From agamotto@sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 11 17:11:10 2008 From: agamotto@sbcglobal.net (agamotto) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:11:10 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Tonight's meeting Message-ID: <4919BCAE.7060908@sbcglobal.net> Hallo! I thought of something to show off for tonight's meeting... a neat webcast called Category5.tv This guy does the show out of his house in Barrie, Ontario every Tuesday ~1800 our time. I plan on being at Panera's around that time, and I will have the webcast running on my laptop as people arrive, just for kicks. It usually ends at 1900, then it starts going out via Miro and the other RSS venues. I have been watching this for the last few weeks, and he does a very good job of answering questions and showing things off. There is also a live chat that goes along with the show, that Carrie his co-host plucks comments and questions out of to use on the show. See ya From leif.theden@gmail.com Wed Nov 12 09:16:11 2008 From: leif.theden@gmail.com (Leif Theden) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:16:11 +0800 Subject: [QCLUG] Tonight's meeting In-Reply-To: <4919BCAE.7060908@sbcglobal.net> References: <4919BCAE.7060908@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <9a65bf850811120116i60364633i5a50a842c3d5f3a6@mail.gmail.com> sounds great! where can you find this online? On 11/12/08, agamotto wrote: > Hallo! I thought of something to show off for tonight's meeting... a > neat webcast called Category5.tv This guy does the show out of his house in > Barrie, Ontario every Tuesday ~1800 our time. I plan on being at Panera's > around that time, and I will have the webcast running on my laptop as people > arrive, just for kicks. It usually ends at 1900, then it starts going out > via Miro and the other RSS venues. > > I have been watching this for the last few weeks, and he does a very > good job of answering questions and showing things off. There is also a > live chat that goes along with the show, that Carrie his co-host plucks > comments and questions out of to use on the show. > > > See ya > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > From arronlorenz@gmail.com Wed Nov 12 23:52:06 2008 From: arronlorenz@gmail.com (Arron Lorenz) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:52:06 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] My first meeting Message-ID: <30cf66b30811121552o93c0952ja5bf664972e8f39b@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment I'd like to say thanks to everyone at the LUG meeting last night. So thanks= ! My girlfriend, and I very much enjoyed ourselves. It was a fun discussion and I'm sure we will make it to more meetings. Even if I do have to give up the open bar at the Blue Grass Community Club. I was thinking today about what we had talked about in regards to making a list of all packages installed. Well when I got home from work I was looking at DIGG and BAM there was a new article talking about this exactly. The title was something along the lines of "How do you keep all of your programs and still get the benefit of a clean install. The full article is available here: http://hehe2.net/linuxhowto/howto-fresh-ubuntu-install-without-losing-your-= current-settings/ Here is a summary: 1) Make a full list of installed applications 1-1) sudo dpkg =96get-selections > /home/user/package.selections 1-2) If you use custom sources back up /etc/apt/sources.list 1-3) backup your home folder including hidden files 1-4) Backup all files to an external media 2)Restore the installed programs 2-1)Copy the package.selections file back to your home folder 2-2) Restore custom sources 2-3) then run an apt-get update 2-4) then run the following to download and install all the apps sudo dpkg =96set-selections < /home/package.selections && apt-get dselect-upgrade 2-5) restore home folder backup including hidden files 2-6) log out and log back in That should cover it all. Also I had mentioned apt on cd http://aptoncd.sourceforge.net/ is a nice GUI that does this but backs up the actual packages to a cd or dvd or usb. It is very handy for installing linux a computer with slow or no internet. = I like to do a VirtualBox install of the current version install all the apps the new computer will need and then just run apt on cd. Regards, Arron --=20 From: Arron James Lorenz Reel to Reel Drive In http://www.DavenportDriveIn.com 563-579-7046 ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/55892620/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From QCAdmin@gmail.com Wed Nov 12 23:52:51 2008 From: QCAdmin@gmail.com (Chris Cooper) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:52:51 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Ubuntu fresh install without loosing packages Message-ID: During the meeting this week there was some discussion about backing up all your Ubuntu packages so you could do a fresh install without loosing anything. Here is a good set of instructions I found: http://hehe2.net/linuxhowto/howto-fresh-ubuntu-install-without-losing-your-= current-settings/ sudo dpkg =96get-selections > /home/user/package.selections back up your entire home folder (make sure to include all hidden files) If you use a separate home partition, you may want to rename your user folder temporarily to make sure nothing overwrites the configs with defaults packages are *supposed* to acknowledge existing files, but this isn't always the case. Additionally, it would probably be wise to grab a copy of /etc while you are at it. Reinstall Ubuntu Add any additional apt sources (Google repositories, etc) to /etc/apt/sources.list sudo apt-get update sudo dpkg =96set-selections < /backedupdatahere/package.selections && apt-get dselect-upgrade Restore home directory logout and back in Happy 8.10 installing. From agamotto@sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 13 15:49:12 2008 From: agamotto@sbcglobal.net (agamotto) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:49:12 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Tonight's meeting Message-ID: <491C4C78.4050006@sbcglobal.net> Leif, it can be found at Category5.tv, that is the website that hosts it. Neat program, and he actually focuses on Ubuntu/linux most of the time. From agamotto@sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 13 15:55:46 2008 From: agamotto@sbcglobal.net (agamotto) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:55:46 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] My first meeting - Arron Message-ID: <491C4E02.6020604@sbcglobal.net> /quote I'd like to say thanks to everyone at the LUG meeting last night. So thanks= ! My girlfriend, and I very much enjoyed ourselves. /quote You, I will believe. Your girlfriend... nah! Still she must be good stuff if she is willing to put up with geekdom like us. /quote It was a fun discussion and I'm sure we will make it to more meetings. Even if I do have to give up the open bar at the Blue Grass Community Club. I was thinking today about what we had talked about in regards to making a list of all packages installed. /quote Thanks for this info, as I am going to use it when I update my main box to Intrepid. Ta, Randy From agamotto@sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 13 16:00:57 2008 From: agamotto@sbcglobal.net (agamotto) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:00:57 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Searching for new space Message-ID: <491C4F39.9070407@sbcglobal.net> In my calls yesterday to see who might be able to host us in a quieter setting, I have had only one response so far. The DPL @ Fairmont does have a room that is available, but it is already heavily booked. There are groups that meet there already on Tuesdays and Wednesdays. So much for that one, but could be useful at a later time. I have not been able to reach anyone at the MPL, as no one seems to know how to pick up the phone as of yesterday and this morning. I will keep trying. I called the RIPL, and am waiting to hear back from them, as well as the BlackHawk AEC, which is located in East Moline. Randy From hinkle@cipafilter.com Thu Nov 13 16:18:56 2008 From: hinkle@cipafilter.com (David Hinkle) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:18:56 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Searching for new space References: <491C4F39.9070407@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF189470117ED26@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Here at CIPAFilter we have a conference room. We're an open source = company, might be a natural fit to host the lug. I'll be happy to = invite you guys over for your next meeting if you like. We're in East = Moline and the conference room has a 55 inch plasma monitor available = for demos and a whiteboard, about a dozen chairs. Maybe even snacks. David -----Original Message----- From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org on behalf of agamotto Sent: Thu 11/13/2008 10:00 AM To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: [QCLUG] Searching for new space =20 In my calls yesterday to see who might be able to host us in a quieter setting, I have had only one response so far. The DPL @ Fairmont does have a room that is available, but it is already heavily booked. There are groups that meet there already on Tuesdays and Wednesdays. So much for that one, but could be useful at a later = time. I have not been able to reach anyone at the MPL, as no one seems to know how to pick up the phone as of yesterday and this morning. I will keep trying. I called the RIPL, and am waiting to hear back from them, as = well as the BlackHawk AEC, which is located in East Moline. Randy _______________________________________________ QCLUG mailing list QCLUG@qclug.org http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/0086839f/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From hinkle@cipafilter.com Thu Nov 13 16:27:28 2008 From: hinkle@cipafilter.com (David Hinkle) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:27:28 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Searching for new space References: <491C4F39.9070407@sbcglobal.net> <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF189470117ED26@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> Message-ID: <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF189470117ED27@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Oh yea, I guess maybe I should mention some other things. I forget not = everyone knows who we are. =20 We operate the biggest 802.11b wireless network in the country. The = network runs on over 600 linux routers spread out over 10,000 square = miles. We also provide filtering/firewall solutions for schools and = libraries. The conference room has everything you need to talk about tech, that is, = after all, what we use it for. Highspeed wired and wireless internet = access, as I said before the 55 inch flat screen, whiteboard, etc. =20 The room is set up for about a dozen people but we could get another = dozen chairs in there without issue. I'm sure some of our support = personal would show up to say hi. David -----Original Message----- From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org on behalf of David Hinkle Sent: Thu 11/13/2008 10:18 AM To: qclug@qclug.org; qclug@qclug.org Subject: RE: [QCLUG] Searching for new space =20 Here at CIPAFilter we have a conference room. We're an open source = company, might be a natural fit to host the lug. I'll be happy to = invite you guys over for your next meeting if you like. We're in East = Moline and the conference room has a 55 inch plasma monitor available = for demos and a whiteboard, about a dozen chairs. Maybe even snacks. David -----Original Message----- From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org on behalf of agamotto Sent: Thu 11/13/2008 10:00 AM To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: [QCLUG] Searching for new space =20 In my calls yesterday to see who might be able to host us in a quieter setting, I have had only one response so far. The DPL @ Fairmont does have a room that is available, but it is already heavily booked. There are groups that meet there already on Tuesdays and Wednesdays. So much for that one, but could be useful at a later = time. I have not been able to reach anyone at the MPL, as no one seems to know how to pick up the phone as of yesterday and this morning. I will keep trying. I called the RIPL, and am waiting to hear back from them, as = well as the BlackHawk AEC, which is located in East Moline. Randy _______________________________________________ QCLUG mailing list QCLUG@qclug.org http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/0e7f578d/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From jmkris@gmail.com Thu Nov 13 16:31:19 2008 From: jmkris@gmail.com (Jim Kristan) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:31:19 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Searching for new space In-Reply-To: <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF189470117ED26@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> References: <491C4F39.9070407@sbcglobal.net> <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF189470117ED26@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> Message-ID: That sounds ideal ! I think we should at least give it a try in December. If we are allowed to bring snacks, it could be our holiday party. Jim K On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:18 AM, David Hinkle wrote: > Here at CIPAFilter we have a conference room. We're an open source > company, might be a natural fit to host the lug. I'll be happy to invite > you guys over for your next meeting if you like. We're in East Moline and > the conference room has a 55 inch plasma monitor available for demos and a > whiteboard, about a dozen chairs. Maybe even snacks. > > David > > > -----Original Message----- > From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org on behalf of agamotto > Sent: Thu 11/13/2008 10:00 AM > To: qclug@qclug.org > Subject: [QCLUG] Searching for new space > > In my calls yesterday to see who might be able to host us in a > quieter setting, I have had only one response so far. > > The DPL @ Fairmont does have a room that is available, but it is already > heavily booked. There are groups that meet there already on Tuesdays > and Wednesdays. So much for that one, but could be useful at a later time. > > I have not been able to reach anyone at the MPL, as no one seems to know > how to pick up the phone as of yesterday and this morning. I will keep > trying. I called the RIPL, and am waiting to hear back from them, as well > as > the BlackHawk AEC, which is located in East Moline. > > Randy > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > From jmkris@gmail.com Thu Nov 13 16:33:33 2008 From: jmkris@gmail.com (Jim Kristan) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:33:33 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Searching for new space In-Reply-To: <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF189470117ED27@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> References: <491C4F39.9070407@sbcglobal.net> <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF189470117ED26@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF189470117ED27@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> Message-ID: I think it would be worth the trip just for a tour of the place. Jim K On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:27 AM, David Hinkle wrote: > Oh yea, I guess maybe I should mention some other things. I forget not > everyone knows who we are. > > We operate the biggest 802.11b wireless network in the country. The network > runs on over 600 linux routers spread out over 10,000 square miles. We > also provide filtering/firewall solutions for schools and libraries. > > The conference room has everything you need to talk about tech, that is, > after all, what we use it for. Highspeed wired and wireless internet > access, as I said before the 55 inch flat screen, whiteboard, etc. > > The room is set up for about a dozen people but we could get another dozen > chairs in there without issue. I'm sure some of our support personal would > show up to say hi. > > David > > > -----Original Message----- > From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org on behalf of David Hinkle > Sent: Thu 11/13/2008 10:18 AM > To: qclug@qclug.org; qclug@qclug.org > Subject: RE: [QCLUG] Searching for new space > > Here at CIPAFilter we have a conference room. We're an open source > company, might be a natural fit to host the lug. I'll be happy to invite > you guys over for your next meeting if you like. We're in East Moline and > the conference room has a 55 inch plasma monitor available for demos and a > whiteboard, about a dozen chairs. Maybe even snacks. > > David > > > -----Original Message----- > From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org on behalf of agamotto > Sent: Thu 11/13/2008 10:00 AM > To: qclug@qclug.org > Subject: [QCLUG] Searching for new space > > In my calls yesterday to see who might be able to host us in a > quieter setting, I have had only one response so far. > > The DPL @ Fairmont does have a room that is available, but it is already > heavily booked. There are groups that meet there already on Tuesdays > and Wednesdays. So much for that one, but could be useful at a later time. > > I have not been able to reach anyone at the MPL, as no one seems to know > how to pick up the phone as of yesterday and this morning. I will keep > trying. I called the RIPL, and am waiting to hear back from them, as well > as > the BlackHawk AEC, which is located in East Moline. > > Randy > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > > From hinkle@cipafilter.com Thu Nov 13 16:33:52 2008 From: hinkle@cipafilter.com (David Hinkle) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:33:52 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Searching for new space References: <491C4F39.9070407@sbcglobal.net><41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF189470117ED26@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> Message-ID: <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF189470117ED28@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Yea, snacks would be fine. I'll let the CEO know that I'm inviting you = in December and make sure he's ok with that. We'll try it out and see = how everybody feels about the arangement. =20 What's a rough estimate of the number of people you would bring? David -----Original Message----- From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org on behalf of Jim Kristan Sent: Thu 11/13/2008 10:31 AM To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: Re: [QCLUG] Searching for new space =20 That sounds ideal ! I think we should at least give it a try in = December. If we are allowed to bring snacks, it could be our holiday party. Jim K On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:18 AM, David Hinkle = wrote: > Here at CIPAFilter we have a conference room. We're an open source > company, might be a natural fit to host the lug. I'll be happy to = invite > you guys over for your next meeting if you like. We're in East = Moline and > the conference room has a 55 inch plasma monitor available for demos = and a > whiteboard, about a dozen chairs. Maybe even snacks. > > David > > > -----Original Message----- > From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org on behalf of agamotto > Sent: Thu 11/13/2008 10:00 AM > To: qclug@qclug.org > Subject: [QCLUG] Searching for new space > > In my calls yesterday to see who might be able to host us in = a > quieter setting, I have had only one response so far. > > The DPL @ Fairmont does have a room that is available, but it is = already > heavily booked. There are groups that meet there already on Tuesdays > and Wednesdays. So much for that one, but could be useful at a later = time. > > I have not been able to reach anyone at the MPL, as no one seems to = know > how to pick up the phone as of yesterday and this morning. I will = keep > trying. I called the RIPL, and am waiting to hear back from them, as = well > as > the BlackHawk AEC, which is located in East Moline. > > Randy > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > _______________________________________________ QCLUG mailing list QCLUG@qclug.org http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/060dfe74/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From hinkle@cipafilter.com Thu Nov 13 16:44:03 2008 From: hinkle@cipafilter.com (David Hinkle) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:44:03 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Searching for new space References: <491C4F39.9070407@sbcglobal.net><41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF189470117ED26@cipapdc.cipafilter.com><41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF189470117ED27@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> Message-ID: <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF189470117ED2B@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment I've sent an email off to the boss, he's on his yacht on the east coast, = so it might be a couple days before he checks his email. After we get = his OK, I'll let you know and you can consider it confirmed. David -----Original Message----- From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org on behalf of Jim Kristan Sent: Thu 11/13/2008 10:33 AM To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: Re: [QCLUG] Searching for new space =20 I think it would be worth the trip just for a tour of the place. Jim K On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:27 AM, David Hinkle = wrote: > Oh yea, I guess maybe I should mention some other things. I forget = not > everyone knows who we are. > > We operate the biggest 802.11b wireless network in the country. The = network > runs on over 600 linux routers spread out over 10,000 square miles. = We > also provide filtering/firewall solutions for schools and libraries. > > The conference room has everything you need to talk about tech, that = is, > after all, what we use it for. Highspeed wired and wireless internet > access, as I said before the 55 inch flat screen, whiteboard, etc. > > The room is set up for about a dozen people but we could get another = dozen > chairs in there without issue. I'm sure some of our support personal = would > show up to say hi. > > David > > > -----Original Message----- > From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org on behalf of David Hinkle > Sent: Thu 11/13/2008 10:18 AM > To: qclug@qclug.org; qclug@qclug.org > Subject: RE: [QCLUG] Searching for new space > > Here at CIPAFilter we have a conference room. We're an open source > company, might be a natural fit to host the lug. I'll be happy to = invite > you guys over for your next meeting if you like. We're in East = Moline and > the conference room has a 55 inch plasma monitor available for demos = and a > whiteboard, about a dozen chairs. Maybe even snacks. > > David > > > -----Original Message----- > From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org on behalf of agamotto > Sent: Thu 11/13/2008 10:00 AM > To: qclug@qclug.org > Subject: [QCLUG] Searching for new space > > In my calls yesterday to see who might be able to host us in = a > quieter setting, I have had only one response so far. > > The DPL @ Fairmont does have a room that is available, but it is = already > heavily booked. There are groups that meet there already on Tuesdays > and Wednesdays. So much for that one, but could be useful at a later = time. > > I have not been able to reach anyone at the MPL, as no one seems to = know > how to pick up the phone as of yesterday and this morning. I will = keep > trying. I called the RIPL, and am waiting to hear back from them, as = well > as > the BlackHawk AEC, which is located in East Moline. > > Randy > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > > _______________________________________________ QCLUG mailing list QCLUG@qclug.org http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/1a3cc2c1/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From Robert@RM-Jones.com Thu Nov 13 16:56:33 2008 From: Robert@RM-Jones.com (Robert Jones) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:56:33 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Searching for new space In-Reply-To: <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF189470117ED2B@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> References: <491C4F39.9070407@sbcglobal.net><41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF189470117ED26@cipapdc.cipafilter.com><41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF189470117ED27@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF189470117ED2B@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> Message-ID: <491C5C41.8090509@RM-Jones.com> Dave, When you do please give directions on how to get there, for us small town folks here in Le Claire :-) Thanks Bob Jones David Hinkle wrote: > > I've sent an email off to the boss, he's on his yacht on the east > coast, so it might be a couple days before he checks his email. > After we get his OK, I'll let you know and you can consider it confirmed. > > David > From Robert@RM-Jones.com Fri Nov 14 01:00:26 2008 From: Robert@RM-Jones.com (Robert Jones) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:00:26 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] There is a Linux Forum on the LCCUG site Message-ID: <491CCDAA.2020904@RM-Jones.com> Just a short note to let you know that I have the Le Claire Computer Users Group (LCCUG) web site functional and that I placed a forum on it. There is a Linux forum as part of that. Please feel free to use it if you like. The forum is open to all users as long as they play nice :-) You can get to the web site at http://www.lccug.us If you visit the site please provide comments back to me so I know what I need to change. Thank You. Bob Jones From vorlon@dodds.net Fri Nov 14 04:51:48 2008 From: vorlon@dodds.net (Steve Langasek) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:51:48 -0800 Subject: [QCLUG] Ubuntu fresh install without loosing packages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081114045147.GE25850@dario.dodds.net> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 05:52:51PM -0600, Chris Cooper wrote: > During the meeting this week there was some discussion about backing > up all your Ubuntu packages so you could do a fresh install without > loosing anything. > Here is a good set of instructions I found: > http://hehe2.net/linuxhowto/howto-fresh-ubuntu-install-without-losing-your-current-settings/ > sudo dpkg –get-selections > /home/user/package.selections ^ Somewhere along the line, something in your mail pipeline is being "helpful". This must be a literal "--", not the "–" that it's been replaced with here... Cheers, -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developer http://www.debian.org/ slangasek@ubuntu.com vorlon@debian.org From jmkris@gmail.com Fri Nov 14 18:49:24 2008 From: jmkris@gmail.com (Jim Kristan) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:49:24 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Searching for new space In-Reply-To: <491C5C41.8090509@RM-Jones.com> References: <491C4F39.9070407@sbcglobal.net> <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF189470117ED26@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF189470117ED27@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF189470117ED2B@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> <491C5C41.8090509@RM-Jones.com> Message-ID: Trying to estimate attendance is difficult, but the November meeting was probably about as well attended as I have ever seen. Jim K On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Robert Jones wrote: > Dave, When you do please give directions on how to get there, for us small > town folks here in Le Claire :-) > Thanks > Bob Jones > > David Hinkle wrote: >> >> I've sent an email off to the boss, he's on his yacht on the east coast, >> so it might be a couple days before he checks his email. After we get his >> OK, I'll let you know and you can consider it confirmed. >> >> David >> > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > From hinkle@cipafilter.com Fri Nov 14 18:50:51 2008 From: hinkle@cipafilter.com (David Hinkle) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:50:51 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Searching for new space References: <491C4F39.9070407@sbcglobal.net><41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF189470117ED26@cipapdc.cipafilter.com><41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF189470117ED27@cipapdc.cipafilter.com><41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF189470117ED2B@cipapdc.cipafilter.com><491C5C41.8090509@RM-Jones.com> Message-ID: <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF189470117ED44@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment I wasn't at that meeting, I was just looking for a ballbark... 10 = people, 20 people, 100 people? -----Original Message----- From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org on behalf of Jim Kristan Sent: Fri 11/14/2008 12:49 PM To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: Re: [QCLUG] Searching for new space =20 Trying to estimate attendance is difficult, but the November meeting was probably about as well attended as I have ever seen. Jim K On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Robert Jones = wrote: > Dave, When you do please give directions on how to get there, for us = small > town folks here in Le Claire :-) > Thanks > Bob Jones > > David Hinkle wrote: >> >> I've sent an email off to the boss, he's on his yacht on the east = coast, >> so it might be a couple days before he checks his email. After we = get his >> OK, I'll let you know and you can consider it confirmed. >> >> David >> > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > _______________________________________________ QCLUG mailing list QCLUG@qclug.org http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/01c33d20/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From jmkris@gmail.com Fri Nov 14 18:52:35 2008 From: jmkris@gmail.com (Jim Kristan) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:52:35 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Searching for new space In-Reply-To: References: <491C4F39.9070407@sbcglobal.net> <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF189470117ED26@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF189470117ED27@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF189470117ED2B@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> <491C5C41.8090509@RM-Jones.com> Message-ID: Let me add, the best attended meeting with the possible exception of Randy's demo of Myth TV. Jim K On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 12:49 PM, Jim Kristan wrote: > Trying to estimate attendance is difficult, but the November meeting > was probably about as well attended as I have ever seen. > Jim K > > On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Robert Jones wrote: >> Dave, When you do please give directions on how to get there, for us small >> town folks here in Le Claire :-) >> Thanks >> Bob Jones >> >> David Hinkle wrote: >>> >>> I've sent an email off to the boss, he's on his yacht on the east coast, >>> so it might be a couple days before he checks his email. After we get his >>> OK, I'll let you know and you can consider it confirmed. >>> >>> David >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> QCLUG mailing list >> QCLUG@qclug.org >> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug >> > From jmkris@gmail.com Fri Nov 14 18:54:38 2008 From: jmkris@gmail.com (Jim Kristan) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:54:38 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Searching for new space In-Reply-To: <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF189470117ED44@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> References: <491C4F39.9070407@sbcglobal.net> <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF189470117ED26@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF189470117ED27@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF189470117ED2B@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> <491C5C41.8090509@RM-Jones.com> <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF189470117ED44@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> Message-ID: I will cheerfully accept corrections, but my guess is about 15 people. Jim K On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 12:50 PM, David Hinkle wrote: > I wasn't at that meeting, I was just looking for a ballbark... 10 people, 20 > people, 100 people? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org on behalf of Jim Kristan > Sent: Fri 11/14/2008 12:49 PM > To: qclug@qclug.org > Subject: Re: [QCLUG] Searching for new space > > Trying to estimate attendance is difficult, but the November meeting > was probably about as well attended as I have ever seen. > Jim K > > On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Robert Jones wrote: >> Dave, When you do please give directions on how to get there, for us small >> town folks here in Le Claire :-) >> Thanks >> Bob Jones >> >> David Hinkle wrote: >>> >>> I've sent an email off to the boss, he's on his yacht on the east coast, >>> so it might be a couple days before he checks his email. After we get >>> his >>> OK, I'll let you know and you can consider it confirmed. >>> >>> David >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> QCLUG mailing list >> QCLUG@qclug.org >> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug >> > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > From volunteer.jim@gmail.com Sun Nov 16 01:43:27 2008 From: volunteer.jim@gmail.com (Jim Hall) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 01:43:27 +0000 Subject: [QCLUG] Save a drive Message-ID: <997c8c1b0811151743u134773ebj34a451a5ddebb556@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment I had so much fun at the meeting I only mentioned this briefly near the end. I have a Debian Etch install with what appears to be a seriously trashed MBR. No longer boots, even from floppy or CD. It's readable from a live CD or as a slave drive. Also have another drive the same size. Methinks I should be able to copy bad to good, reinstall Grub and have a working drive again. This is based on theoretical Q&A from a long time ago. Any command or program recommendations? Jim ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/8d1cfec3/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From mriedesel@gmail.com Sun Nov 16 02:11:22 2008 From: mriedesel@gmail.com (Mark Riedesel) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 20:11:22 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Save a drive In-Reply-To: <997c8c1b0811151743u134773ebj34a451a5ddebb556@mail.gmail.com> References: <997c8c1b0811151743u134773ebj34a451a5ddebb556@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1c9537490811151811s6c3e0583iddbad9d18ebb8d7f@mail.gmail.com> Boot from knoppix or some live cd and try running gpart (not gparted!), it scans the disk contents and attempts to rebuild the partition table. If that works, then reinstall grub and all shall be well. Although you say you can read the drive's contents by means of mounting the partitons, then your partition table is probably fine so it's likely just a grub issue. If you think the drive is physically failing, smartmontools might provide some info regarding failures, just an idea. On 11/15/08, Jim Hall wrote: > I had so much fun at the meeting I only mentioned this briefly near the end. > > I have a Debian Etch install with what appears to be a seriously trashed > MBR. No longer boots, even from floppy or CD. It's readable from a live CD > or as a slave drive. Also have