>> network/facility. Very responsive and fast network, like I always
> >>>>> tried to maintain at Revealed.  Their networking model closely
> >>>>> resembles how I would have done it...  (for what that's worth:} )
> >>>>>
> >>>>> They are still ramping up thier technical support, billing, and other
> >>>>> teams to handle the increased customer load they have, so all I'd ask
> >>>>> is you give these guys a chance.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> rk
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tuesday 20 May 2008 01:26, Mark Riedesel wrote:
> >>>>>> This obviously isn't directly Linux related, but I know a few of us
> >>>>>> on the list had been faithful revealed.net customers in the past
> >>>>>> years. We're all aware of SoloConnect's acquisition and resultant
> >>>>>> sub-par customer service, they were at least courteous enough to
> >>>>>> provide free email forwards for our old revealed.net e-mail
> >>>>>> addresses.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Well, it seems as though SoloConnect has sold the revealed.net
> >>>>>> domain name to Network Business Systems ( nbson.com ) located in
> >>>>>> Geneseo, IL who are now offering @revealed.net addresses for
> >>>>>> $60/year which seems rather exorbitant considering all the excellent
> >>>>>> free email providers available nowadays. The real kicker is that
> >>>>>> they've also chosen to charge the same fee for e-mail forwarding
> >>>>>> which is unfortunate for those of us who have had revealed.net
> >>>>>> addresses since the early 1990's.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So my question for the old revealed.net address holders, what are
> >>>>>> you guys planning to do? The other question being for anyone else
> >>>>>> that's had a situation where an ISP sells off a domain name to a
> >>>>>> exponentially less courteous company? Obviously if you own a domain,
> >>>>>> you get to choose what you do with it, it's just unfortunate in
> >>>>>> situations such as this one.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Mark
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> *grumble grumble*
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From agamotto@sbcglobal.net  Mon May 26 16:43:25 2008
From: agamotto@sbcglobal.net (agamotto)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 10:43:25 -0500
Subject: [QCLUG] Re: Internet Revealed
Message-ID: <483ADA9D.10205@sbcglobal.net>

	Yes, Jim, unfortunately most good businesses don't do well after their 
creator/founder leave.  It is very hard in our country to find people who 
will do things for the dream/cause instead of a large payout, no matter 
who gets hurt in the results.

Randy