[QCLUG] Revealed.net domain sold *again* ?
Roadkill the Avatar of Misfortune
roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com
Sat, 24 May 2008 19:04:58 -0500
Okay... s'pose that's what they are using then.. I don't know thier pricing
on domain hosting or anything, or how that all works out..
I was only speaking about the current operation of the revealed.net domain,
not the other domains that was hosted by Revealed:}
rk
On Saturday 24 May 2008 18:50, Cody Wilson wrote:
> RK -
>
> They are using the Standard version of the service, which is free. I'm
> not sure if they have decided to go through with said transfer for the
> Revealed.net domains, but I am certain that they are not using the
> enterprise version of Google Apps which does have a per-user fee.
>
> -Cody Wilson
> belthesar@belthesar.com
>
> Roadkill the Avatar of Misfortune wrote:
> > I think I'm aware of what your talking about, and that was for the hosted
> > domains, not the revealed.net accounts.. And if I'm not mistaken they
> > are not using a "free" part of it, it's google's hosted apps for ISPs,
> > which offer a great range of services, but I don't think that's free.....
> > I knew they were looking into that a while back, but didn't know if they
> > decided to move forward with it or not.
> >
> > rk
> >
> > On Saturday 24 May 2008 18:42, Cody Wilson wrote:
> >> That information came from me, in which if NBS hasn't switched all users
> >> over to it yet, they will be. They've already converted most, if not
> >> all customers with domain e-mail accounts over. I believe the only
> >> thing procluding them from doing so right now is that they aren't sure
> >> how to pull the subscriber list from the database on the server, as
> >> they've been converting people over one by one by referencing the e-mail
> >> credentials from the tool.
> >>
> >> I may be mistaken, I speak only from the conversation I had with their
> >> admin a while ago, and such info might have changed.
> >>
> >> -Cody Wilson
> >> belthesar@belthesar.com
> >>
> >> Roadkill the Avatar of Misfortune wrote:
> >>> Well, checking the nslookup and whois information, I see the
> >>> revealed.net email still goes to the same revealed.net server that I
> >>> configured so long ago, and is running in thier facility. So I'm not
> >>> sure about the google apps part of this. Are you sure that isn't what
> >>> they are using just to provide a webmail interface instead? (I only
> >>> use mine via a mail client, so I haven't kept up if they changed the
> >>> webmail interface.)
> >>>
> >>> ---
> >>> # nslookup -type=mx revealed.net
> >>> Server: 127.0.0.1
> >>> Address: 127.0.0.1#53
> >>>
> >>> Non-authoritative answer:
> >>> revealed.net mail exchanger = 10 mail.revealed.net.
> >>>
> >>> Authoritative answers can be found from:
> >>> revealed.net nameserver = asw.revealed.net.
> >>> revealed.net nameserver = ns.revealed.net.
> >>> mail.revealed.net internet address = 12.179.7.245
> >>> ns.revealed.net internet address = 12.163.40.50
> >>> asw.revealed.net internet address = 12.163.40.51
> >>>
> >>> # nslookup 12.179.7.245
> >>> Server: 127.0.0.1
> >>> Address: 127.0.0.1#53
> >>>
> >>> Non-authoritative answer:
> >>> 245.7.179.12.in-addr.arpa name = foghorn.revealed.net.
> >>>
> >>> Authoritative answers can be found from:
> >>> 7.179.12.in-addr.arpa nameserver = ns.nbson.com.
> >>> 7.179.12.in-addr.arpa nameserver = ns2.nbson.com.
> >>> ns.nbson.com internet address = 12.163.40.2
> >>> ns2.nbson.com internet address = 12.163.40.3
> >>>
> >>> # whois 12.179.7.245
> >>> AT&T WorldNet Services ATT (NET-12-0-0-0-1)
> >>> 12.0.0.0 - 12.255.255.255
> >>> KEWANEE COM KEWANEE-10-7 (NET-12-179-7-0-1)
> >>> 12.179.7.0 - 12.179.7.255
> >>>
> >>> # ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2008-05-23 19:10
> >>> # Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.