another drive the same size. Methinks I > should be able to copy bad to good, reinstall Grub and have a working drive > again. This is based on theoretical Q&A from a long time ago. > > Any command or program recommendations? > > Jim > From volunteer.jim@gmail.com Sun Nov 16 20:00:25 2008 From: volunteer.jim@gmail.com (Jim Hall) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:00:25 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Save a drive In-Reply-To: <1c9537490811151811s6c3e0583iddbad9d18ebb8d7f@mail.gmail.com> References: <997c8c1b0811151743u134773ebj34a451a5ddebb556@mail.gmail.com> <1c9537490811151811s6c3e0583iddbad9d18ebb8d7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <997c8c1b0811161200k5baea8d4i5143e1182879b28d@mail.gmail.com> On 11/15/08, Mark Riedesel wrote: > Boot from knoppix or some live cd and try running gpart (not > gparted!), it scans the disk contents and attempts to rebuild the > partition table. If that works, then reinstall grub and all shall be > well. > > Although you say you can read the drive's contents by means of > mounting the partitons, then your partition table is probably fine so > it's likely just a grub issue. > > If you think the drive is physically failing, smartmontools might > provide some info regarding failures, just an idea. > > On 11/15/08, Jim Hall wrote: >> I had so much fun at the meeting I only mentioned this briefly near the >> end. >> >> I have a Debian Etch install with what appears to be a seriously trashed >> MBR. No longer boots, even from floppy or CD. It's readable from a live CD >> or as a slave drive. Also have another drive the same size. Methinks I >> should be able to copy bad to good, reinstall Grub and have a working >> drive >> again. This is based on theoretical Q&A from a long time ago. >> >> Any command or program recommendations? >> >> Jim >> > _______________________________________________ > That was interesting. Ran gpart, scanned and wrote new partition table, reinstalled grub. No change . It looks like I'm back to the idea of getting this install onto aanother drive. I have another drive the same size. Im leery of a bit for bit clone because I don't know what the bad sector tables look like. If I can do a "pick up the contents of a partition and drop it in a partition on another drive", then it might work. Anyway, I'm going to keep researching. Jim From mriedesel@gmail.com Sun Nov 16 21:11:23 2008 From: mriedesel@gmail.com (Mark Riedesel) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:11:23 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Save a drive In-Reply-To: <997c8c1b0811161200k5baea8d4i5143e1182879b28d@mail.gmail.com> References: <997c8c1b0811151743u134773ebj34a451a5ddebb556@mail.gmail.com> <1c9537490811151811s6c3e0583iddbad9d18ebb8d7f@mail.gmail.com> <997c8c1b0811161200k5baea8d4i5143e1182879b28d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1c9537490811161311m6a8a71a4h17a4637e4a2d9567@mail.gmail.com> Doesn"t sound like a physical disk problem so much, I would suspect something like bios disk boot order or something. Does grub start but fail? Or does the system not attempt to boot from that drive at all? As for copying the contents of the partitons, tar is fully capable of such things provided you use the proper options. On 11/16/08, Jim Hall wrote: > On 11/15/08, Mark Riedesel wrote: >> Boot from knoppix or some live cd and try running gpart (not >> gparted!), it scans the disk contents and attempts to rebuild the >> partition table. If that works, then reinstall grub and all shall be >> well. >> >> Although you say you can read the drive's contents by means of >> mounting the partitons, then your partition table is probably fine so >> it's likely just a grub issue. >> >> If you think the drive is physically failing, smartmontools might >> provide some info regarding failures, just an idea. >> >> On 11/15/08, Jim Hall wrote: >>> I had so much fun at the meeting I only mentioned this briefly near the >>> end. >>> >>> I have a Debian Etch install with what appears to be a seriously trashed >>> MBR. No longer boots, even from floppy or CD. It's readable from a live >>> CD >>> or as a slave drive. Also have another drive the same size. Methinks I >>> should be able to copy bad to good, reinstall Grub and have a working >>> drive >>> again. This is based on theoretical Q&A from a long time ago. >>> >>> Any command or program recommendations? >>> >>> Jim >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> > > > That was interesting. Ran gpart, scanned and wrote new partition > table, reinstalled grub. No change . > > It looks like I'm back to the idea of getting this install onto > aanother drive. I have another drive the same size. Im leery of a bit > for bit clone because I don't know what the bad sector tables look > like. If I can do a "pick up the contents of a partition and drop it > in a partition on another drive", then it might work. > > Anyway, I'm going to keep researching. > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > From agamotto@sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 17 23:57:57 2008 From: agamotto@sbcglobal.net (agamotto) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:57:57 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Searching for new space Message-ID: <49220505.20101@sbcglobal.net> Well, I officially give up with the local libraries... not one of them outside of DPL @ Fairmount has returned my phone calls. I can't think of other places that could host us on a monthly basis... From agamotto@sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 18 00:01:01 2008 From: agamotto@sbcglobal.net (agamotto) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:01:01 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Searching for new space Message-ID: <492205BD.8010500@sbcglobal.net> CIPA filter does sound like it has what we need. Coolies to me so far... From hinkle@cipafilter.com Tue Nov 18 21:49:34 2008 From: hinkle@cipafilter.com (David Hinkle) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:49:34 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] CIPAFilter References: <492205BD.8010500@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF189470117ED6D@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/mixed attachment Well, here's the information back from the boss. On the 8th, 9th, and = 10th of December the conference room is being renovated, some big new = table or some such is being installed so it will be unavailable. My understanding is that you meet on the second tuesday of every month, = which just happens to be the 9th, so that's a no go. The 2nd, however, = is fine, if you'd like to do the first tuesday. Otherwise, we can do = January. David -----Original Message----- From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org on behalf of agamotto Sent: Mon 11/17/2008 6:01 PM To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: [QCLUG] Searching for new space =20 CIPA filter does sound like it has what we need. Coolies to me so = far... _______________________________________________ QCLUG mailing list QCLUG@qclug.org http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug ---------------------- multipart/mixed attachment A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On the 8th, 9th, and 10th of December the conference room is being renovated, some big new table or some such is being installed so it will be unavailable. > > My understanding is that you meet on the second tuesday of every month, which just happens to be the 9th, so that's a no go. The 2nd, however, is fine, if you'd like to do the first tuesday. Otherwise, we can do January. > > David > > > -----Original Message----- > From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org on behalf of agamotto > Sent: Mon 11/17/2008 6:01 PM > To: qclug@qclug.org > Subject: [QCLUG] Searching for new space > > CIPA filter does sound like it has what we need. Coolies to me so far... > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > From jmkris@gmail.com Tue Nov 18 21:59:39 2008 From: jmkris@gmail.com (Jim Kristan) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:59:39 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Searching for new space In-Reply-To: <492205BD.8010500@sbcglobal.net> References: <492205BD.8010500@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Thanks for your effort. Jim K On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 6:01 PM, agamotto wrote: > CIPA filter does sound like it has what we need. Coolies to me so > far... > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > From QCAdmin@gmail.com Wed Nov 19 16:40:30 2008 From: QCAdmin@gmail.com (Chris Cooper) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:40:30 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Linux Tool of the Week? Message-ID: I was thinking, since the LUG has been so dead recently, we should start up a couple reoccurring threads to keep it active. Not being the type to spur an idea without stepping up, I am looking to gauge the interest in a Linux Tool of the Week thread. I would try to post roughly once a week (probably Sunday, but really whenever I find something worth posting about). I would primarily be focusing on command line tools aimed at the network / systems admin crowd, since this is where I use Linux the most, and have the biggest need for tips, tricks, and shortcuts. Some of the tools will probably be old-hat to some, and impractical to others (not many home users have the need for a web-server / mysql backup script), but I feel there are enough Linux professionals on this list to hopefully make it worth while. If nothing else, at least it might spur some good discussion and get some interest back into the QCLUG mailing list. What do you think? -Cooper From t.shearouse@gmail.com Wed Nov 19 18:15:50 2008 From: t.shearouse@gmail.com (Tim Shearouse) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:15:50 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] QCLUG meeting place Message-ID: ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Hey all, So not having a car on campus, I've yet to attend a meeting ... though Leif has invited me a few times ... but I'm a QC native, a Linux user, and current president of the Augustana College AITP chapter. Anyway, point is, if you all still need a regular meeting place the Augustana AITP chapter would love to host QCLUG. We use a room on the 3rd floor of Olin with about 40 seats, an instructor console with a projector, outlets set in the floor, and good wifi. There are faculty parking lots nearby which are freely available for general parking after 5pm. Our only stipulation is that no one try to hack our network or servers ... we don't want that :D Just let me know, Tim Shearouse ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/d18d5a06/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From dbergert@gmail.com Wed Nov 19 18:26:17 2008 From: dbergert@gmail.com (Dave Bergert) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:26:17 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Linux Tool of the Week? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44262bfc0811191026n5cba8f38qbdcac3e0cf7f47f@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment I like grep and rgrep. DB On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Chris Cooper wrote: > I was thinking, since the LUG has been so dead recently, we should > start up a couple reoccurring threads to keep it active. Not being > the type to spur an idea without stepping up, I am looking to gauge > the interest in a Linux Tool of the Week thread. > > I would try to post roughly once a week (probably Sunday, but really > whenever I find something worth posting about). I would primarily be > focusing on command line tools aimed at the network / systems admin > crowd, since this is where I use Linux the most, and have the biggest > need for tips, tricks, and shortcuts. Some of the tools will probably > be old-hat to some, and impractical to others (not many home users > have the need for a web-server / mysql backup script), but I feel > there are enough Linux professionals on this list to hopefully make it > worth while. If nothing else, at least it might spur some good > discussion and get some interest back into the QCLUG mailing list. > What do you think? > > -Cooper > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/ed0fc22f/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From hinkle@cipafilter.com Wed Nov 19 18:34:06 2008 From: hinkle@cipafilter.com (David Hinkle) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:34:06 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Linux Tool of the Week? References: <44262bfc0811191026n5cba8f38qbdcac3e0cf7f47f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF189470117ED6F@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment egrep, awk, and sed are my 3 big shell script utils. =20 David -----Original Message----- From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org on behalf of Dave Bergert Sent: Wed 11/19/2008 12:26 PM To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: Re: [QCLUG] Linux Tool of the Week? =20 I like grep and rgrep. DB On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Chris Cooper = wrote: > I was thinking, since the LUG has been so dead recently, we should > start up a couple reoccurring threads to keep it active. Not being > the type to spur an idea without stepping up, I am looking to gauge > the interest in a Linux Tool of the Week thread. > > I would try to post roughly once a week (probably Sunday, but really > whenever I find something worth posting about). I would primarily be > focusing on command line tools aimed at the network / systems admin > crowd, since this is where I use Linux the most, and have the biggest > need for tips, tricks, and shortcuts. Some of the tools will probably > be old-hat to some, and impractical to others (not many home users > have the need for a web-server / mysql backup script), but I feel > there are enough Linux professionals on this list to hopefully make it > worth while. If nothing else, at least it might spur some good > discussion and get some interest back into the QCLUG mailing list. > What do you think? > > -Cooper > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/80307d24/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From mriedesel@gmail.com Wed Nov 19 18:39:13 2008 From: mriedesel@gmail.com (Mark Riedesel) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:39:13 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Linux Tool of the Week? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1c9537490811191039j129e6a03j83fce97c20e297a6@mail.gmail.com> Sounds like a fine idea to me On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Chris Cooper wrote: > I was thinking, since the LUG has been so dead recently, we should > start up a couple reoccurring threads to keep it active. Not being > the type to spur an idea without stepping up, I am looking to gauge > the interest in a Linux Tool of the Week thread. > > I would try to post roughly once a week (probably Sunday, but really > whenever I find something worth posting about). I would primarily be > focusing on command line tools aimed at the network / systems admin > crowd, since this is where I use Linux the most, and have the biggest > need for tips, tricks, and shortcuts. Some of the tools will probably > be old-hat to some, and impractical to others (not many home users > have the need for a web-server / mysql backup script), but I feel > there are enough Linux professionals on this list to hopefully make it > worth while. If nothing else, at least it might spur some good > discussion and get some interest back into the QCLUG mailing list. > What do you think? > > -Cooper > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > From LMcKnight@bandag.com Wed Nov 19 18:49:31 2008 From: LMcKnight@bandag.com (McKnight, Lee) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:49:31 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] QCLUG meeting place In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Thanks for the offer! Maybe we could alternate using both Augie & Cipafilter? =20 Lee McKnight Team Lead, Mainframe Operations Bridgestone Firestone Information Technology 563.262.5334 =20 From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org [mailto:qclug-bounces@qclug.org] On Behalf Of Tim Shearouse Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:16 PM To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: [QCLUG] QCLUG meeting place =20 Hey all, So not having a car on campus, I've yet to attend a meeting ... though Leif has invited me a few times ... but I'm a QC native, a Linux user, and current president of the Augustana College AITP chapter.