[QCLUG] Revealed.net domain sold *again* ?
Cody Wilson
belthesar@belthesar.com
Sat, 24 May 2008 18:50:25 -0500
RK -
They are using the Standard version of the service, which is free. I'm
not sure if they have decided to go through with said transfer for the
Revealed.net domains, but I am certain that they are not using the
enterprise version of Google Apps which does have a per-user fee.
-Cody Wilson
belthesar@belthesar.com
Roadkill the Avatar of Misfortune wrote:
> I think I'm aware of what your talking about, and that was for the hosted
> domains, not the revealed.net accounts.. And if I'm not mistaken they are
> not using a "free" part of it, it's google's hosted apps for ISPs, which
> offer a great range of services, but I don't think that's free..... I knew
> they were looking into that a while back, but didn't know if they decided to
> move forward with it or not.
>
> rk
>
>
> On Saturday 24 May 2008 18:42, Cody Wilson wrote:
>
>> That information came from me, in which if NBS hasn't switched all users
>> over to it yet, they will be. They've already converted most, if not
>> all customers with domain e-mail accounts over. I believe the only
>> thing procluding them from doing so right now is that they aren't sure
>> how to pull the subscriber list from the database on the server, as
>> they've been converting people over one by one by referencing the e-mail
>> credentials from the tool.
>>
>> I may be mistaken, I speak only from the conversation I had with their
>> admin a while ago, and such info might have changed.
>>
>> -Cody Wilson
>> belthesar@belthesar.com
>>
>> Roadkill the Avatar of Misfortune wrote:
>>
>>> Well, checking the nslookup and whois information, I see the revealed.net
>>> email still goes to the same revealed.net server that I configured so
>>> long ago, and is running in thier facility. So I'm not sure about the
>>> google apps part of this. Are you sure that isn't what they are using
>>> just to provide a webmail interface instead? (I only use mine via a mail
>>> client, so I haven't kept up if they changed the webmail interface.)
>>>
>>> ---
>>> # nslookup -type=mx revealed.net
>>> Server: 127.0.0.1
>>> Address: 127.0.0.1#53
>>>
>>> Non-authoritative answer:
>>> revealed.net mail exchanger = 10 mail.revealed.net.
>>>
>>> Authoritative answers can be found from:
>>> revealed.net nameserver = asw.revealed.net.
>>> revealed.net nameserver = ns.revealed.net.
>>> mail.revealed.net internet address = 12.179.7.245
>>> ns.revealed.net internet address = 12.163.40.50
>>> asw.revealed.net internet address = 12.163.40.51
>>>
>>> # nslookup 12.179.7.245
>>> Server: 127.0.0.1
>>> Address: 127.0.0.1#53
>>>
>>> Non-authoritative answer:
>>> 245.7.179.12.in-addr.arpa name = foghorn.revealed.net.
>>>
>>> Authoritative answers can be found from:
>>> 7.179.12.in-addr.arpa nameserver = ns.nbson.com.
>>> 7.179.12.in-addr.arpa nameserver = ns2.nbson.com.
>>> ns.nbson.com internet address = 12.163.40.2
>>> ns2.nbson.com internet address = 12.163.40.3
>>>
>>> # whois 12.179.7.245
>>> AT&T WorldNet Services ATT (NET-12-0-0-0-1)
>>> 12.0.0.0 - 12.255.255.255
>>> KEWANEE COM KEWANEE-10-7 (NET-12-179-7-0-1)
>>> 12.179.7.0 - 12.179.7.255
>>>
>>> # ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2008-05-23 19:10
>>> # Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.
>>> ---
>>>
>>> The email is still flowing through thier network etc. And technically,
>>> a forwarder would use twice as much bandwidth as a stock delivery (40k
>>> in, then 40k out... for a 40k message :} )
>>>
>>>
>>> Guess I'm confused a bit confused on the part about excuses :} I'm not
>>> sure of your experience thus far with NBS, so I can't comment on that :}
>>>
>>> rk
>>>
>>> On Saturday 24 May 2008 18:07, Mark Riedesel wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would be a little more understanding if they weren't using google
>>>> apps for their email service. If they were running their own mail
>>>> servers, sure, I can understand charging $5/mo for an email account
>>>> for bandwidth and storage, but $5/mo a barely used forward that's
>>>> handled off-site?
>>>>
>>>> It's not so much the measly $5/mo that irks me, it just annoys me when
>>>> people would rather spend more time to make excuses than it would be
>>>> to solve the problem.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Roadkill the Avatar of Misfortune
>>>>
>>>> <roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, due to some issues I can't really speak about, the remaining
>>>>> Revealed hosting was moved over to NBS. I worked with NBS and helped
>>>>> move all the Revealed servers to thier facility.
>>>>>
>>>>> Honestly, $60/yr ($5/mo) is not unreasonable for an email account. I
>>>>> realize that there are free google, yahoo, etc, email accounts out
>>>>> there, and if free is the real issue there, then okay. I know NBS is
>>>>> really excited about getting the revealed.net business and customers,
>>>>> and are working hard to help everyone with all the upheavals that have
>>>>> been experienced recently.
>>>>>
>>>>> They are not a huge company like google, so can't afford to offer free
>>>>> emails. All email accounts, spam protection (which as far as I know is
>>>>> in the works again after the postini fiasco... <- not NBS's fault ...
>>>>> just FYI), etc.. costs bandwidth, which costs money.. I can only
>>>>> commend them for keeping the cost as low as they have.
>>>>>
>>>>> I must say they have a great group of people, and a great
>>>>> network/facility. Very responsive and fast network, like I always tried
>>>>> to maintain at Revealed. Their networking model closely resembles how
>>>>> I would have done it... (for what that's worth:} )
>>>>>
>>>>> They are still ramping up thier technical support, billing, and other
>>>>> teams to handle the increased customer load they have, so all I'd ask
>>>>> is you give these guys a chance.
>>>>>
>>>>> rk
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday 20 May 2008 01:26, Mark Riedesel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This obviously isn't directly Linux related, but I know a few of us on
>>>>>> the list had been faithful revealed.net customers in the past years.
>>>>>> We're all aware of SoloConnect's acquisition and resultant sub-par
>>>>>> customer service, they were at least courteous enough to provide free
>>>>>> email forwards for our old revealed.net e-mail addresses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, it seems as though SoloConnect has sold the revealed.net domain
>>>>>> name to Network Business Systems ( nbson.com ) located in Geneseo, IL
>>>>>> who are now offering @revealed.net addresses for $60/year which seems
>>>>>> rather exorbitant considering all the excellent free email providers
>>>>>> available nowadays. The real kicker is that they've also chosen to
>>>>>> charge the same fee for e-mail forwarding which is unfortunate for
>>>>>> those of us who have had revealed.net addresses since the early
>>>>>> 1990's.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So my question for the old revealed.net address holders, what are you
>>>>>> guys planning to do? The other question being for anyone else that's
>>>>>> had a situation where an ISP sells off a domain name to a
>>>>>> exponentially less courteous company? Obviously if you own a domain,
>>>>>> you get to choose what you do with it, it's just unfortunate in
>>>>>> situations such as this one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *grumble grumble*
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