> >>> ---
> >>>
> >>> The email is still flowing through thier network etc. And
> >>> technically, a forwarder would use twice as much bandwidth as a stock
> >>> delivery (40k in, then 40k out... for a 40k message :} )
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Guess I'm confused a bit confused on the part about excuses :} I'm not
> >>> sure of your experience thus far with NBS, so I can't comment on that
> >>> :}
> >>>
> >>> rk
> >>>
> >>> On Saturday 24 May 2008 18:07, Mark Riedesel wrote:
> >>>> I would be a little more understanding if they weren't using google
> >>>> apps for their email service. If they were running their own mail
> >>>> servers, sure, I can understand charging $5/mo for an email account
> >>>> for bandwidth and storage, but $5/mo a barely used forward that's
> >>>> handled off-site?
> >>>>
> >>>> It's not so much the measly $5/mo that irks me, it just annoys me when
> >>>> people would rather spend more time to make excuses than it would be
> >>>> to solve the problem.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Roadkill the Avatar of Misfortune
> >>>>
> >>>> <roadkill-ml@darktraveler.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Yeah, due to some issues I can't really speak about, the remaining
> >>>>> Revealed hosting was moved over to NBS. I worked with NBS and helped
> >>>>> move all the Revealed servers to thier facility.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Honestly, $60/yr ($5/mo) is not unreasonable for an email account. I
> >>>>> realize that there are free google, yahoo, etc, email accounts out
> >>>>> there, and if free is the real issue there, then okay. I know NBS is
> >>>>> really excited about getting the revealed.net business and customers,
> >>>>> and are working hard to help everyone with all the upheavals that
> >>>>> have been experienced recently.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> They are not a huge company like google, so can't afford to offer
> >>>>> free emails. All email accounts, spam protection (which as far as I
> >>>>> know is in the works again after the postini fiasco... <- not NBS's
> >>>>> fault ... just FYI), etc.. costs bandwidth, which costs money.. I
> >>>>> can only commend them for keeping the cost as low as they have.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I must say they have a great group of people, and a great
> >>>>> network/facility. Very responsive and fast network, like I always
> >>>>> tried to maintain at Revealed. Their networking model closely
> >>>>> resembles how I would have done it... (for what that's worth:} )
> >>>>>
> >>>>> They are still ramping up thier technical support, billing, and other
> >>>>> teams to handle the increased customer load they have, so all I'd ask
> >>>>> is you give these guys a chance.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> rk
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tuesday 20 May 2008 01:26, Mark Riedesel wrote:
> >>>>>> This obviously isn't directly Linux related, but I know a few of us
> >>>>>> on the list had been faithful revealed.net customers in the past
> >>>>>> years. We're all aware of SoloConnect's acquisition and resultant
> >>>>>> sub-par customer service, they were at least courteous enough to
> >>>>>> provide free email forwards for our old revealed.net e-mail
> >>>>>> addresses.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Well, it seems as though SoloConnect has sold the revealed.net
> >>>>>> domain name to Network Business Systems ( nbson.com ) located in
> >>>>>> Geneseo, IL who are now offering @revealed.net addresses for
> >>>>>> $60/year which seems rather exorbitant considering all the excellent
> >>>>>> free email providers available nowadays. The real kicker is that
> >>>>>> they've also chosen to charge the same fee for e-mail forwarding
> >>>>>> which is unfortunate for those of us who have had revealed.net
> >>>>>> addresses since the early 1990's.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So my question for the old revealed.net address holders, what are
> >>>>>> you guys planning to do? The other question being for anyone else
> >>>>>> that's had a situation where an ISP sells off a domain name to a
> >>>>>> exponentially less courteous company? Obviously if you own a domain,
> >>>>>> you get to choose what you do with it, it's just unfortunate in
> >>>>>> situations such as this one.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Mark
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> *grumble grumble*
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