=20 Anyway, point is, if you all still need a regular meeting place the Augustana AITP chapter would love to host QCLUG. We use a room on the 3rd floor of Olin with about 40 seats, an instructor console with a projector, outlets set in the floor, and good wifi. There are faculty parking lots nearby which are freely available for general parking after 5pm. Our only stipulation is that no one try to hack our network or servers ... we don't want that :D Just let me know, Tim Shearouse ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/86087e19/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From leif.theden@gmail.com Fri Nov 21 13:08:28 2008 From: leif.theden@gmail.com (Leif Theden) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:08:28 +0800 Subject: [QCLUG] Save a drive In-Reply-To: <1c9537490811161311m6a8a71a4h17a4637e4a2d9567@mail.gmail.com> References: <997c8c1b0811151743u134773ebj34a451a5ddebb556@mail.gmail.com> <1c9537490811151811s6c3e0583iddbad9d18ebb8d7f@mail.gmail.com> <997c8c1b0811161200k5baea8d4i5143e1182879b28d@mail.gmail.com> <1c9537490811161311m6a8a71a4h17a4637e4a2d9567@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9a65bf850811210508v7c978233j41c4ae281087493f@mail.gmail.com> It defiently sounds like a boot-loader problem. A couple years ago, I had a similar problem that I couldn't figure out. My solution was to simply add another drive and install linux again, then mount my old drive. Not the most elegant solution, but I didn't have any headaches (until I wanted to really fix it). I really fixed it by using a knoppix cd and reinstalling GRUB (grub-install from the command line) until it finally worked. On 11/17/08, Mark Riedesel wrote: > Doesn"t sound like a physical disk problem so much, I would suspect > something like bios disk boot order or something. Does grub start but > fail? Or does the system not attempt to boot from that drive at all? > > As for copying the contents of the partitons, tar is fully capable of > such things provided you use the proper options. > > On 11/16/08, Jim Hall wrote: > > On 11/15/08, Mark Riedesel wrote: > >> Boot from knoppix or some live cd and try running gpart (not > >> gparted!), it scans the disk contents and attempts to rebuild the > >> partition table. If that works, then reinstall grub and all shall be > >> well. > >> > >> Although you say you can read the drive's contents by means of > >> mounting the partitons, then your partition table is probably fine so > >> it's likely just a grub issue. > >> > >> If you think the drive is physically failing, smartmontools might > >> provide some info regarding failures, just an idea. > >> > >> On 11/15/08, Jim Hall wrote: > >>> I had so much fun at the meeting I only mentioned this briefly near the > >>> end. > >>> > >>> I have a Debian Etch install with what appears to be a seriously trashed > >>> MBR. No longer boots, even from floppy or CD. It's readable from a live > >>> CD > >>> or as a slave drive. Also have another drive the same size. Methinks I > >>> should be able to copy bad to good, reinstall Grub and have a working > >>> drive > >>> again. This is based on theoretical Q&A from a long time ago. > >>> > >>> Any command or program recommendations? > >>> > >>> Jim > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > > > > > > That was interesting. Ran gpart, scanned and wrote new partition > > table, reinstalled grub. No change . > > > > It looks like I'm back to the idea of getting this install onto > > aanother drive. I have another drive the same size. Im leery of a bit > > for bit clone because I don't know what the bad sector tables look > > like. If I can do a "pick up the contents of a partition and drop it > > in a partition on another drive", then it might work. > > > > Anyway, I'm going to keep researching. > > > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > > QCLUG mailing list > > QCLUG@qclug.org > > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > From hinkle@cipafilter.com Fri Nov 21 15:57:16 2008 From: hinkle@cipafilter.com (David Hinkle) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:57:16 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] December Meeting References: <997c8c1b0811151743u134773ebj34a451a5ddebb556@mail.gmail.com><1c9537490811151811s6c3e0583iddbad9d18ebb8d7f@mail.gmail.com><997c8c1b0811161200k5baea8d4i5143e1182879b28d@mail.gmail.com><1c9537490811161311m6a8a71a4h17a4637e4a2d9567@mail.gmail.com> <9a65bf850811210508v7c978233j41c4ae281087493f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF1894701C6A2CE@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/mixed attachment Did you guys ever decide what you want to do about next months meeting? 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Can we please get some input, and give David an answer about his kind offer of what I consider a much improved meeting space? Jim Kristan On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:57 AM, David Hinkle wrote: > Did you guys ever decide what you want to do about next months meeting? > > David > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > From mriedesel@gmail.com Sat Nov 22 05:39:45 2008 From: mriedesel@gmail.com (Mark Riedesel) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:39:45 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] December Meeting In-Reply-To: References: <997c8c1b0811151743u134773ebj34a451a5ddebb556@mail.gmail.com> <1c9537490811151811s6c3e0583iddbad9d18ebb8d7f@mail.gmail.com> <997c8c1b0811161200k5baea8d4i5143e1182879b28d@mail.gmail.com> <1c9537490811161311m6a8a71a4h17a4637e4a2d9567@mail.gmail.com> <9a65bf850811210508v7c978233j41c4ae281087493f@mail.gmail.com> <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF1894701C6A2CE@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> Message-ID: <1c9537490811212139r1a98dfc9lcaf398e978ab2d64@mail.gmail.com> We're all just guys that attend the meetings ;-) I think it'd be good to keep the usual 2nd Tuesday, which means Augustana for December, but I'm also going to be in Germany for a bit of December so I'm not sure if I'll be able to attend the 1st or 2nd Tuesday, so it doesn't matter to me all that much. On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 10:16 PM, Jim Kristan wrote: > David's offer sounds like the perfect situation, but I'm only a guy > that attends meetings. > Can we please get some input, and give David an answer about his kind offer of > what I consider a much improved meeting space? > Jim Kristan > > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:57 AM, David Hinkle wrote: >> Did you guys ever decide what you want to do about next months meeting? >> >> David >> >> _______________________________________________ >> QCLUG mailing list >> QCLUG@qclug.org >> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > From mriedesel@gmail.com Sun Nov 23 19:46:25 2008 From: mriedesel@gmail.com (Mark Riedesel) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 13:46:25 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] December meeting place poll Message-ID: <1c9537490811231146w596df3c0r5fbd78e9bcc98ba4@mail.gmail.com> Greetings everyone, It appears as though I'll be out of town for the second Tuesday of December, so scooting the meeting up to the first Tuesday (Dec. 2nd) is fine with me, that may also help us avoid holiday related business and such as well. Looks like our options are: - 2nd Tuesday at Panera as usual (incredibly busy and kind of cramped this time of year) - 2nd Tuesday at Augustana - 1st Tuesday at CIPAFilter I'm up for giving CIPAFilter a shot, cast your votes rare/semi-regular/regular attenders. From arronlorenz@gmail.com Sun Nov 23 19:53:05 2008 From: arronlorenz@gmail.com (Arron Lorenz) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 13:53:05 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] December meeting place poll In-Reply-To: <1c9537490811231146w596df3c0r5fbd78e9bcc98ba4@mail.gmail.com> References: <1c9537490811231146w596df3c0r5fbd78e9bcc98ba4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <30cf66b30811231153o2ff8c744g8d9bae3d19f7b72c@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Rare -- CIPAFilter I like both Augusta, and CIPA because we would be in a more secluded meeting area. I can see how Panera is great for 6-8 people but any more then that and everyone was too spread out. Also the biggest reason I don't end up being able to come is I attend the Blue Grass Community Club's meeting on the second Tuesday of each month. I don't think everyone needs to change there schedule for me but that is why I'm choosing that. I wouldn't mind changing things up a bit. Maybe December at CIPA, January at Augustana, etc... I also enjoy the idea of visiting some places that fit the OSS model. It would be interesting to visit CIPA, get a short presentation about there software and then have the rest of the time for the normal *nix, OSS banter. It really just depnds on what the regulars want. You guys keep the group together. Regards, Arron On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Mark Riedesel wrote: > Greetings everyone, > > It appears as though I'll be out of town for the second Tuesday of > December, so scooting the meeting up to the first Tuesday (Dec. 2nd) > is fine with me, that may also help us avoid holiday related business > and such as well. > > Looks like our options are: > - 2nd Tuesday at Panera as usual (incredibly busy and kind of cramped > this time of year) > - 2nd Tuesday at Augustana > - 1st Tuesday at CIPAFilter > > I'm up for giving CIPAFilter a shot, cast your votes > rare/semi-regular/regular attenders. > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > -- From: Arron James Lorenz Reel to Reel Drive In http://www.DavenportDriveIn.com 563-579-7046 ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/1d99fda5/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From jmkris@gmail.com Sun Nov 23 19:59:01 2008 From: jmkris@gmail.com (Jim Kristan) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 13:59:01 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] December meeting place poll In-Reply-To: <1c9537490811231146w596df3c0r5fbd78e9bcc98ba4@mail.gmail.com> References: <1c9537490811231146w596df3c0r5fbd78e9bcc98ba4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Considering parking, location, and the facility, I think we should give CIPA Filter a try. Jim Kristan On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Mark Riedesel wrote: > Greetings everyone, > > It appears as though I'll be out of town for the second Tuesday of > December, so scooting the meeting up to the first Tuesday (Dec. 2nd) > is fine with me, that may also help us avoid holiday related business > and such as well. > > Looks like our options are: > - 2nd Tuesday at Panera as usual (incredibly busy and kind of cramped > this time of year) > - 2nd Tuesday at Augustana > - 1st Tuesday at CIPAFilter > > I'm up for giving CIPAFilter a shot, cast your votes > rare/semi-regular/regular attenders. > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > From QCAdmin@gmail.com Sun Nov 23 20:02:17 2008 From: QCAdmin@gmail.com (Chris Cooper) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:02:17 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] December meeting place poll In-Reply-To: <1c9537490811231146w596df3c0r5fbd78e9bcc98ba4@mail.gmail.com> References: <1c9537490811231146w596df3c0r5fbd78e9bcc98ba4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Rare, but trying for semi or regular. Augustana works best for me, but really it is just convenience. I usually forget about the meeting until I get home ~6:30. I live close enough to the college I could still feasibly make it. I also think that the college would offer some good exposure. Students just curious about Linux would be a lot more likely to drop in to a meeting on campus. -Cooper On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Mark Riedesel wrote: > Greetings everyone, > > It appears as though I'll be out of town for the second Tuesday of > December, so scooting the meeting up to the first Tuesday (Dec. 2nd) > is fine with me, that may also help us avoid holiday related business > and such as well. > > Looks like our options are: > - 2nd Tuesday at Panera as usual (incredibly busy and kind of cramped > this time of year) > - 2nd Tuesday at Augustana > - 1st Tuesday at CIPAFilter > > I'm up for giving CIPAFilter a shot, cast your votes > rare/semi-regular/regular attenders. > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > From Robert@RM-Jones.com Sun Nov 23 20:20:54 2008 From: Robert@RM-Jones.com (Robert Jones) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:20:54 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] December meeting place poll In-Reply-To: <1c9537490811231146w596df3c0r5fbd78e9bcc98ba4@mail.gmail.com> References: <1c9537490811231146w596df3c0r5fbd78e9bcc98ba4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4929BB26.5080600@RM-Jones.com> I don't know where either place is but they are both probably a long way from Le Claire :-) Once the decision is made please put up some driving instructions from the Bettendorf / Moline bridge for us small town folks that don't get out much :-) I haven't been getting to many of the meetings so don't take my needs into account but I can't ever make it on the first Tuesday of the month. That is the night that the Le Claire Computer Users Group, that I started this month, meets and I have to be there. If you meet on the first Tuesday don't worry about me, just realize why I can't make it. I'll keep up with what is going on by email. Have A Great Day Bob Jones Mark Riedesel wrote: > Greetings everyone, > > It appears as though I'll be out of town for the second Tuesday of > December, so scooting the meeting up to the first Tuesday (Dec. 2nd) > is fine with me, that may also help us avoid holiday related business > and such as well. > > Looks like our options are: > - 2nd Tuesday at Panera as usual (incredibly busy and kind of cramped > this time of year) > - 2nd Tuesday at Augustana > - 1st Tuesday at CIPAFilter > > I'm up for giving CIPAFilter a shot, cast your votes > rare/semi-regular/regular attenders. > > From jmkris@gmail.com Sun Nov 23 21:30:28 2008 From: jmkris@gmail.com (Jim Kristan) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:30:28 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] December meeting place poll In-Reply-To: <4929BB26.5080600@RM-Jones.com> References: <1c9537490811231146w596df3c0r5fbd78e9bcc98ba4@mail.gmail.com> <4929BB26.5080600@RM-Jones.com> Message-ID: Robert East Moline would be about 20 minutes from LeClare, Rock Island a bit farther. We are only talking about changing the December meeting, so if you can't make that one, we will save a place fpr you in the future. Jim K On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Robert Jones wrote: > I don't know where either place is but they are both probably a long way > from Le Claire :-) Once the decision is made please put up some driving > instructions from the Bettendorf / Moline bridge for us small town folks > that don't get out much :-) > I haven't been getting to many of the meetings so don't take my needs into > account but I can't ever make it on the first Tuesday of the month. That is > the night that the Le Claire Computer Users Group, that I started this > month, meets and I have to be there. If you meet on the first Tuesday don't > worry about me, just realize why I can't make it. I'll keep up with what is > going on by email. > Have A Great Day > Bob Jones > > Mark Riedesel wrote: >> >> Greetings everyone, >> >> It appears as though I'll be out of town for the second Tuesday of >> December, so scooting the meeting up to the first Tuesday (Dec. 2nd) >> is fine with me, that may also help us avoid holiday related business >> and such as well. >> >> Looks like our options are: >> - 2nd Tuesday at Panera as usual (incredibly busy and kind of cramped >> this time of year) >> - 2nd Tuesday at Augustana >> - 1st Tuesday at CIPAFilter >> >> I'm up for giving CIPAFilter a shot, cast your votes >> rare/semi-regular/regular attenders. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > From Robert@RM-Jones.com Sun Nov 23 22:26:02 2008 From: Robert@RM-Jones.com (Robert Jones) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:26:02 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] December meeting place poll In-Reply-To: References: <1c9537490811231146w596df3c0r5fbd78e9bcc98ba4@mail.gmail.com> <4929BB26.5080600@RM-Jones.com> Message-ID: <4929D87A.2050104@RM-Jones.com> OK, I thought they were talking about a permanent change of days. Once a place is decided on I will have to get an address and look it up on my GPS. Jim Kristan wrote: > Robert > East Moline would be about 20 minutes from LeClare, Rock Island a bit > farther. We are only talking about changing the December meeting, so > if you can't make that one, we will save a place fpr you in the > future. > Jim K From hinkle@cipafilter.com Sun Nov 23 23:01:55 2008 From: hinkle@cipafilter.com (David Hinkle) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:01:55 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] December meeting place poll References: <1c9537490811231146w596df3c0r5fbd78e9bcc98ba4@mail.gmail.com><4929BB26.5080600@RM-Jones.com> <4929D87A.2050104@RM-Jones.com> Message-ID: <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF1894701C6A2DE@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment We're only talking about the December meeting. Our conference room here = at CIPAFilter is going to be renovated on the 2nd Tuesday of December. =20 For those that want to know where CIPAFilter is at, here's a map link. http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=3DUTF8&t=3Dh&msa=3D0&msid=3D10563043444= 4674376988.00045c6333ff33f8feb3b&ll=3D41.514695,-90.444732&spn=3D0.00333,= 0.008261&z=3D18 -----Original Message----- From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org on behalf of Robert Jones Sent: Sun 11/23/2008 4:26 PM To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: Re: [QCLUG] December meeting place poll =20 OK, I thought they were talking about a permanent change of days. Once=20 a place is decided on I will have to get an address and look it up on my = GPS. Jim Kristan wrote: > Robert > East Moline would be about 20 minutes from LeClare, Rock Island a bit > farther. We are only talking about changing the December meeting, so > if you can't make that one, we will save a place fpr you in the > future. > Jim K _______________________________________________ QCLUG mailing list QCLUG@qclug.org http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/99afa9d0/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From QCAdmin@gmail.com Sun Nov 23 23:14:00 2008 From: QCAdmin@gmail.com (Chris Cooper) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:14:00 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Linux Tool of the Week - netdiscover Message-ID: netdiscover - ARP based network resolution tool.Protocol http://nixgeneration.com/~jaime/netdiscover/ This week's highlight I found just over a year ago, and it quickly became one of my favorites. Netdiscover is a network scanner that finds all of the IP's in use on the local segment. Because it uses ARP, it is only able to scan the local ethernet segment, however, using arp gives it a couple advantages over traditional tools like nmap. The first advantage is that it can scan for firewalled devices that don't respond to ping requests. Even if a machine is set to drop all TCP/IP traffic, it will still respond to basic ARP requests. This is a requirement of the IPv4 specification to try to prevent IP address conflicts. For those that want to know a little more about ARP, Wikipedia has an excellent article here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_Resolution_Protocol The second advantage netdiscover has is that it does not need an address within the subnet it is trying to scan. It can quickly skip from subnet to subnet, scanning everything in between. This is useful when you are looking for a device with an unknown address. Take, for example, a wireless access point. Since the AP acts as a bridge, it doesn't need an IP address on the network to do its job, but the IP is required to reconfigure the device. Netdiscover is an easy way to track down the IP of the switch, even if it is outside the local subnet. Finally, it can show you if any IP address conflicts exist. In it's output, it provides the MAC address from each response and cross-references it with the OUI list. This gives you a fair idea of what type of device you are looking for. A final word of note, I have noticed that at full speed, netdiscover tends to occasionally miss devices, especially on large networks or networks with wireless segments. When scanning multiple subnets, i will typically leave the speed at default, but once I am targeting a specific subnet, I will typically use -s 10 or -s 50 to increase the wait between requests to 10-50ms (the default is 1ms). For example: "netdiscover -i eth0 -r 192.168.1.0/24 -s 50" -Cooper From dbergert@gmail.com Mon Nov 24 19:21:09 2008 From: dbergert@gmail.com (Dave Bergert) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:21:09 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Xen - virtual disks Message-ID: <44262bfc0811241121l79972266kf140d8c43a2cfe88@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Hi: Is anyone familiar with Xen ? I installed the Xen system on top of debian etch, and installed a windows guest, and everything is working well. My question relates to the virtual disks, especially the cdrom from my xen cfg: window.cfg disk = [ 'file:/home/xen/vm/olswindows/disk.img,ioemu:hda,w','file:/home/xen/iso/windows_image.iso,ioemu:hdc:cdrom,r' ] How do I change iso Images for my CD-rom ? Also, I tried to remove this disk setting from configuration, and the image would not boot, I have not found clear documentation on this at the xen website ? Anybody have any experience with this, or could point to any reference ? Regards, DB ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/007854fc/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From agamotto@sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 24 20:45:29 2008 From: agamotto@sbcglobal.net (agamotto) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:45:29 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] QCLUG Meeting Place Message-ID: <492B1269.8000802@sbcglobal.net> Anywhere would work for me. I am just glad that we have alternatives to Panera when we need it. From agamotto@sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 24 20:59:17 2008 From: agamotto@sbcglobal.net (agamotto) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:59:17 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Neat tipsI found to speed up boots Message-ID: <492B15A5.4080105@sbcglobal.net> Here are two neat tips I found in my new book: You can speed up start times in Ubuntu with your dual/multiple cores with an easy edit - Open your /etc/init.d/rc file with your favorite editor in SU mode, find the line that reads CONCURRENCY=none. Change this so it reads CONCURRENCY=shell. Save this file, and reboot. This allows your startup scripts and other bits to run on whatever cores are free, instead of trying to run all of them on one. This one is a bit more involved, but it caches frequently used files when you boot - On boot,(GRUB) highlight your usual startup, and hit e on the keyboard. Move the cursor to the second line, which starts with kernel... and hit e again. At the end of the line add the word PROFILE. Hit enter, then b to reboot the computer. The first time after this will be a bit slower, as the computer builds a read-ahead cache, but it should increase speeds after a few boot ups. Hope this helps someone! Randy From mriedesel@gmail.com Mon Nov 24 22:22:26 2008 From: mriedesel@gmail.com (Mark Riedesel) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:22:26 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Xen - virtual disks In-Reply-To: <44262bfc0811241121l79972266kf140d8c43a2cfe88@mail.gmail.com> References: <44262bfc0811241121l79972266kf140d8c43a2cfe88@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1c9537490811241422g7335b2d6lf1c75cebe1742be1@mail.gmail.com> This may help you, maybe.. specifically the `xm block-detach` and `xm block-attach` calls http://lists.xensource.com/archives/html/xen-users/2008-01/msg00009.html On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Dave Bergert wrote: > Hi: > > Is anyone familiar with Xen ? I installed the Xen system on top of debian > etch, and installed a windows guest, and everything is working well. > My question relates to the virtual disks, especially the cdrom > > > from my xen cfg: window.cfg > > disk = [ > 'file:/home/xen/vm/olswindows/disk.img,ioemu:hda,w','file:/home/xen/iso/windows_image.iso,ioemu:hdc:cdrom,r' > ] > > How do I change iso Images for my CD-rom ? > Also, I tried to remove this disk setting from configuration, and the image > would not boot, > > I have not found clear documentation on this at the xen website ? > > Anybody have any experience with this, or could point to any reference ? > > Regards, > DB > > > From mriedesel@gmail.com Mon Nov 24 22:50:14 2008 From: mriedesel@gmail.com (Mark Riedesel) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:50:14 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] December meeting place poll In-Reply-To: <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF1894701C6A2DE@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> References: <1c9537490811231146w596df3c0r5fbd78e9bcc98ba4@mail.gmail.com> <4929BB26.5080600@RM-Jones.com> <4929D87A.2050104@RM-Jones.com> <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF1894701C6A2DE@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> Message-ID: <1c9537490811241450h450559beoad3937cc8712e798@mail.gmail.com> Sounds like everyone that has been vocal is in favor of giving CIPAFilter a shot for the December meeting on the first Tuesday. If anyone wants to meet at Panera for the second Tuesday in addition then nobody is stopping you :-) Did I also notice in an earlier email that snacks are permitted at CIPAFilter? Mark On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 5:01 PM, David Hinkle wrote: > We're only talking about the December meeting. Our conference room here at > CIPAFilter is going to be renovated on the 2nd Tuesday of December. > > For those that want to know where CIPAFilter is at, here's a map link. > > http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&t=h&msa=0&msid=105630434444674376988.00045c6333ff33f8feb3b&ll=41.514695,-90.444732&spn=0.00333,0.008261&z=18 From dbergert@gmail.com Tue Nov 25 01:32:03 2008 From: dbergert@gmail.com (Dave Bergert) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:32:03 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Xen - virtual disks In-Reply-To: <1c9537490811241422g7335b2d6lf1c75cebe1742be1@mail.gmail.com> References: <44262bfc0811241121l79972266kf140d8c43a2cfe88@mail.gmail.com> <1c9537490811241422g7335b2d6lf1c75cebe1742be1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44262bfc0811241732r912c91qea9a03ff81a114f4@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Thanks Mark. I tried those previously to no avail. also the virsh tool appears to be specifc to fedora at first research. I'll try again - as well as re-read the man pages for xm block-detach/attach There was also something with a gemu-dm console that I could access, as well, but I don't have phyical access to the console and am connected via SSH. DB On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Mark Riedesel wrote: > This may help you, maybe.. specifically the `xm block-detach` and `xm > block-attach` calls > http://lists.xensource.com/archives/html/xen-users/2008-01/msg00009.html > > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Dave Bergert wrote: > > Hi: > > > > Is anyone familiar with Xen ? I installed the Xen system on top of debian > > etch, and installed a windows guest, and everything is working well. > > My question relates to the virtual disks, especially the cdrom > > > > > > from my xen cfg: window.cfg > > > > disk = [ > > > 'file:/home/xen/vm/olswindows/disk.img,ioemu:hda,w','file:/home/xen/iso/windows_image.iso,ioemu:hdc:cdrom,r' > > ] > > > > How do I change iso Images for my CD-rom ? > > Also, I tried to remove this disk setting from configuration, and the > image > > would not boot, > > > > I have not found clear documentation on this at the xen website ? > > > > Anybody have any experience with this, or could point to any reference ? > > > > Regards, > > DB > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/a8c35b37/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From dbergert@gmail.com Tue Nov 25 01:41:31 2008 From: dbergert@gmail.com (Dave Bergert) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:41:31 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Linux Tool of the Week - netdiscover In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44262bfc0811241741rb0337acw1e18a2b883c5a3a5@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Cool: I was not famialar with netdiscover: You can also do an apr scan with nmap: http://nmap.org/ nmap -PR but it looks like netdiscover gives a little more detail on NIC type/etc I've also used arpwatch: ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arpwatch ) in the past to detect when a new device is plugged into the LAN, it can even email an alert. - here is a simple how-to http://24h.atspace.com/it/security/arpwatch.htm DB On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Chris Cooper wrote: > netdiscover - ARP based network resolution tool.Protocol > http://nixgeneration.com/~jaime/netdiscover/ > > This week's highlight I found just over a year ago, and it quickly > became one of my favorites. Netdiscover is a network scanner that > finds all of the IP's in use on the local segment. Because it uses > ARP, it is only able to scan the local ethernet segment, however, > using arp gives it a couple advantages over traditional tools like > nmap. > > The first advantage is that it can scan for firewalled devices that > don't respond to ping requests. Even if a machine is set to drop all > TCP/IP traffic, it will still respond to basic ARP requests. This is > a requirement of the IPv4 specification to try to prevent IP address > conflicts. For those that want to know a little more about ARP, > Wikipedia has an excellent article here: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_Resolution_Protocol > > The second advantage netdiscover has is that it does not need an > address within the subnet it is trying to scan. It can quickly skip > from subnet to subnet, scanning everything in between. This is useful > when you are looking for a device with an unknown address. Take, for > example, a wireless access point. Since the AP acts as a bridge, it > doesn't need an IP address on the network to do its job, but the IP is > required to reconfigure the device. Netdiscover is an easy way to > track down the IP of the switch, even if it is outside the local > subnet. > > Finally, it can show you if any IP address conflicts exist. In it's > output, it provides the MAC address from each response and > cross-references it with the OUI list. This gives you a fair idea of > what type of device you are looking for. > > A final word of note, I have noticed that at full speed, netdiscover > tends to occasionally miss devices, especially on large networks or > networks with wireless segments. When scanning multiple subnets, i > will typically leave the speed at default, but once I am targeting a > specific subnet, I will typically use -s 10 or -s 50 to increase the > wait between requests to 10-50ms (the default is 1ms). > For example: "netdiscover -i eth0 -r 192.168.1.0/24 -s 50" > > -Cooper > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/57d7529b/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From hinkle@cipafilter.com Tue Nov 25 05:09:46 2008 From: hinkle@cipafilter.com (David Hinkle) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:09:46 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] December meeting place poll References: <1c9537490811231146w596df3c0r5fbd78e9bcc98ba4@mail.gmail.com><4929BB26.5080600@RM-Jones.com><4929D87A.2050104@RM-Jones.com><41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF1894701C6A2DE@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> <1c9537490811241450h450559beoad3937cc8712e798@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF1894701C6A2E8@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Yea, sure you guys can bring snacks. There will be some sodas there in = the room. David -----Original Message----- From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org on behalf of Mark Riedesel Sent: Mon 11/24/2008 4:50 PM To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: Re: [QCLUG] December meeting place poll =20 Sounds like everyone that has been vocal is in favor of giving CIPAFilter a shot for the December meeting on the first Tuesday. If anyone wants to meet at Panera for the second Tuesday in addition then nobody is stopping you :-) Did I also notice in an earlier email that snacks are permitted at = CIPAFilter? Mark On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 5:01 PM, David Hinkle = wrote: > We're only talking about the December meeting. Our conference room = here at > CIPAFilter is going to be renovated on the 2nd Tuesday of December. > > For those that want to know where CIPAFilter is at, here's a map link. > > = http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=3DUTF8&t=3Dh&msa=3D0&msid=3D10563043444= 4674376988.00045c6333ff33f8feb3b&ll=3D41.514695,-90.444732&spn=3D0.00333,= 0.008261&z=3D18 _______________________________________________ QCLUG mailing list QCLUG@qclug.org http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/70535733/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From volunteer.jim@gmail.com Tue Nov 25 19:42:29 2008 From: volunteer.jim@gmail.com (Jim Hall) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:42:29 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Permanent meeting location change Message-ID: <997c8c1b0811251142tf8d5a18ycdd79975c900014f@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment This not about the December meeting. Whatever the majority of the group decides is fine with me. This is about a possible permanent change of location. I believe someone got no joy at the local libraries, so I did some checking of my own. The Mac group (QCMUG) meets at the Bettendorf Library on the 3rd Tuesday of the month, so I called the Library. We can meet on the 2nd Tuesday on the same terms, if we want to. Same room reserved every month (except for very occasional library needs, they will try to get us a substitute).. Must reserve for at least 6 months at a time, and do it as early as they will accept. Screen (no projector - supply our own). 6:30-8:30 PM. $5.00 per meeting. (I'm sure we'll need a "tip jar"). This WILL be paid in advance. Coffee Shop by main entrance. We can start as early as the January or February meeting. If we want to rotate among CIPA, Augie, and the Library that can be worked out. BUT, this will require long range planning and scheduling. Doesn't matter if we BS or have an actual program. LAST MINUTE TIME WILL BE OVER! DONE! So, combine all that has been said so far and tell me what to tell the Library. Just for the record, I like the rotation model. Jim ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I believe someone = got no joy at the local libraries, so I did some checking of my own. The Mac group (QCMUG) meets at the Bettendorf Library on the 3rd Tuesday of the month, so I called the Library. We can meet on the 2nd Tuesday on the = same terms, if we want to. Same room reserved every month (except for very occasional library = needs, they will try to get us a substitute).. Must reserve for at least 6 months at a time, and do it as early as = they will accept. Screen (no projector - supply our own). 6:30-8:30 PM. $5.00 per meeting. (I'm sure we'll need a "tip jar"). This WILL be = paid in advance. Coffee Shop by main entrance. We can start as early as the January or February meeting. If we want to rotate among CIPA, Augie, and the Library that can be worked out. BUT, = this will require long range planning and scheduling. Doesn't matter if we BS = or have an actual program. LAST MINUTE TIME WILL BE OVER! DONE! So, combine all that has been said so far and tell me what to tell the Library. Just for the record, I like the rotation model. Jim ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/102be746/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From hinkle@cipafilter.com Tue Nov 25 19:56:41 2008 From: hinkle@cipafilter.com (David Hinkle) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:56:41 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] December Meeting References: <997c8c1b0811251142tf8d5a18ycdd79975c900014f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF1894701C6A2F5@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Well, I'm still not 100% if you guys have all decided to come to = CIPAFilter in December, but I think some of you have decided, so I'll go = ahead and be expecting you on the first Tuesday, Dec 2nd. So anybody = who would like to come see CIPAFilter is welcome. I'll show you around = and give a talk about our technology and some of our business practices = and take questions, etc. Our head of sales and Technical support may = pop in and say hi as well. I'll provide soda's and coffee (Nothing = special, just business coffee, BYOFC (Bring Your Own Fancy Coffee)) and = if you guys would like to bring some snacks feel free to do so. If anybody would like to show anything off, there is a big screen HD TV = in the room, you'll need HDMI to hookup to it. What is your regular meeting time? David ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/f2cf5a46/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From mriedesel@gmail.com Tue Nov 25 20:11:16 2008 From: mriedesel@gmail.com (Mark Riedesel) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:11:16 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] December Meeting In-Reply-To: <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF1894701C6A2F5@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> References: <997c8c1b0811251142tf8d5a18ycdd79975c900014f@mail.gmail.com> <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF1894701C6A2F5@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> Message-ID: <1c9537490811251211h1af4ec8av5d9d7f2923009013@mail.gmail.com> General consensus is positive, so I'll say it. Yes on meeting Dec 2nd at CIPAFilter We usually begin accumulating around 6pm. Mark On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 1:56 PM, David Hinkle wrote: > Well, I'm still not 100% if you guys have all decided to come to CIPAFilter > in December, but I think some of you have decided, so I'll go ahead and be > expecting you on the first Tuesday, Dec 2nd. So anybody who would like to > come see CIPAFilter is welcome. I'll show you around and give a talk about > our technology and some of our business practices and take questions, etc. > Our head of sales and Technical support may pop in and say hi as well. I'll > provide soda's and coffee (Nothing special, just business coffee, BYOFC > (Bring Your Own Fancy Coffee)) and if you guys would like to bring some > snacks feel free to do so. > > If anybody would like to show anything off, there is a big screen HD TV in > the room, you'll need HDMI to hookup to it. > > What is your regular meeting time? > > David From arronlorenz@gmail.com Tue Nov 25 20:16:54 2008 From: arronlorenz@gmail.com (Arron Lorenz) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:16:54 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Linux Tool of the Week - netdiscover In-Reply-To: <44262bfc0811241741rb0337acw1e18a2b883c5a3a5@mail.gmail.com> References: <44262bfc0811241741rb0337acw1e18a2b883c5a3a5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <30cf66b30811251216p300b340ei1e8e8c087797f0dc@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Chris,will you been attending the next meeting a CIPA? Maybe you could do a short presentation about netdiscover. I would be interested in seeing it in operation. Arron On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Dave Bergert wrote: > Cool: > > I was not famialar with netdiscover: You can also do an apr scan with > nmap: http://nmap.org/ > > nmap -PR > > but it looks like netdiscover gives a little more detail on NIC type/etc > > I've also used arpwatch: ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arpwatch ) in the > past to detect when a new device is plugged into the LAN, it can even email > an alert. - here is a simple how-to > http://24h.atspace.com/it/security/arpwatch.htm > > > DB > > > > On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Chris Cooper wrote: > >> netdiscover - ARP based network resolution tool.Protocol >> http://nixgeneration.com/~jaime/netdiscover/ >> >> This week's highlight I found just over a year ago, and it quickly >> became one of my favorites. Netdiscover is a network scanner that >> finds all of the IP's in use on the local segment. Because it uses >> ARP, it is only able to scan the local ethernet segment, however, >> using arp gives it a couple advantages over traditional tools like >> nmap. >> >> The first advantage is that it can scan for firewalled devices that >> don't respond to ping requests. Even if a machine is set to drop all >> TCP/IP traffic, it will still respond to basic ARP requests. This is >> a requirement of the IPv4 specification to try to prevent IP address >> conflicts. For those that want to know a little more about ARP, >> Wikipedia has an excellent article here: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_Resolution_Protocol >> >> The second advantage netdiscover has is that it does not need an >> address within the subnet it is trying to scan. It can quickly skip >> from subnet to subnet, scanning everything in between. This is useful >> when you are looking for a device with an unknown address. Take, for >> example, a wireless access point. Since the AP acts as a bridge, it >> doesn't need an IP address on the network to do its job, but the IP is >> required to reconfigure the device. Netdiscover is an easy way to >> track down the IP of the switch, even if it is outside the local >> subnet. >> >> Finally, it can show you if any IP address conflicts exist. In it's >> output, it provides the MAC address from each response and >> cross-references it with the OUI list. This gives you a fair idea of >> what type of device you are looking for. >> >> A final word of note, I have noticed that at full speed, netdiscover >> tends to occasionally miss devices, especially on large networks or >> networks with wireless segments. When scanning multiple subnets, i >> will typically leave the speed at default, but once I am targeting a >> specific subnet, I will typically use -s 10 or -s 50 to increase the >> wait between requests to 10-50ms (the default is 1ms). >> For example: "netdiscover -i eth0 -r 192.168.1.0/24 -s 50" >> >> -Cooper >> _______________________________________________ >> QCLUG mailing list >> QCLUG@qclug.org >> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug >> > > -- From: Arron James Lorenz Reel to Reel Drive In http://www.DavenportDriveIn.com 563-579-7046 ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/a99bb39e/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From QCAdmin@gmail.com Tue Nov 25 20:46:37 2008 From: QCAdmin@gmail.com (Chris Cooper) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:46:37 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Linux Tool of the Week - netdiscover In-Reply-To: <30cf66b30811251216p300b340ei1e8e8c087797f0dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <44262bfc0811241741rb0337acw1e18a2b883c5a3a5@mail.gmail.com> <30cf66b30811251216p300b340ei1e8e8c087797f0dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Out of respect for our host's network, I will politely decline. Network scans on private networks and all.... On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Arron Lorenz wrote: > Chris, > will you been attending the next meeting a CIPA? Maybe you could do a short > presentation about netdiscover. I would be interested in seeing it in > operation. > Arron > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Dave Bergert wrote: >> >> Cool: >> >> I was not famialar with netdiscover: You can also do an apr scan with >> nmap: http://nmap.org/ >> >> nmap -PR >> >> but it looks like netdiscover gives a little more detail on NIC type/etc >> >> I've also used arpwatch: ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arpwatch ) in the >> past to detect when a new device is plugged into the LAN, it can even email >> an alert. - here is a simple how-to >> http://24h.atspace.com/it/security/arpwatch.htm >> >> >> DB >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Chris Cooper wrote: >>> >>> netdiscover - ARP based network resolution tool.Protocol >>> http://nixgeneration.com/~jaime/netdiscover/ >>> >>> This week's highlight I found just over a year ago, and it quickly >>> became one of my favorites. Netdiscover is a network scanner that >>> finds all of the IP's in use on the local segment. Because it uses >>> ARP, it is only able to scan the local ethernet segment, however, >>> using arp gives it a couple advantages over traditional tools like >>> nmap. >>> >>> The first advantage is that it can scan for firewalled devices that >>> don't respond to ping requests. Even if a machine is set to drop all >>> TCP/IP traffic, it will still respond to basic ARP requests. This is >>> a requirement of the IPv4 specification to try to prevent IP address >>> conflicts. For those that want to know a little more about ARP, >>> Wikipedia has an excellent article here: >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_Resolution_Protocol >>> >>> The second advantage netdiscover has is that it does not need an >>> address within the subnet it is trying to scan. It can quickly skip >>> from subnet to subnet, scanning everything in between. This is useful >>> when you are looking for a device with an unknown address. Take, for >>> example, a wireless access point. Since the AP acts as a bridge, it >>> doesn't need an IP address on the network to do its job, but the IP is >>> required to reconfigure the device. Netdiscover is an easy way to >>> track down the IP of the switch, even if it is outside the local >>> subnet. >>> >>> Finally, it can show you if any IP address conflicts exist. In it's >>> output, it provides the MAC address from each response and >>> cross-references it with the OUI list. This gives you a fair idea of >>> what type of device you are looking for. >>> >>> A final word of note, I have noticed that at full speed, netdiscover >>> tends to occasionally miss devices, especially on large networks or >>> networks with wireless segments. When scanning multiple subnets, i >>> will typically leave the speed at default, but once I am targeting a >>> specific subnet, I will typically use -s 10 or -s 50 to increase the >>> wait between requests to 10-50ms (the default is 1ms). >>> For example: "netdiscover -i eth0 -r 192.168.1.0/24 -s 50" >>> >>> -Cooper >>> _______________________________________________ >>> QCLUG mailing list >>> QCLUG@qclug.org >>> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug >> > > > > -- > From: > Arron James Lorenz > Reel to Reel Drive In > http://www.DavenportDriveIn.com > 563-579-7046 > From QCAdmin@gmail.com Tue Nov 25 20:48:59 2008 From: QCAdmin@gmail.com (Chris Cooper) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:48:59 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Permanent meeting location change In-Reply-To: <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF1894701C6A2F4@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> References: <997c8c1b0811251142tf8d5a18ycdd79975c900014f@mail.gmail.com> <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF1894701C6A2F4@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> Message-ID: How about we try one or two at CIPA, then one or two at Augy and discuss it after we have seen what both places have to offer, and which works out best for everyone. Cooper On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 1:49 PM, David Hinkle wrote: > I think you guys should elect a president :) > > David > > > -----Original Message----- > From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org on behalf of Jim Hall > Sent: Tue 11/25/2008 1:42 PM > To: qclug > Subject: [QCLUG] Permanent meeting location change > > This not about the December meeting. Whatever the majority of the group > decides is fine with me. > > This is about a possible permanent change of location. I believe someone got > no joy at the local libraries, so I did some checking of my own. The Mac > group (QCMUG) meets at the Bettendorf Library on the 3rd Tuesday of the > month, so I called the Library. We can meet on the 2nd Tuesday on the same > terms, if we want to. > Same room reserved every month (except for very occasional library needs, > they will try to get us a substitute).. > Must reserve for at least 6 months at a time, and do it as early as they > will accept. > Screen (no projector - supply our own). > 6:30-8:30 PM. > $5.00 per meeting. (I'm sure we'll need a "tip jar"). This WILL be paid > in advance. > Coffee Shop by main entrance. > > > We can start as early as the January or February meeting. If we want to > rotate among CIPA, Augie, and the Library that can be worked out. BUT, this > will require long range planning and scheduling. Doesn't matter if we BS or > have an actual program. LAST MINUTE TIME WILL BE OVER! DONE! > > So, combine all that has been said so far and tell me what to tell the > Library. > > Just for the record, I like the rotation model. > > > Jim > > From hinkle@cipafilter.com Tue Nov 25 20:49:42 2008 From: hinkle@cipafilter.com (David Hinkle) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:49:42 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Linux Tool of the Week - netdiscover References: <44262bfc0811241741rb0337acw1e18a2b883c5a3a5@mail.gmail.com><30cf66b30811251216p300b340ei1e8e8c087797f0dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF1894701C6A2F8@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment That's ok, you can scan us. I'll be on hand to make sure you don't = wreak any havok. I can take a few minutes to talk about nmap as well. David -----Original Message----- From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org on behalf of Chris Cooper Sent: Tue 11/25/2008 2:46 PM To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: Re: [QCLUG] Linux Tool of the Week - netdiscover =20 Out of respect for our host's network, I will politely decline. Network scans on private networks and all.... On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Arron Lorenz = wrote: > Chris, > will you been attending the next meeting a CIPA? Maybe you could do a = short > presentation about netdiscover. I would be interested in seeing it in > operation. > Arron > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Dave Bergert = wrote: >> >> Cool: >> >> I was not famialar with netdiscover: You can also do an apr scan = with >> nmap: http://nmap.org/ >> >> nmap -PR >> >> but it looks like netdiscover gives a little more detail on NIC = type/etc >> >> I've also used arpwatch: ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arpwatch ) = in the >> past to detect when a new device is plugged into the LAN, it can even = email >> an alert. - here is a simple how-to >> http://24h.atspace.com/it/security/arpwatch.htm >> >> >> DB >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Chris Cooper = wrote: >>> >>> netdiscover - ARP based network resolution tool.Protocol >>> http://nixgeneration.com/~jaime/netdiscover/ >>> >>> This week's highlight I found just over a year ago, and it quickly >>> became one of my favorites. Netdiscover is a network scanner that >>> finds all of the IP's in use on the local segment. Because it uses >>> ARP, it is only able to scan the local ethernet segment, however, >>> using arp gives it a couple advantages over traditional tools like >>> nmap. >>> >>> The first advantage is that it can scan for firewalled devices that >>> don't respond to ping requests. Even if a machine is set to drop = all >>> TCP/IP traffic, it will still respond to basic ARP requests. This = is >>> a requirement of the IPv4 specification to try to prevent IP address >>> conflicts. For those that want to know a little more about ARP, >>> Wikipedia has an excellent article here: >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_Resolution_Protocol >>> >>> The second advantage netdiscover has is that it does not need an >>> address within the subnet it is trying to scan. It can quickly skip >>> from subnet to subnet, scanning everything in between. This is = useful >>> when you are looking for a device with an unknown address. Take, = for >>> example, a wireless access point. Since the AP acts as a bridge, it >>> doesn't need an IP address on the network to do its job, but the IP = is >>> required to reconfigure the device. Netdiscover is an easy way to >>> track down the IP of the switch, even if it is outside the local >>> subnet. >>> >>> Finally, it can show you if any IP address conflicts exist. In it's >>> output, it provides the MAC address from each response and >>> cross-references it with the OUI list. This gives you a fair idea = of >>> what type of device you are looking for. >>> >>> A final word of note, I have noticed that at full speed, netdiscover >>> tends to occasionally miss devices, especially on large networks or >>> networks with wireless segments. When scanning multiple subnets, i >>> will typically leave the speed at default, but once I am targeting a >>> specific subnet, I will typically use -s 10 or -s 50 to increase the >>> wait between requests to 10-50ms (the default is 1ms). >>> For example: "netdiscover -i eth0 -r 192.168.1.0/24 -s 50" >>> >>> -Cooper >>> _______________________________________________ >>> QCLUG mailing list >>> QCLUG@qclug.org >>> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug >> > > > > -- > From: > Arron James Lorenz > Reel to Reel Drive In > http://www.DavenportDriveIn.com > 563-579-7046 > _______________________________________________ QCLUG mailing list QCLUG@qclug.org http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/933ddcc0/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From arronlorenz@gmail.com Tue Nov 25 20:59:31 2008 From: arronlorenz@gmail.com (Arron Lorenz) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:59:31 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Linux Tool of the Week - netdiscover In-Reply-To: <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF1894701C6A2F8@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> References: <44262bfc0811241741rb0337acw1e18a2b883c5a3a5@mail.gmail.com> <30cf66b30811251216p300b340ei1e8e8c087797f0dc@mail.gmail.com> <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF1894701C6A2F8@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> Message-ID: <30cf66b30811251259o61ee62fdm12554a081d73375d@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Well yes but that doesn't mean we can bring a switch and two laptops? Or does it? On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 2:49 PM, David Hinkle wrote: > That's ok, you can scan us. I'll be on hand to make sure you don't wreak > any havok. I can take a few minutes to talk about nmap as well. > > David > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org on behalf of Chris Cooper > Sent: Tue 11/25/2008 2:46 PM > To: qclug@qclug.org > Subject: Re: [QCLUG] Linux Tool of the Week - netdiscover > > Out of respect for our host's network, I will politely decline. > Network scans on private networks and all.... > > On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Arron Lorenz > wrote: > > Chris, > > will you been attending the next meeting a CIPA? Maybe you could do a > short > > presentation about netdiscover. I would be interested in seeing it in > > operation. > > Arron > > > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Dave Bergert > wrote: > >> > >> Cool: > >> > >> I was not famialar with netdiscover: You can also do an apr scan with > >> nmap: http://nmap.org/ > >> > >> nmap -PR > >> > >> but it looks like netdiscover gives a little more detail on NIC type/etc > >> > >> I've also used arpwatch: ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arpwatch ) in > the > >> past to detect when a new device is plugged into the LAN, it can even > email > >> an alert. - here is a simple how-to > >> http://24h.atspace.com/it/security/arpwatch.htm > >> > >> > >> DB > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Chris Cooper > wrote: > >>> > >>> netdiscover - ARP based network resolution tool.Protocol > >>> http://nixgeneration.com/~jaime/netdiscover/ > >>> > >>> This week's highlight I found just over a year ago, and it quickly > >>> became one of my favorites. Netdiscover is a network scanner that > >>> finds all of the IP's in use on the local segment. Because it uses > >>> ARP, it is only able to scan the local ethernet segment, however, > >>> using arp gives it a couple advantages over traditional tools like > >>> nmap. > >>> > >>> The first advantage is that it can scan for firewalled devices that > >>> don't respond to ping requests. Even if a machine is set to drop all > >>> TCP/IP traffic, it will still respond to basic ARP requests. This is > >>> a requirement of the IPv4 specification to try to prevent IP address > >>> conflicts. For those that want to know a little more about ARP, > >>> Wikipedia has an excellent article here: > >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_Resolution_Protocol > >>> > >>> The second advantage netdiscover has is that it does not need an > >>> address within the subnet it is trying to scan. It can quickly skip > >>> from subnet to subnet, scanning everything in between. This is useful > >>> when you are looking for a device with an unknown address. Take, for > >>> example, a wireless access point. Since the AP acts as a bridge, it > >>> doesn't need an IP address on the network to do its job, but the IP is > >>> required to reconfigure the device. Netdiscover is an easy way to > >>> track down the IP of the switch, even if it is outside the local > >>> subnet. > >>> > >>> Finally, it can show you if any IP address conflicts exist. In it's > >>> output, it provides the MAC address from each response and > >>> cross-references it with the OUI list. This gives you a fair idea of > >>> what type of device you are looking for. > >>> > >>> A final word of note, I have noticed that at full speed, netdiscover > >>> tends to occasionally miss devices, especially on large networks or > >>> networks with wireless segments. When scanning multiple subnets, i > >>> will typically leave the speed at default, but once I am targeting a > >>> specific subnet, I will typically use -s 10 or -s 50 to increase the > >>> wait between requests to 10-50ms (the default is 1ms). > >>> For example: "netdiscover -i eth0 -r 192.168.1.0/24 -s 50" > >>> > >>> -Cooper > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> QCLUG mailing list > >>> QCLUG@qclug.org > >>> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > From: > > Arron James Lorenz > > Reel to Reel Drive In > > http://www.DavenportDriveIn.com > > 563-579-7046 > > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > -- From: Arron James Lorenz Reel to Reel Drive In http://www.DavenportDriveIn.com 563-579-7046 ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/167825b2/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From hinkle@cipafilter.com Tue Nov 25 21:01:13 2008 From: hinkle@cipafilter.com (David Hinkle) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:01:13 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Linux Tool of the Week - netdiscover References: <44262bfc0811241741rb0337acw1e18a2b883c5a3a5@mail.gmail.com><30cf66b30811251216p300b340ei1e8e8c087797f0dc@mail.gmail.com><41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF1894701C6A2F8@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> <30cf66b30811251259o61ee62fdm12554a081d73375d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF1894701C6A2FA@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment You can bring whatever you want, just let me in on your plans before you = execute them. =20 David -----Original Message----- From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org on behalf of Arron Lorenz Sent: Tue 11/25/2008 2:59 PM To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: Re: [QCLUG] Linux Tool of the Week - netdiscover =20 Well yes but that doesn't mean we can bring a switch and two laptops? Or does it? On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 2:49 PM, David Hinkle = wrote: > That's ok, you can scan us. I'll be on hand to make sure you don't = wreak > any havok. I can take a few minutes to talk about nmap as well. > > David > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org on behalf of Chris Cooper > Sent: Tue 11/25/2008 2:46 PM > To: qclug@qclug.org > Subject: Re: [QCLUG] Linux Tool of the Week - netdiscover > > Out of respect for our host's network, I will politely decline. > Network scans on private networks and all.... > > On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Arron Lorenz > wrote: > > Chris, > > will you been attending the next meeting a CIPA? Maybe you could do = a > short > > presentation about netdiscover. I would be interested in seeing it = in > > operation. > > Arron > > > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Dave Bergert > wrote: > >> > >> Cool: > >> > >> I was not famialar with netdiscover: You can also do an apr scan = with > >> nmap: http://nmap.org/ > >> > >> nmap -PR > >> > >> but it looks like netdiscover gives a little more detail on NIC = type/etc > >> > >> I've also used arpwatch: ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arpwatch ) = in > the > >> past to detect when a new device is plugged into the LAN, it can = even > email > >> an alert. - here is a simple how-to > >> http://24h.atspace.com/it/security/arpwatch.htm > >> > >> > >> DB > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Chris Cooper > wrote: > >>> > >>> netdiscover - ARP based network resolution tool.Protocol > >>> http://nixgeneration.com/~jaime/netdiscover/ > >>> > >>> This week's highlight I found just over a year ago, and it quickly > >>> became one of my favorites. Netdiscover is a network scanner that > >>> finds all of the IP's in use on the local segment. Because it = uses > >>> ARP, it is only able to scan the local ethernet segment, however, > >>> using arp gives it a couple advantages over traditional tools like > >>> nmap. > >>> > >>> The first advantage is that it can scan for firewalled devices = that > >>> don't respond to ping requests. Even if a machine is set to drop = all > >>> TCP/IP traffic, it will still respond to basic ARP requests. This = is > >>> a requirement of the IPv4 specification to try to prevent IP = address > >>> conflicts. For those that want to know a little more about ARP, > >>> Wikipedia has an excellent article here: > >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_Resolution_Protocol > >>> > >>> The second advantage netdiscover has is that it does not need an > >>> address within the subnet it is trying to scan. It can quickly = skip > >>> from subnet to subnet, scanning everything in between. This is = useful > >>> when you are looking for a device with an unknown address. Take, = for > >>> example, a wireless access point. Since the AP acts as a bridge, = it > >>> doesn't need an IP address on the network to do its job, but the = IP is > >>> required to reconfigure the device. Netdiscover is an easy way to > >>> track down the IP of the switch, even if it is outside the local > >>> subnet. > >>> > >>> Finally, it can show you if any IP address conflicts exist. In = it's > >>> output, it provides the MAC address from each response and > >>> cross-references it with the OUI list. This gives you a fair idea = of > >>> what type of device you are looking for. > >>> > >>> A final word of note, I have noticed that at full speed, = netdiscover > >>> tends to occasionally miss devices, especially on large networks = or > >>> networks with wireless segments. When scanning multiple subnets, = i > >>> will typically leave the speed at default, but once I am targeting = a > >>> specific subnet, I will typically use -s 10 or -s 50 to increase = the > >>> wait between requests to 10-50ms (the default is 1ms). > >>> For example: "netdiscover -i eth0 -r 192.168.1.0/24 -s 50" > >>> > >>> -Cooper > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> QCLUG mailing list > >>> QCLUG@qclug.org > >>> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > From: > > Arron James Lorenz > > Reel to Reel Drive In > > http://www.DavenportDriveIn.com > > 563-579-7046 > > > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > --=20 From: Arron James Lorenz Reel to Reel Drive In http://www.DavenportDriveIn.com 563-579-7046 ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/f6b3ad6e/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From jmkris@gmail.com Tue Nov 25 21:02:45 2008 From: jmkris@gmail.com (Jim Kristan) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:02:45 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Permanent meeting location change In-Reply-To: References: <997c8c1b0811251142tf8d5a18ycdd79975c900014f@mail.gmail.com> <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF1894701C6A2F4@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> Message-ID: Sounds like a good idea Chris, this is a good problem to have. Jim Kristan On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Chris Cooper wrote: > How about we try one or two at CIPA, then one or two at Augy and > discuss it after we have seen what both places have to offer, and > which works out best for everyone. > > Cooper > > On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 1:49 PM, David Hinkle wrote: >> I think you guys should elect a president :) >> >> David >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org on behalf of Jim Hall >> Sent: Tue 11/25/2008 1:42 PM >> To: qclug >> Subject: [QCLUG] Permanent meeting location change >> >> This not about the December meeting. Whatever the majority of the group >> decides is fine with me. >> >> This is about a possible permanent change of location. I believe someone got >> no joy at the local libraries, so I did some checking of my own. The Mac >> group (QCMUG) meets at the Bettendorf Library on the 3rd Tuesday of the >> month, so I called the Library. We can meet on the 2nd Tuesday on the same >> terms, if we want to. >> Same room reserved every month (except for very occasional library needs, >> they will try to get us a substitute).. >> Must reserve for at least 6 months at a time, and do it as early as they >> will accept. >> Screen (no projector - supply our own). >> 6:30-8:30 PM. >> $5.00 per meeting. (I'm sure we'll need a "tip jar"). This WILL be paid >> in advance. >> Coffee Shop by main entrance. >> >> >> We can start as early as the January or February meeting. If we want to >> rotate among CIPA, Augie, and the Library that can be worked out. BUT, this >> will require long range planning and scheduling. Doesn't matter if we BS or >> have an actual program. LAST MINUTE TIME WILL BE OVER! DONE! >> >> So, combine all that has been said so far and tell me what to tell the >> Library. >> >> Just for the record, I like the rotation model. >> >> >> Jim >> >> > _______________________________________________ > QCLUG mailing list > QCLUG@qclug.org > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > From arronlorenz@gmail.com Tue Nov 25 21:17:21 2008 From: arronlorenz@gmail.com (Arron Lorenz) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:17:21 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Linux Tool of the Week - netdiscover In-Reply-To: <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF1894701C6A2FA@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> References: <44262bfc0811241741rb0337acw1e18a2b883c5a3a5@mail.gmail.com> <30cf66b30811251216p300b340ei1e8e8c087797f0dc@mail.gmail.com> <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF1894701C6A2F8@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> <30cf66b30811251259o61ee62fdm12554a081d73375d@mail.gmail.com> <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF1894701C6A2FA@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> Message-ID: <30cf66b30811251317u27287dd7g259b010fa2fdca1e@mail.gmail.com> ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment It would be interesting to the see the comparison. I do enjoy nmap but that is just because it's good for everything! I also know that netdiscover has come in really handy a few times. Mostly because it's quick and easy. On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 3:01 PM, David Hinkle wrote: > You can bring whatever you want, just let me in on your plans before you > execute them. > > David > > > -----Original Message----- > From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org on behalf of Arron Lorenz > Sent: Tue 11/25/2008 2:59 PM > To: qclug@qclug.org > Subject: Re: [QCLUG] Linux Tool of the Week - netdiscover > > Well yes but that doesn't mean we can bring a switch and two laptops? Or > does it? > > On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 2:49 PM, David Hinkle > wrote: > > > That's ok, you can scan us. I'll be on hand to make sure you don't > wreak > > any havok. I can take a few minutes to talk about nmap as well. > > > > David > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org on behalf of Chris Cooper > > Sent: Tue 11/25/2008 2:46 PM > > To: qclug@qclug.org > > Subject: Re: [QCLUG] Linux Tool of the Week - netdiscover > > > > Out of respect for our host's network, I will politely decline. > > Network scans on private networks and all.... > > > > On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Arron Lorenz > > wrote: > > > Chris, > > > will you been attending the next meeting a CIPA? Maybe you could do a > > short > > > presentation about netdiscover. I would be interested in seeing it in > > > operation. > > > Arron > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Dave Bergert > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Cool: > > >> > > >> I was not famialar with netdiscover: You can also do an apr scan > with > > >> nmap: http://nmap.org/ > > >> > > >> nmap -PR > > >> > > >> but it looks like netdiscover gives a little more detail on NIC > type/etc > > >> > > >> I've also used arpwatch: ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arpwatch ) > in > > the > > >> past to detect when a new device is plugged into the LAN, it can even > > email > > >> an alert. - here is a simple how-to > > >> http://24h.atspace.com/it/security/arpwatch.htm > > >> > > >> > > >> DB > > >> > > >> > > >> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Chris Cooper > > wrote: > > >>> > > >>> netdiscover - ARP based network resolution tool.Protocol > > >>> http://nixgeneration.com/~jaime/netdiscover/ > > >>> > > >>> This week's highlight I found just over a year ago, and it quickly > > >>> became one of my favorites. Netdiscover is a network scanner that > > >>> finds all of the IP's in use on the local segment. Because it uses > > >>> ARP, it is only able to scan the local ethernet segment, however, > > >>> using arp gives it a couple advantages over traditional tools like > > >>> nmap. > > >>> > > >>> The first advantage is that it can scan for firewalled devices that > > >>> don't respond to ping requests. Even if a machine is set to drop all > > >>> TCP/IP traffic, it will still respond to basic ARP requests. This is > > >>> a requirement of the IPv4 specification to try to prevent IP address > > >>> conflicts. For those that want to know a little more about ARP, > > >>> Wikipedia has an excellent article here: > > >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_Resolution_Protocol > > >>> > > >>> The second advantage netdiscover has is that it does not need an > > >>> address within the subnet it is trying to scan. It can quickly skip > > >>> from subnet to subnet, scanning everything in between. This is > useful > > >>> when you are looking for a device with an unknown address. Take, for > > >>> example, a wireless access point. Since the AP acts as a bridge, it > > >>> doesn't need an IP address on the network to do its job, but the IP > is > > >>> required to reconfigure the device. Netdiscover is an easy way to > > >>> track down the IP of the switch, even if it is outside the local > > >>> subnet. > > >>> > > >>> Finally, it can show you if any IP address conflicts exist. In it's > > >>> output, it provides the MAC address from each response and > > >>> cross-references it with the OUI list. This gives you a fair idea of > > >>> what type of device you are looking for. > > >>> > > >>> A final word of note, I have noticed that at full speed, netdiscover > > >>> tends to occasionally miss devices, especially on large networks or > > >>> networks with wireless segments. When scanning multiple subnets, i > > >>> will typically leave the speed at default, but once I am targeting a > > >>> specific subnet, I will typically use -s 10 or -s 50 to increase the > > >>> wait between requests to 10-50ms (the default is 1ms). > > >>> For example: "netdiscover -i eth0 -r 192.168.1.0/24 -s 50" > > >>> > > >>> -Cooper > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> QCLUG mailing list > > >>> QCLUG@qclug.org > > >>> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > From: > > > Arron James Lorenz > > > Reel to Reel Drive In > > > http://www.DavenportDriveIn.com > > > 563-579-7046 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > QCLUG mailing list > > QCLUG@qclug.org > > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug > > > > > > > -- > From: > Arron James Lorenz > Reel to Reel Drive In > http://www.DavenportDriveIn.com > 563-579-7046 > > -- From: Arron James Lorenz Reel to Reel Drive In http://www.DavenportDriveIn.com 563-579-7046 ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/88c7a8df/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From QCAdmin@gmail.com Tue Nov 25 21:32:33 2008 From: QCAdmin@gmail.com (Chris Cooper) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:32:33 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Linux Tool of the Week - netdiscover In-Reply-To: <30cf66b30811251317u27287dd7g259b010fa2fdca1e@mail.gmail.com> References: <44262bfc0811241741rb0337acw1e18a2b883c5a3a5@mail.gmail.com> <30cf66b30811251216p300b340ei1e8e8c087797f0dc@mail.gmail.com> <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF1894701C6A2F8@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> <30cf66b30811251259o61ee62fdm12554a081d73375d@mail.gmail.com> <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF1894701C6A2FA@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> <30cf66b30811251317u27287dd7g259b010fa2fdca1e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Doing a little reading on nmap -PR. It requires you to have an IP address, and only works on hosts in the local subnet of your interface. netdiscover will scan any range you want, regardless of what your ip address is. (I ususally have mine set to 0.0.0.0 when I start scanning). I have used this multiple times to find an available IP on a network without DHCP. On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 3:17 PM, Arron Lorenz wrote: > It would be interesting to the see the comparison. I do enjoy nmap but that > is just because it's good for everything! I also know that netdiscover has > come in really handy a few times. Mostly because it's quick and easy. > > On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 3:01 PM, David Hinkle wrote: >> >> You can bring whatever you want, just let me in on your plans before you >> execute them. >> >> David >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org on behalf of Arron Lorenz >> Sent: Tue 11/25/2008 2:59 PM >> To: qclug@qclug.org >> Subject: Re: [QCLUG] Linux Tool of the Week - netdiscover >> >> Well yes but that doesn't mean we can bring a switch and two laptops? Or >> does it? >> >> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 2:49 PM, David Hinkle >> wrote: >> >> > That's ok, you can scan us. I'll be on hand to make sure you don't >> > wreak >> > any havok. I can take a few minutes to talk about nmap as well. >> > >> > David >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org on behalf of Chris Cooper >> > Sent: Tue 11/25/2008 2:46 PM >> > To: qclug@qclug.org >> > Subject: Re: [QCLUG] Linux Tool of the Week - netdiscover >> > >> > Out of respect for our host's network, I will politely decline. >> > Network scans on private networks and all.... >> > >> > On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Arron Lorenz >> > wrote: >> > > Chris, >> > > will you been attending the next meeting a CIPA? Maybe you could do a >> > short >> > > presentation about netdiscover. I would be interested in seeing it in >> > > operation. >> > > Arron >> > > >> > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Dave Bergert >> > wrote: >> > >> >> > >> Cool: >> > >> >> > >> I was not famialar with netdiscover: You can also do an apr scan >> > >> with >> > >> nmap: http://nmap.org/ >> > >> >> > >> nmap -PR >> > >> >> > >> but it looks like netdiscover gives a little more detail on NIC >> > >> type/etc >> > >> >> > >> I've also used arpwatch: ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arpwatch ) >> > >> in >> > the >> > >> past to detect when a new device is plugged into the LAN, it can even >> > email >> > >> an alert. - here is a simple how-to >> > >> http://24h.atspace.com/it/security/arpwatch.htm >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> DB >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Chris Cooper >> > wrote: >> > >>> >> > >>> netdiscover - ARP based network resolution tool.Protocol >> > >>> http://nixgeneration.com/~jaime/netdiscover/ >> > >>> >> > >>> This week's highlight I found just over a year ago, and it quickly >> > >>> became one of my favorites. Netdiscover is a network scanner that >> > >>> finds all of the IP's in use on the local segment. Because it uses >> > >>> ARP, it is only able to scan the local ethernet segment, however, >> > >>> using arp gives it a couple advantages over traditional tools like >> > >>> nmap. >> > >>> >> > >>> The first advantage is that it can scan for firewalled devices that >> > >>> don't respond to ping requests. Even if a machine is set to drop >> > >>> all >> > >>> TCP/IP traffic, it will still respond to basic ARP requests. This >> > >>> is >> > >>> a requirement of the IPv4 specification to try to prevent IP address >> > >>> conflicts. For those that want to know a little more about ARP, >> > >>> Wikipedia has an excellent article here: >> > >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_Resolution_Protocol >> > >>> >> > >>> The second advantage netdiscover has is that it does not need an >> > >>> address within the subnet it is trying to scan. It can quickly skip >> > >>> from subnet to subnet, scanning everything in between. This is >> > >>> useful >> > >>> when you are looking for a device with an unknown address. Take, >> > >>> for >> > >>> example, a wireless access point. Since the AP acts as a bridge, it >> > >>> doesn't need an IP address on the network to do its job, but the IP >> > >>> is >> > >>> required to reconfigure the device. Netdiscover is an easy way to >> > >>> track down the IP of the switch, even if it is outside the local >> > >>> subnet. >> > >>> >> > >>> Finally, it can show you if any IP address conflicts exist. In it's >> > >>> output, it provides the MAC address from each response and >> > >>> cross-references it with the OUI list. This gives you a fair idea >> > >>> of >> > >>> what type of device you are looking for. >> > >>> >> > >>> A final word of note, I have noticed that at full speed, netdiscover >> > >>> tends to occasionally miss devices, especially on large networks or >> > >>> networks with wireless segments. When scanning multiple subnets, i >> > >>> will typically leave the speed at default, but once I am targeting a >> > >>> specific subnet, I will typically use -s 10 or -s 50 to increase the >> > >>> wait between requests to 10-50ms (the default is 1ms). >> > >>> For example: "netdiscover -i eth0 -r 192.168.1.0/24 -s 50" >> > >>> >> > >>> -Cooper >> > >>> _______________________________________________ >> > >>> QCLUG mailing list >> > >>> QCLUG@qclug.org >> > >>> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > From: >> > > Arron James Lorenz >> > > Reel to Reel Drive In >> > > http://www.DavenportDriveIn.com >> > > 563-579-7046 >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > QCLUG mailing list >> > QCLUG@qclug.org >> > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> From: >> Arron James Lorenz >> Reel to Reel Drive In >> http://www.DavenportDriveIn.com >> 563-579-7046 >> > > > > -- > From: > Arron James Lorenz > Reel to Reel Drive In > http://www.DavenportDriveIn.com > 563-579-7046 > From hinkle@cipafilter.com Tue Nov 25 21:45:02 2008 From: hinkle@cipafilter.com (David Hinkle) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:45:02 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Linux Tool of the Week - netdiscover References: <44262bfc0811241741rb0337acw1e18a2b883c5a3a5@mail.gmail.com><30cf66b30811251216p300b340ei1e8e8c087797f0dc@mail.gmail.com><41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF1894701C6A2F8@cipapdc.cipafilter.com><30cf66b30811251259o61ee62fdm12554a081d73375d@mail.gmail.com><41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF1894701C6A2FA@cipapdc.cipafilter.com><30cf66b30811251317u27287dd7g259b010fa2fdca1e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41CAB934FDE0DA4392781E79BDF1894701C6A2FC@cipapdc.cipafilter.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Very sneaky. Remind me to make sure you guys are patched OUTSIDE the = firewall. :) David -----Original Message----- From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org on behalf of Chris Cooper Sent: Tue 11/25/2008 3:32 PM To: qclug@qclug.org Subject: Re: [QCLUG] Linux Tool of the Week - netdiscover =20 Doing a little reading on nmap -PR. It requires you to have an IP address, and only works on hosts in the local subnet of your interface. netdiscover will scan any range you want, regardless of what your ip address is. (I ususally have mine set to 0.0.0.0 when I start scanning). I have used this multiple times to find an available IP on a network without DHCP. On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 3:17 PM, Arron Lorenz = wrote: > It would be interesting to the see the comparison. I do enjoy nmap but = that > is just because it's good for everything! I also know that netdiscover = has > come in really handy a few times. Mostly because it's quick and easy. > > On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 3:01 PM, David Hinkle = wrote: >> >> You can bring whatever you want, just let me in on your plans before = you >> execute them. >> >> David >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org on behalf of Arron Lorenz >> Sent: Tue 11/25/2008 2:59 PM >> To: qclug@qclug.org >> Subject: Re: [QCLUG] Linux Tool of the Week - netdiscover >> >> Well yes but that doesn't mean we can bring a switch and two laptops? = Or >> does it? >> >> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 2:49 PM, David Hinkle >> wrote: >> >> > That's ok, you can scan us. I'll be on hand to make sure you = don't >> > wreak >> > any havok. I can take a few minutes to talk about nmap as well. >> > >> > David >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: qclug-bounces@qclug.org on behalf of Chris Cooper >> > Sent: Tue 11/25/2008 2:46 PM >> > To: qclug@qclug.org >> > Subject: Re: [QCLUG] Linux Tool of the Week - netdiscover >> > >> > Out of respect for our host's network, I will politely decline. >> > Network scans on private networks and all.... >> > >> > On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Arron Lorenz = >> > wrote: >> > > Chris, >> > > will you been attending the next meeting a CIPA? Maybe you could = do a >> > short >> > > presentation about netdiscover. I would be interested in seeing = it in >> > > operation. >> > > Arron >> > > >> > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Dave Bergert = >> > wrote: >> > >> >> > >> Cool: >> > >> >> > >> I was not famialar with netdiscover: You can also do an apr = scan >> > >> with >> > >> nmap: http://nmap.org/ >> > >> >> > >> nmap -PR >> > >> >> > >> but it looks like netdiscover gives a little more detail on NIC >> > >> type/etc >> > >> >> > >> I've also used arpwatch: ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arpwatch = ) >> > >> in >> > the >> > >> past to detect when a new device is plugged into the LAN, it can = even >> > email >> > >> an alert. - here is a simple how-to >> > >> http://24h.atspace.com/it/security/arpwatch.htm >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> DB >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Chris Cooper = >> > wrote: >> > >>> >> > >>> netdiscover - ARP based network resolution tool.Protocol >> > >>> http://nixgeneration.com/~jaime/netdiscover/ >> > >>> >> > >>> This week's highlight I found just over a year ago, and it = quickly >> > >>> became one of my favorites. Netdiscover is a network scanner = that >> > >>> finds all of the IP's in use on the local segment. Because it = uses >> > >>> ARP, it is only able to scan the local ethernet segment, = however, >> > >>> using arp gives it a couple advantages over traditional tools = like >> > >>> nmap. >> > >>> >> > >>> The first advantage is that it can scan for firewalled devices = that >> > >>> don't respond to ping requests. Even if a machine is set to = drop >> > >>> all >> > >>> TCP/IP traffic, it will still respond to basic ARP requests. = This >> > >>> is >> > >>> a requirement of the IPv4 specification to try to prevent IP = address >> > >>> conflicts. For those that want to know a little more about = ARP, >> > >>> Wikipedia has an excellent article here: >> > >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_Resolution_Protocol >> > >>> >> > >>> The second advantage netdiscover has is that it does not need = an >> > >>> address within the subnet it is trying to scan. It can quickly = skip >> > >>> from subnet to subnet, scanning everything in between. This is >> > >>> useful >> > >>> when you are looking for a device with an unknown address. = Take, >> > >>> for >> > >>> example, a wireless access point. Since the AP acts as a = bridge, it >> > >>> doesn't need an IP address on the network to do its job, but = the IP >> > >>> is >> > >>> required to reconfigure the device. Netdiscover is an easy way = to >> > >>> track down the IP of the switch, even if it is outside the = local >> > >>> subnet. >> > >>> >> > >>> Finally, it can show you if any IP address conflicts exist. In = it's >> > >>> output, it provides the MAC address from each response and >> > >>> cross-references it with the OUI list. This gives you a fair = idea >> > >>> of >> > >>> what type of device you are looking for. >> > >>> >> > >>> A final word of note, I have noticed that at full speed, = netdiscover >> > >>> tends to occasionally miss devices, especially on large = networks or >> > >>> networks with wireless segments. When scanning multiple = subnets, i >> > >>> will typically leave the speed at default, but once I am = targeting a >> > >>> specific subnet, I will typically use -s 10 or -s 50 to = increase the >> > >>> wait between requests to 10-50ms (the default is 1ms). >> > >>> For example: "netdiscover -i eth0 -r 192.168.1.0/24 -s 50" >> > >>> >> > >>> -Cooper >> > >>> _______________________________________________ >> > >>> QCLUG mailing list >> > >>> QCLUG@qclug.org >> > >>> http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > From: >> > > Arron James Lorenz >> > > Reel to Reel Drive In >> > > http://www.DavenportDriveIn.com >> > > 563-579-7046 >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > QCLUG mailing list >> > QCLUG@qclug.org >> > http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> From: >> Arron James Lorenz >> Reel to Reel Drive In >> http://www.DavenportDriveIn.com >> 563-579-7046 >> > > > > -- > From: > Arron James Lorenz > Reel to Reel Drive In > http://www.DavenportDriveIn.com > 563-579-7046 > _______________________________________________ QCLUG mailing list QCLUG@qclug.org http://qclug.org/mailman/listinfo/qclug ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://qclug.org/pipermail/qclug/attachments/4974764a/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment-- From Robert@RM-Jones.com Tue Nov 25 22:04:43 2008 From: Robert@RM-Jones.com (Robert Jones) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:04:43 -0600 Subject: [QCLUG] Permanent meeting location change In-Reply-To: <997c8c1b0811251142tf8d5a18ycdd79975c900014f@mail.gmail.com> References: <997c8c1b0811251142tf8d5a18ycdd79975c900014f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <492C767B.3040204@RM-Jones.com> The Bettendorf Library for a permanent location would work for me. Or any location other than a public place like where we currently meet. I have a hard time hearing what's going on with all the noise and surely can't see what's at the other tables. I learn by listening and seeing more than by reading and in a public place with a lot of tables I miss a lot that would be helpful. Bob Jones Jim Hall wrote: > This not about the December meeting. Whatever the majority of the > group decides is fine with me. > > This is about a possible permanent change of location. I believe > someone got no joy at the local libraries, so I did some checking of > my own. The Mac group (QCMUG) meets at the Bettendorf Library on the > 3rd Tuesday of the month, so I called the Library. We can meet on the > 2nd Tuesday on the same terms, if we want to. > Same room reserved every month (except for very occasional library > needs, they will try to get us a substitute).. > Must reserve for at least 6 months at a time, and do it as early as > they will accept. > Screen (no projector - supply our own). > 6:30-8:30 PM. > $5.00 per meeting. (I'm sure we'll need a "tip jar"). This WILL be > paid in advance. > Coffee Shop by main entrance. > > > We can start as early as the January or February meeting. If we want > to rotate among CIPA, Augie, and the Library that can be worked out. > BUT, this will require long range planning and scheduling. Doesn't > matter if we BS or have an actual program. LAST MINUTE TIME WILL BE > OVER! DONE! > > So, combine all that has been said so far and tell me what to tell the > Library. > > Just for the record, I like the rotation model. > > > Jim